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Stars or Evals?

Canemang said:
That’s still both…lol

Certain positions - evals
other positions - stars

Thats both mane
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who do you have more confidence in:

the services that do the evaluations that comprise the stars,

or,

the coaches and support staff doing the evaluations

my answer?

it's the services!

UNLESS... you have Lou Saban and staff, Howard Schnellenburger and staff, Jimmy Johnson and staff, Butch Davis and staff, Alonzo Highsmith/Mario Cristobal and staff, Dabo Swinney and staff, Urban Meyers and staff, Kirby Smart and staff or Nick Satan and staff.
 
cway313 said:
Lmao.
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To be fair you did give the answer away in the original post. I'm with you on the position concept because at Tight End we just saw us have a 1st round pick with a 3 star playing under a bum staff in Njoku.

There's no doubt that certain positions is an eval game and that's where I trust this current staff more than any of the previous 100 times over. In this NIL Era where Louisville can get the best RB in the country we may not recruit at the top like Georgia and A&M but if Mario hits on the evals with 3 stars and get's his fair share of Cyrus Mosses we'll be more than good.
 
I remember these same people crying about Andy Jean committing and them talking like he is an after thought, then they were not too ****ed when he decommitted. I said he was on the level with the rest of South FL WRs once i watched his film, when he was a 3 star. Man claimed i was delusional. Now, Bama offered, he gets bumped, now they ready to wrestle a Gator for him.

Same thing with Chris Johnson, Bama offered now i see man saying he would be a good take with Baxter. When I said you get him coach him up and let him burn people.

And I might throw Seymore in there as well. He has great body control and break tackles after the catch and has good speed. Yet everyone wants to push him out cuz he only a 3 star. Watch with your eyes not with their ranking in mind..

Some of you cannot be trusted in recruiting other than to boast about our class rankings. We could get a bum that's maxed out as a high school 5 star and yall will claim it's a great pick up. Some of the 3 stars are maxed out 3 stars that's their ceiling, same thing goes for 4 and 5 stars. They are maxed in high school. Just another guy at the next level like Lingard. Others are barely scratching their potential. The art is finding, which is which.
 
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The lower your program is on the recruiting totem pole, the more important evaluations are. If you can just pick and choose 5 stars, you don’t need evaluations. I mean it always helps to have the ability to identify under the radar guys. It’s just less important if you’re Alabama or Georgia
 
KANE said:
Yea, u gotta give dem credit. Was a great evaluation. He probably won’t ever do jack **** in the pros, but for one season, he kept them on track and delivered the goods. He did something that no other QB in UGA history had done since Buck Belue in 1980. He was playing with a stacked team. They’ve had blue chip QBs on the roster since CMR got there. But no one else was able to get it done. He’s not a Pro QB, he’s a college QB.
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Do you think there’s any team in college that would trade starting QBs with UGA?
 
Evaluation was more important back in 2006. now there is a map to the hidden gems and just about everyone has access to it through the internet. I’m speculating but it seems like with all the recruiting sites etc there are way more scouts than ever before and/or they’ve become much more accurate. Now It’s about getting the guys you want. Finding a player you really covet that happens to be a consensus 3 star, I would assume is much easier to recruit and sign than if the same player has 5 stars next to his name.
 
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Bennett is not a good college QB. He’s an example of having so many elite ranked recruits, they can carry a scrub.

UGA had the fewest yards to gain on Third Down of any team in the SEC last season. Because their running game just plowed over teams.

Yet, they only converted 38% on third down.

Bennett had a QBR of 37 when facing pressure.

Basically, as long as the 4* and 5* players put Bennett in an easily manageable situation that anybody could succeed in, he succeeded.

If Bennett was called upon to do anything, like convert third downs when the other team knows you’re throwing the football, even when third and manageable, he absolutely sucked.

He’s not an example of an eval. He’s an example of what type of machine you can build with enough elite recruits.
 
DTP said:
The lower your program is on the recruiting totem pole, the more important evaluations are. If you can just pick and choose 5 stars, you don’t need evaluations. I mean it always helps to have the ability to identify under the radar guys. It’s just less important if you’re Alabama or Georgia
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Always gonna need evaluations no matter where u are as a program. Bama and UGA are great at evaluating kids too, all 5 and 4 stars aren’t the same
 
cway313 said:
If he were in JUCO or Prep school I'd say yes
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What is an evaluation to you? Let me fill you in on his story. They (UGA) saw him in high school. Everybody pretty much saw him. His numbers were crazy. ****, I coached against him. He was at Pierce, and I was coaching at a rival school. But they didn’t offer him a scholarship…. in spite of his crazy numbers. They told him he would have to walk on if he wanted to play there. He did. Then when they signed Fields, he knew that he wasn’t going to get a chance to play (Fromm, Eason, and Fields). So he left and went to Jones Couny Community College in Mississippi. He was offered a chance to come back because Kirby offered him a scholarship out of JCCC. So yes…. some evaluation took place. Now He got on the field because of attrition (transfers and injuries) but he was evaluated by that staff.
 
