Stacy Coley Question

[rudebuddha]

fair enough. i do believe miami's receivers vs. uf's db's will ultimately decide the game. i can't see uf winning if they allow the canes to put points on the boards, we just don't have that kind of firepower.

You guys have 4 top flight cb's with elite cover skills? Where were they in your Bowl Game?
I'm looking forward to Purifoy at wide receiver catching a flanker screen, turning upfield and being greeted full speed by Denzel.
After that play you will be down a wr and a cb.

How could gator fans be optimistic.
Your qb just had a surgery to remove an internal organ. I'm not a doctor, but I do know they have to cut through the abdominal muscles, and that seems like it would severely weaken your core. Driskell wasn't good last year at all. He was average at best. Now he's going to be missing weeks of practice when every rep for him is vital.
Your top rb is on the shelf. You think he will just take some of the ****tail and be game ready with very limited reps and conditioning?
You don't know if you will have a healthy o line much less a 2 deep. Not a lot of gelling going on there.
Your wr's are so talented you have to bring over a cb who might start over guys who are that obscure.
You lost a ton of guys on d and have untested replacements, like both safeties, starting, or guys on the line less than a year from acl surgery like Powell. We know that never works out the way we dream it will, as anyone who recovered from serious knee injury will tell you.

So, how can you, as a gator, feel good about playing us early?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Georgia will be the best offense UF faces this year.

Aaron Murray blows

 

[killa1storm]

fair enough. i do believe miami's receivers vs. uf's db's will ultimately decide the game. i can't see uf winning if they allow the canes to put points on the boards, we just don't have that kind of firepower.

You guys have 4 top flight cb's with elite cover skills? Where were they in your Bowl Game?
I'm looking forward to Purifoy at wide receiver catching a flanker screen, turning upfield and being greeted full speed by Denzel.
After that play you will be down a wr and a cb.

How could gator fans be optimistic.
Your qb just had a surgery to remove an internal organ. I'm not a doctor, but I do know they have to cut through the abdominal muscles, and that seems like it would severely weaken your core. Driskell wasn't good last year at all. He was average at best. Now he's going to be missing weeks of practice when every rep for him is vital.
Your top rb is on the shelf. You think he will just take some of the ****tail and be game ready with very limited reps and conditioning?
You don't know if you will have a healthy o line much less a 2 deep. Not a lot of gelling going on there.
Your wr's are so talented you have to bring over a cb who might start over guys who are that obscure.
You lost a ton of guys on d and have untested replacements, like both safeties, starting, or guys on the line less than a year from acl surgery like Powell. We know that never works out the way we dream it will, as anyone who recovered from serious knee injury will tell you.

So, how can you, as a gator, feel good about playing us early?

well i guess its a good thing the bowl is the only game they played last season lol.

 

[ibs794]

Florida has some outstanding corners, possibly two future first rounders + a more than solid Watkins and Hargreaves. If Miami has trouble getting separation for a few quarters a can definitely see Miami throwing out Coley to see what he can do. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Hey Miami, what are your thoughts on going up against highly touted cornerbacks who are expected to go early in the following year's draft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtOyUa5h38I

i get it, but the UF defense as a whole crushes whatever NCST has fielded on defense the last 10 or so years.

Starts with the DL.

 

[Picksix]

Florida has some outstanding corners, possibly two future first rounders + a more than solid Watkins and Hargreaves. If Miami has trouble getting separation for a few quarters a can definitely see Miami throwing out Coley to see what he can do. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Hey Miami, what are your thoughts on going up against highly touted cornerbacks who are expected to go early in the following year's draft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtOyUa5h38I

Amerson would be the 3rd maybe 4th best corner at Florida (They're that good). He was burned to **** by quicker receivers in the Tennessee game too; and not just the studs, he had white kids beating him on go routes.

I have a lot of confidence in our receivers but that might be the best corner group in the nation, it's going to be a battle. I'm just saying I can see Coley really get a shot if Florida starts to win that battle.

The last time they saw a combination of QB/WR's like ours...they got shredded like old files

i don't put too much on bowl games, the season serves as a bigger sample size. did you see what they did to A&M or UGA or Tennessee? all had better offenses and passing games than miami. fsu had a better offense as well and uf had no problems confusing manuel and frustrating him. we faced some very good offenses and passing games last year and the corners held it down, #2 in the nation in passing efficiency.

that said, i do believe miami will have the best passing game we will face this upcoming season. and i do believe if miami scores 24-27 they win, its my biggest concern for this upcoming game besides our lousy qb.

