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Stars or Evals?

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sstcane said:
You know we’re going to start landing the higher rated kids soon. A lot will start committing July/Aug
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How do we know this. Everyone had been saying we'd get a bunch at the spring game. Then people were thinking Mario was having them hold off. Now with him taking 3 stars it's clear that's not true.

Bama already has 5 blue chips. Notre Dame 13. OSU 10. UGA 8. Clemson 10. Miami 1
 
Canemang said:
That’s still both…lol

Certain positions - evals
other positions - stars

Thats both mane
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Lmao.
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jhtheking said:
It's noticing a trend. We have 1 blue chip while several other top programs already have 8+.
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How many of them have a entirely new staff though? Bro no one here i arguing that we need blue chip players. DL, RB, WR, CBs etc. We have none of those committed except Seymore. They are all on the table for us. I expect us to get minimum 15 blue chip players, probably closer to 17-20. But its not magic or a title u earn in June. Yall are being overly negative and refuse to appreciate context when people provide it. I was one of the first to say we need to get a top 8 class and anything less than top 12 in a failure imo. But I also have a brain to know it's June and also know recruiting sites are not always right and they get technical positions wrong more than anything which is where most of our commits are right now
 
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mossmadness said:
Would you call Bennett a great eval?
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Yea, u gotta give dem credit. Was a great evaluation. He probably won’t ever do jack **** in the pros, but for one season, he kept them on track and delivered the goods. He did something that no other QB in UGA history had done since Buck Belue in 1980. He was playing with a stacked team. They’ve had blue chip QBs on the roster since CMR got there. But no one else was able to get it done. He’s not a Pro QB, he’s a college QB.
 
KANE said:
Yea, u gotta give dem credit. Was a great evaluation. He probably won’t ever do jack **** in the pros, but for one season, he kept them on track and delivered the goods. He did something that no other QB in UGA history had done since Buck Belue in 1980. He was playing with a stacked team. They’ve had blue chip QBs on the roster since CMR got there. But no one else was able to get it done. He’s not a Pro QB, he’s a college QB.
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I don't think walk-ons count as evals.
 
The part that people get twisted, is that the schools largely determine the star ratings. Yes, the websites put them in a numerical order, but Bama is interested in this kid and so are all the elites, there's the ranking. Colleges do the legwork, but that doesn't mean local guys and high school coaches don't let them know who's coming up.
 
jhtheking said:
One of those 3 stars was the number 1 punter in the country. That's just how they evaluate punters. But their blue chip ratio for that class was 73% even with the punter. Everyone here would be very happy with that ratio. Right now our 2023 blue chip ratio is 12.5%.
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Our blue chip ratio in JUNE is irrelevant. Yes, we have 7 3 stars right now. But who are they? Two TEs, both of which have offers from major programs, including one who just started playing football and was heavily pursued by Iowa and ND...two schools with a long, highly regarded track record with TEs.

Two OL, including Tripp who is borderline 4 star. OL is very difficult to evaluate and require time to develop. If Mirabal and Mario want an O-lineman, that should be convincing enough...they are two of the best in the business when it comes to OL, and its not like they scrambled to get these recruits at the end of recruiting season, they really want them.

Emory Williams, a quality QB recruit who is also being looked at by other big programs, and who would help fill the QB room with a project that has lots of upside. He is not being taken in place of a higher rated QB, we are still on Rashada and Moore.

Seymore at WR....has traits the coaches really like, but may get processed out if we pick up a number of the higher rated recruits we are after....who are not committed anywhere so its not like we "missed out" on them.

That leaves Bobby Washington at LB, who is the brother of our 4 star commit, and is raw but has enormous potential in a position where we need a lot of quality bodies.

So I'm just not seeing any basis for hand wringing about our "blue chip ratio" here in June when actually looking at the players we have commited, the ones we are heavily in on recruiting, and it being JUNE.
 
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cway313 said:
I don't think walk-ons count as evals.
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They saw him workout and gave him a shot as a PWO? Is that not an evaluation? Somebody on staff liked enough of what they saw, to even give him a chance. In my mind, that qualifies as an evaluation. Dem sumbitches just got lucky. It happens…. not often, tho.
 
cway313 said:
We see the current trajectory of the class. To alleviate some of the discussion in other threads and get everyone on record. What do you care more about? Personally certain positions I care more about stars. I think OL, TE, and Safety are more about projection and evaluations than stars. I think WR, DE, CB you look for alphas that are 5* talents. I think the overall class benefits from a highly ranked QB. RB is the easiest transition so just grab guys that fit the offense.

