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[canesupremacy]

The kid was running for his life almost every snap - and I dont mean on the deep routes --- even in the shotgun he didnt have time

Our OL was more than fine in the passing game last yr. morris developed a nervous twitch. He had plenty of time

 

[MIA42178]

How does it make sense to have two tail backs on the field at the same time let alone stick him in the slot when you have tons of talent at wide out. I'm calling BS

Exactly!!! We supposedly have a deep wideout core... We don't need Yearby in the slot... That complicates things...

Unless opposing team is not in nickel bc our RB is in. Then put him in slot against a lb. Like spence covering spiller. I think coop was used like this too.

 

[demcanes26]

How does it make sense to have two tail backs on the field at the same time let alone stick him in the slot when you have tons of talent at wide out. I'm calling BS

Exactly!!! We supposedly have a deep wideout core... We don't need Yearby in the slot... That complicates things...

It doesn't complicated things at all. Most GOOD teams put the most talent on the field, at the same time. For example, FSU did this with Freeman and Williams.

You can have Duke and Joe in the backfield at the same time. Have one of them motion to the slot to see if it's man or zone, and have the other stay in the backfield.

You can do all of this while have Coley, Waters and Dorsett in the game as wideout.

 

[niner]

Our schedule was tough as **** in 2012. Don't forget that ****. We played ND and K St OOC on the road. Our schedule was pansy last season.

It's amazing that people want to use the excuse that Morris only did well, because he lit up some scrubs in the second half of the season, but when the alternative is proposed that nearly our entire season was that soft schedule last year, noone will acknowledge it.

No need to guestimate which schedule was tougher, there is an actual stat that tells you. They were pretty much the same.

SOS
2012: 42nd
2013: 44th

Lets not forget in that 2013 SOS is a bowl game which adds an extra game in which we played a ranked team which boosts that SOS. We played 3 ranked teams, 1 of which finished the season with 4 wins. The other 2 we played curb stomped us. If we take away the bowl game since we didn't have one in 2012, it leaves us with FSU and UF. We played 3 ranked teams in 2012 during the regular season, all of which were still ranked at season's end and the worst one K St still finished 12th (higher) than our second best opponent (Louisville) from this year.

No need to use your personal algorithm, let the pros take care of that. SOS was 46th before the bowl game.

 

[The Franchise]

Oh yeah and 3 different OC in 4 years doesn't help either but that's not relevant now is it? I'm certain Morris would have went up another notch if he had Fisch back again. It's ok to give No D unlimited leeway and years to field a average defense but the QB on his third OC should light it up under a rookie play caller who shares none of the blame. U better pray am wrong. The difference between Fisch and Coley. Fisch built the outlet passes into the offense and not just a after thought just in case u remember and he was decent at setting up plays. I haven't seen that ability from Coley. He reminded me of Whipple.

Who the **** gives the defense any leeway? Just talking to talk.

Morris wasn't good in 2012 or 2013 and the legend of Jedd Fisch is a ridiculous one. How about Jedd Fisch builds this into offense? You're down 16-10 to heavily favored FSU in 2012. You've got the ball in the redzone. Don't put in Robert Lockhart, a freshman who had been injured the entire year and have Morris throw a fade to him. Morris threw it out of bounds by the way. I went and just watched the play again and even the great and powerful Jedd Fisch couldn't get Morris to drop the ball off to Mike James who leaked out to the right and was open for a first down. Same guy he always was.

The same ones criticizing Morris as the sole reason for our offensive ineptitude are the same ones supporting No D. It's one in the same

That's what guys resort to when they can't support their position. I sure as **** don't support our post defensive performance in any way. But that had nothing to do with Morris being very limited and fish not being this ultra productive super genius OC.

Compare Fish's numbers to Coley's. Why don't you just take the straight forward approach of comparing their results. Do the numbers not support the drum you're beating?