I watched the A&M, UGA, and UT game. They may have had better passing offenses last year than Miami but that was last year. You seem to forget that UF defense that was so good last year lost a ton of talent. I'm so glad Elam and Floyd won't be playing against us on Sept. 7th. They were the best defensive players you guys had. You don't replace them by game #2. Where's Bostic and McCray? No longer on that tough defense as well? Your best LB's gone and the replacement at MLB "Morrison" will be suspended for the Miami game? Not good...

Teams are reborn every year. That Miami offense was just beginning to scratch the surface of how good they could be. Morris didn't throw an INT in his last 4 games and was starting to light defenses up. Everybody returns a year older, bigger, and smarter. Miami's defense was abysmal last season because they were the youngest defense in CFB. Even you admit you're not sold on your QB who just so happens to be out recovering for surgery missing reps. The UF offense lived and died behind the running game of Gillislee. Jones was the backup who UF would be riding this year and he's out right now with super aids? The UF o-line was so depleted you guys couldn't even hold a spring game and now one of your best most veteran OG's tore his pec? Not good...

I'm not saying beating UF will be a walk in the park by any means but I most certainly like our chances right now. If Miami's defense is as good as I think they can be it could get Louisville bowl game ugly for you guys.

 

[rudebuddha]

Hey Miami, what are your thoughts on going up against highly touted cornerbacks who are expected to go early in the following year's draft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtOyUa5h38I

Amerson would be the 3rd maybe 4th best corner at Florida (They're that good). He was burned to **** by quicker receivers in the Tennessee game too; and not just the studs, he had white kids beating him on go routes.

I have a lot of confidence in our receivers but that might be the best corner group in the nation, it's going to be a battle. I'm just saying I can see Coley really get a shot if Florida starts to win that battle.

The last time they saw a combination of QB/WR's like ours...they got shredded like old files

i don't put too much on bowl games, the season serves as a bigger sample size. did you see what they did to A&M or UGA or Tennessee? all had better offenses and passing games than miami. fsu had a better offense as well and uf had no problems confusing manuel and frustrating him. we faced some very good offenses and passing games last year and the corners held it down, #2 in the nation in passing efficiency.

that said, i do believe miami will have the best passing game we will face this upcoming season. and i do believe if miami scores 24-27 they win, its my biggest concern for this upcoming game besides our lousy qb.

I watched the A&M, UGA, and UT game. They may have had better passing offenses last year than Miami but that was last year. You seem to forget that UF defense that was so good last year lost a ton of talent. I'm so glad Elam and Floyd won't be playing against us on Sept. 7th. They were the best defensive players you guys had. You don't replace them by game #2. Where's Bostic and McCray? No longer on that tough defense as well? Your best LB's gone and the replacement at MLB "Morrison" will be suspended for the Miami game? Not good...

Teams are reborn every year. That Miami offense was just beginning to scratch the surface of how good they could be. Morris didn't throw an INT in his last 4 games and was starting to light defenses up. Everybody returns a year older, bigger, and smarter. Miami's defense was abysmal last season because they were the youngest defense in CFB. Even you admit you're not sold on your QB who just so happens to be out recovering for surgery missing reps. The UF offense lived and died behind the running game of Gillislee. Jones was the backup who UF would be riding this year and he's out right now with super aids? The UF o-line was so depleted you guys couldn't even hold a spring game and now one of your best most veteran OG's tore his pec? Not good...

I'm not saying beating UF will be a walk in the park by any means but I most certainly like our chances right now. If Miami's defense is as good as I think they can be it could get Louisville bowl game ugly for you guys.

Miami 56 Florida 17.

Book it. Won't even be close.

 

[Jassid82]

Jesus Christ how old are some of you guys? 21? Get out of the time machine, this aint 2002. We are not blowing out UF and we will be lucky to walk out of there with a W. Just like they would. A few rebuttals..

1) I dont know where all this Aaron Murray hype is coming from but you stick that guy on TENN last year and lets see how good he is. He will have a target on his back AND they play Clemson and South Carolina first two games out. We will revisit this topic at that time. I am not a fan.

2) You might be able to count out ALOT of things in that UF game but dont ever count out a Will Muschamp Defense. I dont care who wont be playing those guys will be ready for war. Thats what scares me. Yes there offense isnt great BUT there D causes ALOT of turnovers. Thats another thing that scares me. Lets remember how we fared last year when "put to the test" against top quality teams. (KSU, ND, FSU) Lets just agree that it will be a great game. I will be there.