Since @Canemang caught me imma star ***** ****allat. Gimme the blue chips.
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These are not mutually exclusive things. However, I get what you are getting at with what you are saying. Would I blindly say "X 5 star is who we need" or trust the staff that really likes a high 3/low 4 star? I would trust this staff for sure.

In fact, I would argue, that there is usually (notice the word I used, I did not say always) a big correlation between higher stars and better evals. I would argue that the better evals or "hidden gems" that are not higher star ratings are because they are usually playing lesser competition or not doing enough camps to get their name out there. Or they get the star bump they deserve after participating in camps.
 
dk72 said:
Our blue chip ratio in JUNE is irrelevant. Yes, we have 7 3 stars right now. But who are they? Two TEs, both of which have offers from major programs, including one who just started playing football and was heavily pursued by Iowa and ND...two schools with a long, highly regarded track record with TEs.

Two OL, including Tripp who is borderline 4 star. OL is very difficult to evaluate and require time to develop. If Mirabal and Mario want an O-lineman, that should be convincing enough...they are two of the best in the business when it comes to OL, and its not like they scrambled to get these recruits at the end of recruiting season, they really want them.

Emory Williams, a quality QB recruit who is also being looked at by other big programs, and who would help fill the QB room with a project that has lots of upside. He is not being taken in place of a higher rated QB, we are still on Rashada and Moore.

Seymore at WR....has traits the coaches really like, but may get processed out if we pick up a number of the higher rated recruits we are after....who are not committed anywhere so its not like we "missed out" on them.

That leaves Bobby Washington at LB, who is the brother of our 4 star commit, and is raw but has enormous potential in a position where we need a lot of quality bodies.

So I'm just not seeing any basis for hand wringing about our "blue chip ratio" here in June when actually looking at the players we have commited, the ones we are heavily in on recruiting, and it being JUNE.
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I agree with your post but its a trend that i hope doesn't continue. as we all know the hit ratio on "diamonds in the rough" is not that great.
 
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RealRussellPumps said:
Stars absolutely matter, anyone saying otherwise is just flat out incorrect. Sure there are outliers where someone out performs their stars but the fact is that 5 stars hit at a significantly higher rate than other star rated players. Does that mean all 5 stars turn out to be good? Of course not, but you should try to bring in as many 5 stars as possible to increase the odds as much as possible. There is a reason that we took a 3 star QB and said hey kid, we'd love to have you but just know we're also going to pushing for another 5 star at your position.
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I agree with you. I would say though that this is an overall dumb argument these kids don't just randomly get their names chosen out of a hat that says "here are the 5 stars for this cycle." They get their star ratings from people evaluating them lol.

The argument then becomes are their evaluations any good? I would argue they are good enough and getting better but definitely not perfect. The coach's job is to evaluate the kids themselves to see if they are a good fit for what you and your team are trying to achieve. In Miami and Mario's case that just happens to be getting the best talent available which translates to better evals which translates more times than not to higher 4/5 star players.
 
KANE said:
They saw him workout and gave him a shot as a PWO? Is that not an evaluation? Somebody on staff liked enough of what they saw, to even give him a chance. In my mind, that qualifies as an evaluation. Dem sumbitches just got lucky. It happens…. not often, tho.
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If he were in JUCO or Prep school I'd say yes.
 
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the "hidden Gems" are getting increasingly harder and harder to find. Zion might qualify as a " hidden Gem "
the main factors are camps and the preponderance of film on players. I have nephew who played in Louisvile
and was honorable mention all state in KY. he received some interest from very small schools and they asked for tape.
so if a guy like my nephew has a tape......everyone has a tape. Ed Reed was a 2* today he would be a 5* have to have type of player with over 200 + offers.bottom line talent acquisition is key to success.......
Kirby Smart UGA HC said after beating Gators you can not out coach talent
 
around 50% of 5 stars are drafted. 2nd round average draft placement.

around 23% of 4 stars drafted. 3rd round average draft placement.

around 5% of 3 stars drafted. 4th round average draft placement.

25% of the 2022 NFL 1st round draft picks were 5 star recruits. 5 stars make up less than 1% of every incoming recruiting class. 62.5% of the 2022 NFL 1st round draft picks we blue chip recruits.
 
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