 

[dk72]

Morris really hindered this offense last year, he rarely ever looked at the underneath routes

Absolutely. There were countless times where he locked onto the deep receiver while ignoring wide open underneath routes. Then he'd try to force the throws to the shorter routes, after the coverage caught up, when he was about to be hit.

 

[supacane]

Oh yeah and 3 different OC in 4 years doesn't help either but that's not relevant now is it? I'm certain Morris would have went up another notch if he had Fisch back again. It's ok to give No D unlimited leeway and years to field a average defense but the QB on his third OC should light it up under a rookie play caller who shares none of the blame. U better pray am wrong. The difference between Fisch and Coley. Fisch built the outlet passes into the offense and not just a after thought just in case u remember and he was decent at setting up plays. I haven't seen that ability from Coley. He reminded me of Whipple.

Who the **** gives the defense any leeway? Just talking to talk.

Morris wasn't good in 2012 or 2013 and the legend of Jedd Fisch is a ridiculous one. How about Jedd Fisch builds this into offense? You're down 16-10 to heavily favored FSU in 2012. You've got the ball in the redzone. Don't put in Robert Lockhart, a freshman who had been injured the entire year and have Morris throw a fade to him. Morris threw it out of bounds by the way. I went and just watched the play again and even the great and powerful Jedd Fisch couldn't get Morris to drop the ball off to Mike James who leaked out to the right and was open for a first down. Same guy he always was.

The same ones criticizing Morris as the sole reason for our offensive ineptitude are the same ones supporting No D. It's one in the same

That's what guys resort to when they can't support their position. I sure as **** don't support our post defensive performance in any way. But that had nothing to do with Morris being very limited and fish not being this ultra productive super genius OC.

Compare Fish's numbers to Coley's. Why don't you just take the straight forward approach of comparing their results. Do the numbers not support the drum you're beating?

It's been compared over and over. Our schedule was crap last season. We played a bunch of cupcakes OOC with a more experienced team. Morris had more yards TDs and less picks under Fisch despite playing ND and K St on the road with a offense with a bunch of FR. And I stand by what I said. Excuses excuses. For No D and Coley. It's all Randy player's fault. Thank goodness they are gone. U may need to start cooking up some new excuses before UL

 

[dk72]

It's amazing how people blame everything on players. Morris threw a lot of slants under Fisch. I remember one against K St that Walford took way down. Then there was another against ND on that first drive....A bunch actually. So dude plays all ACC under Fisch. We are all excited. We bring in a rookie play caller and it's all the QB's fault? Morris was not great by any means but Coley has a lot to improve on play calling. Some of you are so blinded it ridiculous.

Yes, Coley's play calling does need to improve. But there is no denying that Morris did a TERRIBLE job last year in making decisions. He would wait and wait hoping for the long bomb to open up, then desperately force it short when he runs out of time. He would ignore a wide open running back 4 yards downfield that had enough space behind him to get at least 8-10 yards, and then try to force a pass in to a covered WR on the sideline that was only 8-10 yards downfield anyway. It happened over and over and over again.

 

[dk72]

It's amazing how people blame everything on players. Morris threw a lot of slants under Fisch. I remember one against K St that Walford took way down. Then there was another against ND on that first drive....A bunch actually. So dude plays all ACC under Fisch. We are all excited. We bring in a rookie play caller and it's all the QB's fault? Morris was not great by any means but Coley has a lot to improve on play calling. Some of you are so blinded it ridiculous.

This. There is a reason some people liked Fisch. He called plays that generally put his players in a position to succeed. He put faith in the players to make the plays. Yes he called some trick plays or tried to throw occasional passes on 3rd and short, but it wasn't like our offense suffered and sometimes you have to take a chance to do something different.

As far as Morris not taking the underneath stuff, its difficult when most of the time all of your receivers are running fly routes or something more than 15 yards deep.

Go back and rewatch the games. There were MANY times where underneath routes, by WR and RBs were completely wide open, and completely ignored, by Morris.