3) Back on topic, if Coley makes play whenever he gets opportunities he will take Lewis's minutes. Maybe Waters too. You cant leave talent like that on the bench just because there are veterans ahead of them. Its like when Butch was stubborn as all **** and wouldnt play Edgerrin James ahead of Dyral McMillan and everybody knew EJ was 10x better. Whenever he came into the game its was curtains! If Coley balls out, he will steal somebodys shine. Thats how Al is built. No favorites.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Hype?

3,893 Yards, 36 Touchdowns and 10 Interceptions against the best defenses in the country. That's not hype. Murray is receiving praise that he earned by his outstanding play.

 

[terdferguson]

Watkins: 82 receptions, 1219 yards, 12 tds
Miami all time single season receiving records: 72 receptions, 1156 yards, 13 tds

You're asking if Stacy Coley, a true freshman, will have the best receiving season of any wide receiver in Miami history. The answer is no.

Watkins had probably the best freshman receiving season of all time. It was an anomaly. Just hope that a guy like Coley can grasp the offense and make a positive contribution here and there. Getting meaningful playing time with all those experienced wide receivers in from of him will be an accomplishment in itself.

 

[rok]

1) I dont know where all this Aaron Murray hype is coming from but you stick that guy on TENN last year and lets see how good he is. He will have a target on his back AND they play Clemson and South Carolina first two games out. We will revisit this topic at that time. I am not a fan.

UT did have two WRs selected in the first 34 picks of the draft. Just saying.

 

[rok]

The receivers in front of Coley are experienced but they've never been consistent. Hurns is often injured, Dorsett disappears for stretches, Scott drops the ball and gets in trouble, Lewis is coming off a serious injury, Waters has flashed promise but isn't proven yet. Carter and Jones are unknowns. The opportunity is there for Coley to emerge as a #1 guy which is something we need.

 

[Cans4life]

The receivers in front of Coley are experienced but they've never been consistent. Hurns is often injured, Dorsett disappears for stretches, Scott drops the ball and gets in trouble, Lewis is coming off a serious injury, Waters has flashed promise but isn't proven yet. Carter and Jones are unknowns. The opportunity is there for Coley to emerge as a #1 guy which is something we need.

I tend to agree. The thing is he's so much more naturally talented than anyone on the roster that, if he picks up the playbook you almost have to play him. He's got Dorsett's speed, Scotts height, Hurns' hands and smoothness. The guy is a monster and I'd be surprised if we didn't see him make some sort of impact this season, although I don't think he will put up Sammy Watkins numbers because we spread the ball around so much and have the best running back in the nation.

 

[dg151]

1) I dont know where all this Aaron Murray hype is coming from but you stick that guy on TENN last year and lets see how good he is. He will have a target on his back AND they play Clemson and South Carolina first two games out. We will revisit this topic at that time. I am not a fan.

UT did have two WRs selected in the first 34 picks of the draft. Just saying.

And also a really good receiving TE and good slot receiver. With a very solid pass blocking OL. Murray woulda rained fire on Tenn last season.

Murray is prone to mistakes but he's a really good college player and the leader of what's going to be one of the best offenses in the country this season.

 

[Picksix]

Jesus Christ how old are some of you guys? 21? Get out of the time machine, this aint 2002. We are not blowing out UF and we will be lucky to walk out of there with a W. Just like they would. A few rebuttals..

2) You might be able to count out ALOT of things in that UF game but dont ever count out a Will Muschamp Defense. I dont care who wont be playing those guys will be ready for war. Thats what scares me. Yes there offense isnt great BUT there D causes ALOT of turnovers. Thats another thing that scares me. Lets remember how we fared last year when "put to the test" against top quality teams. (KSU, ND, FSU) Lets just agree that it will be a great game. I will be there.

I don't care if Saban was running the UF defense this year there's no way in **** you lose that much talent and just keep rolling right along with no hiccups. Elam was a GD monster last year and nobody on that roster is going to easily replace his production. He was everywhere on that field last year making plays constantly. Same goes for Floyd, Bostic, and McCray. Like I said, Morrison is supposed to be the future at MLB and he's out for the Miami game. MLB is the captain of the defense and missing your best LB from an already questionable group doesn't help. Do I think the UF defense can be good? Sure but they're not going to be 2012 good. When Muschamp took over he did some house cleaning and they lost a bunch off that devastating D. Let's also not forget that UF was exposed by Lousiville and finished the season in really bad form.