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You guys for the most part are correct. Yes the elite teams recruit blue chip 4 and five stars. However, there is a good chunk of those four and five stars that weren’t four or five stars when they were first being evaluated and recruited by those same frontrunner teams. Saban just doesn’t wake up late in the recruiting cycle and start offering kids based on their stars. So while the star system does appear from the outside to be factual that it works; some of these kids weren’t all five stars since they were in 10th grade.
Take for example the defensive tackle last cycle that was from Canada. We were all over him when he was a three star. He gets recruited by Bama and he becomes a high four-star.

The opposite can also be true. Take for example Nay’Quan. He got a Bama offer when he was a freshman and was crystal balled almost immediately to go there. Didn’t pan out that way.

And of course the biggest consideration when it comes to stars is that the star system doesn’t really measure discipline, dedication, commitment, work ethic, heart, patience and all the other intangibles that you can’t see unless you’ve been crew in the kid for the longest and been establishing a relationship with him and his family to see where that’s at.
 
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Why can’t it be both? A staff that can recruit will use their evaluations to target the best players available to them. This not only includes 3 stars, but also 5 stars as well. Good resource management dictates pursuing the best players that are also interested. Robby Washington is a good example of a baller that should be recruited no matter his ranking. The same is also true of Brandon Innis. Both of these prospects have NFL potential. One is a 5 star and the other was a 3 star. I personally don’t see much of a difference between the two in terms of potential. We should be recruiting both.
 
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KANE said:
What is an evaluation to you? Let me fill you in on his story. They (UGA) saw him in high school. Everybody pretty much saw him. His numbers were crazy. ****, I coached against him. He was at Pierce, and I was coaching at a rival school. But they didn’t offer him a scholarship…. in spite of his crazy numbers. They told him he would have to walk on if he wanted to play there. He did. Then when they signed Fields, he knew that he wasn’t going to get a chance to play (Fromm, Eason, and Fields). So he left and went to Jones Couny Community College in Mississippi. He was offered a chance to come back because Kirby offered him a scholarship out of JCCC. So yes…. some evaluation took place. Now He got on the field because of attrition (transfers and injuries) but he was evaluated by that staff.
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I'm aware but the problem with that is it's a freebie. They didn't evaluate him and think he was good enough for a scholarship. They figured he could fill a roster spot and he got lucky. Every program in America has walk-on/practice squad players. If they really had done a great evaluation they would have assessed his talents and decided he needed a scholarship.
 
KANE said:
What is an evaluation to you? Let me fill you in on his story. They (UGA) saw him in high school. Everybody pretty much saw him. His numbers were crazy. ****, I coached against him. He was at Pierce, and I was coaching at a rival school. But they didn’t offer him a scholarship…. in spite of his crazy numbers. They told him he would have to walk on if he wanted to play there. He did. Then when they signed Fields, he knew that he wasn’t going to get a chance to play (Fromm, Eason, and Fields). So he left and went to Jones Couny Community College in Mississippi. He was offered a chance to come back because Kirby offered him a scholarship out of JCCC. So yes…. some evaluation took place. Now He got on the field because of attrition (transfers and injuries) but he was evaluated by that staff.
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he was evaluated by that staff to n ot have a scholarship but to walk on. He is essentally in my opinion still a walk on level...g5 at best qb.
They won a championship despite him not becuase of him.
 
mossmadness said:
Do you think there’s any team in college that would trade starting QBs with UGA?
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Probably not. The kid is small, not fast, and doesn’t have the strongest arm. But he is smart, pretty accurate, and a winner. He more than likely, has no shot of ever playing in the NFL.
 
BostonCanes47 said:
It’s both. If it wasn’t then why would Alonzo highsmith be here?
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It’s about choosing the right 4 and 5 stars, which includes mental makeup, love for football, coachability, etc. That’s the value of an Alonzo Highsmith. Our evaluation outfit will look like a high level NFL personnel dept from a process standpoint.
 
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