 

[supacane]

It's amazing how people blame everything on players. Morris threw a lot of slants under Fisch. I remember one against K St that Walford took way down. Then there was another against ND on that first drive....A bunch actually. So dude plays all ACC under Fisch. We are all excited. We bring in a rookie play caller and it's all the QB's fault? Morris was not great by any means but Coley has a lot to improve on play calling. Some of you are so blinded it ridiculous.

Yes, Coley's play calling does need to improve. But there is no denying that Morris did a TERRIBLE job last year in making decisions. He would wait and wait hoping for the long bomb to open up, then desperately force it short when he runs out of time. He would ignore a wide open running back 4 yards downfield that had enough space behind him to get at least 8-10 yards, and then try to force a pass in to a covered WR on the sideline that was only 8-10 yards downfield anyway. It happened over and over and over again.

Didn't happen like that under Fisch. Harris was a pick machine before Fisch. When Fisch came he didn't throw many. Coley had no Experience Calling plays. He shoulder alot of the blame Imo and that will show this year as well. He was trying alot of bombs like Whipple used to.

 

[dk72]

Duke had 4 catches last year. That's not just Morris. U guys blame Highsmith and Rodgers etc for every problem on D and every problem on O on Morris.

How often did we see Duke leak out of the backfield on pass plays with no one near him while Snickers was locked in on his primary option? I know I saw it a ton. If the RB consistently leaks out into the flats and the QB either doesn't see him or doesn't want to check it down to him, then that's on the QB.

The offense didn't focus on that. Fisch offense did.

What nonsense. The bottom line is the RB was OFTEN wide open, with few defenders around him and the ability to turn and run for good yardage if Morris would throw to him. Instead Morris would try to force it in further downfield to a covered receiver.

 

[supacane]

Duke had 4 catches last year. That's not just Morris. U guys blame Highsmith and Rodgers etc for every problem on D and every problem on O on Morris.

How often did we see Duke leak out of the backfield on pass plays with no one near him while Snickers was locked in on his primary option? I know I saw it a ton. If the RB consistently leaks out into the flats and the QB either doesn't see him or doesn't want to check it down to him, then that's on the QB.

The offense didn't focus on that. Fisch offense did.

What nonsense. The bottom line is the RB was OFTEN wide open, with few defenders around him and the ability to turn and run for good yardage if Morris would throw to him. Instead Morris would try to force it in further downfield to a covered receiver.

Yeah yeah its all Morris' fault....we know

 

[Canething]

Monday night can't get here fast enough

 

[dk72]

This....also, to say the staff didn't call inside passes is stupid. The route trees clearly had inside routes, Morris just never went to them. Granted that maybe because he seemed incapable of multiple reads, but that's on Morris. I expect us to be a much more efficient offense this year, especially on third down.

The only people who ever were inside were the TE and the occasionally the rb. The greatest strength of using a TE in the passing game is to take advantage of a lb essentially covering a receiver, but that doesn't work when the TE runs the same 5 yard hitch routes and the WR are always running deep. It's too predictable and the LB gets to stand by and wait for the qb to try and make the pass.

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

 

[fincane]

Oh yeah and 3 different OC in 4 years doesn't help either but that's not relevant now is it? I'm certain Morris would have went up another notch if he had Fisch back again. It's ok to give No D unlimited leeway and years to field a average defense but the QB on his third OC should light it up under a rookie play caller who shares none of the blame. U better pray am wrong. The difference between Fisch and Coley. Fisch built the outlet passes into the offense and not just a after thought just in case u remember and he was decent at setting up plays. I haven't seen that ability from Coley. He reminded me of Whipple.

Who the **** gives the defense any leeway? Just talking to talk.

Morris wasn't good in 2012 or 2013 and the legend of Jedd Fisch is a ridiculous one. How about Jedd Fisch builds this into offense? You're down 16-10 to heavily favored FSU in 2012. You've got the ball in the redzone. Don't put in Robert Lockhart, a freshman who had been injured the entire year and have Morris throw a fade to him. Morris threw it out of bounds by the way. I went and just watched the play again and even the great and powerful Jedd Fisch couldn't get Morris to drop the ball off to Mike James who leaked out to the right and was open for a first down. Same guy he always was.