Also, against good teams last year (KSU, ND, FSU) Miami's offense didn't get many shots at scoring points because the defense never got off the field. Kind of hard to attack or wear down an opponents defense when you don't have the ball. I fully expect the Miami defense to make more stops and have more takeaways allowing the offense to more effectively impose their will on defenses.

UM Vs. KSU Time of Possession 22:44 to 37:16
UM Vs. ND Time of Possession 20:52 to 39:08
UM Vs. FSU Time of Possession 25:26 to 34:34

The UF offense should be better but everyday that Driskel, Jones, and Halapio miss reps is not helping their cause. Driskel was mediocre at best in the passing game. Like I said, UF rode Gillislee hard last season and as he went so went the Gator offense. The O-line look to be the weakest link and losing your best Guard to a torn pec doesn't make things better. Time is ticking and every day these guys are gone is an advantage for our defense.

 

[UCaneDoIt]

Not comparing Cooper and Coley but if Amari Cooper can have that kind of impact on the National Champs as a true Fr. Certainly Coley will get run on a team coming off a 7-5 season if he earns it.

 

[ibs794]

Jesus Christ how old are some of you guys? 21? Get out of the time machine, this aint 2002. We are not blowing out UF and we will be lucky to walk out of there with a W. Just like they would. A few rebuttals..

2) You might be able to count out ALOT of things in that UF game but dont ever count out a Will Muschamp Defense. I dont care who wont be playing those guys will be ready for war. Thats what scares me. Yes there offense isnt great BUT there D causes ALOT of turnovers. Thats another thing that scares me. Lets remember how we fared last year when "put to the test" against top quality teams. (KSU, ND, FSU) Lets just agree that it will be a great game. I will be there.

I don't care if Saban was running the UF defense this year there's no way in **** you lose that much talent and just keep rolling right along with no hiccups. Elam was a GD monster last year and nobody on that roster is going to easily replace his production. He was everywhere on that field last year making plays constantly. Same goes for Floyd, Bostic, and McCray. Like I said, Morrison is supposed to be the future at MLB and he's out for the Miami game. MLB is the captain of the defense and missing your best LB from an already questionable group doesn't help. Do I think the UF defense can be good? Sure but they're not going to be 2012 good. When Muschamp took over he did some house cleaning and they lost a bunch off that devastating D. Let's also not forget that UF was exposed by Lousiville and finished the season in really bad form.

Also, against good teams last year (KSU, ND, FSU) Miami's offense didn't get many shots at scoring points because the defense never got off the field. Kind of hard to attack or wear down an opponents defense when you don't have the ball. I fully expect the Miami defense to make more stops and have more takeaways allowing the offense to more effectively impose their will on defenses.

UM Vs. KSU Time of Possession 22:44 to 37:16
UM Vs. ND Time of Possession 20:52 to 39:08
UM Vs. FSU Time of Possession 25:26 to 34:34

The UF offense should be better but everyday that Driskel, Jones, and Halapio miss reps is not helping their cause. Driskel was mediocre at best in the passing game. Like I said, UF rode Gillislee hard last season and as he went so went the Gator offense. The O-line look to be the weakest link and losing your best Guard to a torn pec doesn't make things better. Time is ticking and every day these guys are gone is an advantage for our defense.

Lot of Gators are saying that their DL could be better this year.

 

[Picksix]

Jesus Christ how old are some of you guys? 21? Get out of the time machine, this aint 2002. We are not blowing out UF and we will be lucky to walk out of there with a W. Just like they would. A few rebuttals..

2) You might be able to count out ALOT of things in that UF game but dont ever count out a Will Muschamp Defense. I dont care who wont be playing those guys will be ready for war. Thats what scares me. Yes there offense isnt great BUT there D causes ALOT of turnovers. Thats another thing that scares me. Lets remember how we fared last year when "put to the test" against top quality teams. (KSU, ND, FSU) Lets just agree that it will be a great game. I will be there.

I don't care if Saban was running the UF defense this year there's no way in **** you lose that much talent and just keep rolling right along with no hiccups. Elam was a GD monster last year and nobody on that roster is going to easily replace his production. He was everywhere on that field last year making plays constantly. Same goes for Floyd, Bostic, and McCray. Like I said, Morrison is supposed to be the future at MLB and he's out for the Miami game. MLB is the captain of the defense and missing your best LB from an already questionable group doesn't help. Do I think the UF defense can be good? Sure but they're not going to be 2012 good. When Muschamp took over he did some house cleaning and they lost a bunch off that devastating D. Let's also not forget that UF was exposed by Lousiville and finished the season in really bad form.

