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Bird4um said:
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opinions?
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China does not have the fastest gpu’s, AI chips or quantum chips. Whatever they have was from attaining older chips and copying. But the fact that they can run on these less advanced older chips at a much cheaper rate brings into question if some of these expensive, newer chips are needed. I think the faster, newer chips are needed, but can China catch up to where NVDA is with its state of the art products.
 
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Cribby said:
Crypto is dropping today
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Was a red button week for sure. Look for price to stabilize in Feb. Don't play too much BS and stick with BTC, SOL, and maybe a small meme bag or 2.

Sell in late March/April.

That's assuming BTC doesn't lose 80-90k (I don't think it well, but who knows).
 
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Meta and Msft tomorrow after close.

Durable goods orders down
Consumer confidence down

If you go on DeepSeek AI and ask about Tiananmen Square, it has no information, which means it’s totally controlled by the Chinese government.
 
mr.h said:
Meta and Msft tomorrow after close.

Durable goods orders down
Consumer confidence down

If you go on DeepSeek AI and ask about Tiananmen Square, it has no information, which means it’s totally controlled by the Chinese government.
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I have even less concern about Deepseek than I do about AI in general.
 
mr.h said:
How do we stop the Chinese from copying and stealing everything we have?
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For one thing, they duplicate, not innovate. For another, has anyone fully tested this? ChatGPT is as dumb as a box of rocks. It gives bad code all the time, makes up sources for citations, and really isn't up on current events at all. People need to see it for the minor helper it is, not a replacement for a human being in most areas.
 
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JD08 said:
For one thing, they duplicate, not innovate. For another, has anyone fully tested this? ChatGPT is as dumb as a box of rocks. It gives bad code all the time, makes up sources for citations, and really isn't up on current events at all. People need to see it for the minor helper it is, not a replacement for a human being in most areas.
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We are at the point, in AI, where we are developing robotics and automation. Is DeepSeek that advanced? They also cannot match the speed of the advanced technology.
 
Poptimus said:
My stock tip: Royal Caribbean (RCL).

You're welcome.
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mr.h said:
We are at the point, in AI, where we are developing robotics and automation. Is DeepSeek that advanced? They also cannot match the speed of the advanced technology.
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OpenAI uses the latest and greatest chips to teach their engine how to replace humans. It is trying to teach it everything.

China’s DeepSeek took a much different approach. It broke up the teaching into common units much like humans have jobs. It then takes the input and determines the best unit to handle the input. Thus, it is far more efficient and effective than OpenAI. Would you ask a doctor about a legal case or a lawyer about a medical issue?

As for AI and robotics, we are just scratching that surface. AI and computers can think on the level of a mouse. The curve is likely to continue to increase at an accelerating rate. The bigger factor will be human acceptance.

The real AI advances will be very specific and likely assisting humans. A good example is CoPilot and Curser that help developers write and debug software. The more efficient a developer becomes the more software they can write. If we improve the productivity of software programmers by 30%, the GDP increases as software itself makes humans more productive.

We can look at cars with self driving modes but the humans still have to be involved thus no real boost to gdp. We can look at medical fields and I could see less doctors needed as AI can use massive amounts of imaging and data to help find common issues with people. This helps drive the cost of healthcare lower and improves the speed of service including early detection.

As for China, they have some very real constraints. the biggest IMO, they don’t truly understand the technology coming out of the west. They simply implement what they can steal and it is pretty close to the wests version. Why this matters? In AI, it is only going to do what we teach it. If China teaches it something wrong, it will always be wrong.
 
90scane said:
OpenAI uses the latest and greatest chips to teach their engine how to replace humans. It is trying to teach it everything.

China’s DeepSeek took a much different approach. It broke up the teaching into common units much like humans have jobs. It then takes the input and determines the best unit to handle the input. Thus, it is far more efficient and effective than OpenAI. Would you ask a doctor about a legal case or a lawyer about a medical issue?

As for AI and robotics, we are just scratching that surface. AI and computers can think on the level of a mouse. The curve is likely to continue to increase at an accelerating rate. The bigger factor will be human acceptance.

The real AI advances will be very specific and likely assisting humans. A good example is CoPilot and Curser that help developers write and debug software. The more efficient a developer becomes the more software they can write. If we improve the productivity of software programmers by 30%, the GDP increases as software itself makes humans more productive.

We can look at cars with self driving modes but the humans still have to be involved thus no real boost to gdp. We can look at medical fields and I could see less doctors needed as AI can use massive amounts of imaging and data to help find common issues with people. This helps drive the cost of healthcare lower and improves the speed of service including early detection.

As for China, they have some very real constraints. the biggest IMO, they don’t truly understand the technology coming out of the west. They simply implement what they can steal and it is pretty close to the wests version. Why this matters? In AI, it is only going to do what we teach it. If China teaches it something wrong, it will always be wrong.
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You are correct. AI is restricted by the data it has collected and has been exposed to. That is why DeepSeek couldn’t answer certain questions about China.
 
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