The same ones criticizing Morris as the sole reason for our offensive ineptitude are the same ones supporting No D. It's one in the same

That's what guys resort to when they can't support their position. I sure as **** don't support our post defensive performance in any way. But that had nothing to do with Morris being very limited and fish not being this ultra productive super genius OC.

Compare Fish's numbers to Coley's. Why don't you just take the straight forward approach of comparing their results. Do the numbers not support the drum you're beating?

It's been compared over and over. Our schedule was crap last season. We played a bunch of cupcakes OOC with a more experienced team. Morris had more yards TDs and less picks under Fisch despite playing ND and K St on the road with a offense with a bunch of FR. And I stand by what I said. Excuses excuses. For No D and Coley. It's all Randy player's fault. Thank goodness they are gone. U may need to start cooking up some new excuses before UL

He didn't have more TDs under Fisch. He had the same each year with 21. The only reason he threw for more yards in 2012 is because he threw the ball 70+ more times. Coley probably rightfully so took the ball out of Morris' hands late in game. Morris almost threw for a full yard more per attempt last season. So the yards things is garbage. He actually had a better passer rating in 2013 too.

Morris wasn't good, he didn't make good decisions and he was inaccurate. You think he was one more Fisch season away from being a potential all-ACC QB when the same issues he had as a freshman he had as a senior.


The OOC schedule was weaker but you're trying to tell me FSU wasn't better and Duke wasn't better than they were in 2012. It doesn't balance out but there is some give and take

 

[supacane]

The only people who ever were inside were the TE and the occasionally the rb. The greatest strength of using a TE in the passing game is to take advantage of a lb essentially covering a receiver, but that doesn't work when the TE runs the same 5 yard hitch routes and the WR are always running deep. It's too predictable and the LB gets to stand by and wait for the qb to try and make the pass.

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

Duke had 27 catches under Fisch.....As well as Mike James had 30. 57 catches to RBs.....thrown by Morris. Under Coley Duke had 4. That's a function of our offensive philosophy. Some teams focus on throwing to the TB others it's an after thought. The catches went to Hurns and the Wrs in bombs. That was Coley's focus. Simple. Excuse makers make excuse

 

[The Franchise]

Oh yeah and 3 different OC in 4 years doesn't help either but that's not relevant now is it? I'm certain Morris would have went up another notch if he had Fisch back again. It's ok to give No D unlimited leeway and years to field a average defense but the QB on his third OC should light it up under a rookie play caller who shares none of the blame. U better pray am wrong. The difference between Fisch and Coley. Fisch built the outlet passes into the offense and not just a after thought just in case u remember and he was decent at setting up plays. I haven't seen that ability from Coley. He reminded me of Whipple.

Who the **** gives the defense any leeway? Just talking to talk.

Morris wasn't good in 2012 or 2013 and the legend of Jedd Fisch is a ridiculous one. How about Jedd Fisch builds this into offense? You're down 16-10 to heavily favored FSU in 2012. You've got the ball in the redzone. Don't put in Robert Lockhart, a freshman who had been injured the entire year and have Morris throw a fade to him. Morris threw it out of bounds by the way. I went and just watched the play again and even the great and powerful Jedd Fisch couldn't get Morris to drop the ball off to Mike James who leaked out to the right and was open for a first down. Same guy he always was.

The same ones criticizing Morris as the sole reason for our offensive ineptitude are the same ones supporting No D. It's one in the same

That's what guys resort to when they can't support their position. I sure as **** don't support our post defensive performance in any way. But that had nothing to do with Morris being very limited and fish not being this ultra productive super genius OC.

Compare Fish's numbers to Coley's. Why don't you just take the straight forward approach of comparing their results. Do the numbers not support the drum you're beating?