Also, against good teams last year (KSU, ND, FSU) Miami's offense didn't get many shots at scoring points because the defense never got off the field. Kind of hard to attack or wear down an opponents defense when you don't have the ball. I fully expect the Miami defense to make more stops and have more takeaways allowing the offense to more effectively impose their will on defenses.

UM Vs. KSU Time of Possession 22:44 to 37:16
UM Vs. ND Time of Possession 20:52 to 39:08
UM Vs. FSU Time of Possession 25:26 to 34:34

The UF offense should be better but everyday that Driskel, Jones, and Halapio miss reps is not helping their cause. Driskel was mediocre at best in the passing game. Like I said, UF rode Gillislee hard last season and as he went so went the Gator offense. The O-line look to be the weakest link and losing your best Guard to a torn pec doesn't make things better. Time is ticking and every day these guys are gone is an advantage for our defense.

Lot of Gators are saying that their DL could be better this year.

Yeah and what are they saying about the LB's and Secondary? The D-line may be better this year but we'll see.

 

[rok]

The receivers in front of Coley are experienced but they've never been consistent. Hurns is often injured, Dorsett disappears for stretches, Scott drops the ball and gets in trouble, Lewis is coming off a serious injury, Waters has flashed promise but isn't proven yet. Carter and Jones are unknowns. The opportunity is there for Coley to emerge as a #1 guy which is something we need.

I tend to agree. The thing is he's so much more naturally talented than anyone on the roster that, if he picks up the playbook you almost have to play him. He's got Dorsett's speed, Scotts height, Hurns' hands and smoothness. The guy is a monster and I'd be surprised if we didn't see him make some sort of impact this season, although I don't think he will put up Sammy Watkins numbers because we spread the ball around so much and have the best running back in the nation.

Hurns, Dorsett and Scott have had two years under this staff to separate themselves. Dorsett has 5 career TDs. He's no Santana Moss. Hurns is pretty sneaky, just needs to stay healthy. Scott is Stone Hands from Necessary Roughness. We all love this WR corps but they have a lot to prove and none of these guys stands out. Like you said, Coley seems to have everything necessary to be impactful on 8/30. We could really use a guy who does everything well. If Wayne and Moss could do it as true freshmen then so can this guy, I think.

 

[terdferguson]

Hurns, Dorsett, Scott, Waters, Lewis, they're all flawed in some way or another. Why? Because we've seen them play at this level. We know they're flaws. We haven't with Coley so people see him as having no flaws. He could have terrible hands. He could be a bad route runner. He could be a dumbass that can't learn the offense. Who knows. I agree that the guys in front of him aren't world beaters. I laugh when people say that we have the best wrs in the country. GTFOH. But because of experience, years of training at this level, and years of working out at this level, those guys are going to be ahead of Coley, even if he has more natural talent. He'll play and probably make some plays for us, but history and common sense suggests that he won't put up huge numbers. My prediction: 20-30 catches, 300-400 yards.

 

[LuCane]

Hurns, Dorsett, Scott, Waters, Lewis, they're all flawed in some way or another. Why? Because we've seen them play at this level. We know they're flaws. We haven't with Coley so people see him as having no flaws. He could have terrible hands. He could be a bad route runner. He could be a dumbass that can't learn the offense. Who knows. I agree that the guys in front of him aren't world beaters. I laugh when people say that we have the best wrs in the country. GTFOH. But because of experience, years of training at this level, and years of working out at this level, those guys are going to be ahead of Coley, even if he has more natural talent. He'll play and probably make some plays for us, but history and common sense suggests that he won't put up huge numbers. My prediction: 20-30 catches, 300-400 yards.

I agree with the general point of your post, but:

- He doesn't have terrible hands. All evidence points to having exceptional hands.
- He's not a bad route runner. Everything I've seen points to having a very high ceiling (the highest?) when it comes to getting in and out of his routes.
- I don't know if he's too much of a dumbass to learn the offense, but I know if I were coaching him, there'd be 4 routes for him to focus on: dig (intermediate and short), 9-route, fade and post.

He'll give our offense a totally different element because he can do a few things that others simply cannot.