It's been compared over and over. Our schedule was crap last season. We played a bunch of cupcakes OOC with a more experienced team. Morris had more yards TDs and less picks under Fisch despite playing ND and K St on the road with a offense with a bunch of FR. And I stand by what I said. Excuses excuses. For No D and Coley. It's all Randy player's fault. Thank goodness they are gone. U may need to start cooking up some new excuses before UL

So you're willing to concede that the genius OC Fish couldn't get things done against good opponents? Is that your point? You're willing to cut Fish slack because you think the schedule was tougher even though the SOS was about the same?

Listen. Fish got mediocre results and so did Coley. I don't think either guy lit the world on fire. But to long for the salad days of Jed Fish is feeble. If you're going to worship past OCs at least pick some that put up great numbers.

 

[The Franchise]

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

Duke had 27 catches under Fisch.....As well as Mike James had 30. 57 catches to RBs.....thrown by Morris. Under Coley Duke had 4. That's a function of our offensive philosophy. Some teams focus on throwing to the TB others it's an after thought. The catches went to Hurns and the Wrs in bombs. That was Coley's focus. Simple. Excuse makers make excuse

How many more yards per pass play did Fish have than Coley? If he was so much better in the passing game, then his yards per attempt should be much higher regardless of whether we threw more to RBs or more to WRs. Right?

 

[fincane]

In here loving on Jedd Fisch because the QB got the ball to the running backs when these are the QBs he recruited: Dewey, Thompson, Crow and Olsen.

So we have: Gone, Miami baseball, now a 5th string H-Back, and perpetual knucklehead.

 

[supacane]

Who the **** gives the defense any leeway? Just talking to talk.

Morris wasn't good in 2012 or 2013 and the legend of Jedd Fisch is a ridiculous one. How about Jedd Fisch builds this into offense? You're down 16-10 to heavily favored FSU in 2012. You've got the ball in the redzone. Don't put in Robert Lockhart, a freshman who had been injured the entire year and have Morris throw a fade to him. Morris threw it out of bounds by the way. I went and just watched the play again and even the great and powerful Jedd Fisch couldn't get Morris to drop the ball off to Mike James who leaked out to the right and was open for a first down. Same guy he always was.

The same ones criticizing Morris as the sole reason for our offensive ineptitude are the same ones supporting No D. It's one in the same

That's what guys resort to when they can't support their position. I sure as **** don't support our post defensive performance in any way. But that had nothing to do with Morris being very limited and fish not being this ultra productive super genius OC.

Compare Fish's numbers to Coley's. Why don't you just take the straight forward approach of comparing their results. Do the numbers not support the drum you're beating?

It's been compared over and over. Our schedule was crap last season. We played a bunch of cupcakes OOC with a more experienced team. Morris had more yards TDs and less picks under Fisch despite playing ND and K St on the road with a offense with a bunch of FR. And I stand by what I said. Excuses excuses. For No D and Coley. It's all Randy player's fault. Thank goodness they are gone. U may need to start cooking up some new excuses before UL

So you're willing to concede that the genius OC Fish couldn't get things done against good opponents? Is that your point? You're willing to cut Fish slack because you think the schedule was tougher even though the SOS was about the same?

Listen. Fish got mediocre results and so did Coley. I don't think either guy lit the world on fire. But to long for the salad days of Jed Fish is feeble. If you're going to worship past OCs at least pick some that put up great numbers.

It was their for everybody to see our deficiencies under Fisch. We struggled against good and great opponents. But last season was bad as well. And the slurpees want to say oh we are gonna be better by having a true FR and a two time transfer because it was all Morris. Same way they say our D will be all world because it was all Cornelius Highsmith, and Rodgers fault.

Look these dudes are no world beaters. But we have coaches who are not putting them in positions to succeed. And it amazes how after 3 and 4 years it all these players fault with majority of the players on the team recruited by Golden. Losers think like that and 90% of the conference would want our roster.....and win our division in a canter