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[orange&green84]

Great! But not to be negative,I'll believe it when I see it ....

Coley is our top recruiter , but last season offensive production
was below average (after Duke injury.)

### UM loves what freshman running back*Joe Yearby*is going to*add, and coordinator James Coley said there’s a package with both Yearby and Duke Johnson playing together (with one lining up at receiver).

I hope it part of the speed sweep package (I'm prayer for more creative offensively)

Well, Duke was our only RB worth a **** last season, and Morris (which was proven in his pro day) was beyond inconsistent on making the simplest of throws. So what were you expecting?

 

[poncho0091]

The only people who ever were inside were the TE and the occasionally the rb. The greatest strength of using a TE in the passing game is to take advantage of a lb essentially covering a receiver, but that doesn't work when the TE runs the same 5 yard hitch routes and the WR are always running deep. It's too predictable and the LB gets to stand by and wait for the qb to try and make the pass.

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg. This is also a possible indication that his progressions given to him by his coaches playcalling were more focused on deep routes. If you have a qb who is not great at his progressions, then you don't make the **** checkdown 4th or 5th in the progression.

 

[supacane]

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg.

Don't worry they will come up with more excuses. You hit the nail on the head. Not because someone is open doesn't mean he is a part of the play. Our RBs were use as decoys alot of times. No way we cut our catches in more than half with the same QB and that's not a function of the offense. It was the same thing under Whipple. When Fisch came suddenly Jacory stop throwing picks. It's not magic. That's a coach who knows where it's strength and weaknesses lie in his players. Even our screens gained us way more yardage under Fisch. Coley sure as **** got a more seasoned offense than Fisch did

 

[poncho0091]

Coley sure as **** got a more seasoned offense than Fisch did

People seem to forget this one most

 

[cane since birth]

Still havent answered my question

 

[rayray]

for half the year our only running backs were a converted safety, a true freshman converted fullback and a guy with a broken neck. this seems like a very important asterisk to remember. against teams like duke and va tech dallas couldn't get more than 2 yards a carry.

anyway going back to his time at FSU coley has only been involved in very successful offenses, last year's miami team included. (here's where i remind everyone that football outsiders had us as the #5 offense in the entire country last year http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff) i seriously have no idea why people on this board dislike him so much.

 

[Cane2]

In here loving on Jedd Fisch because the QB got the ball to the running backs when these are the QBs he recruited: Dewey, Thompson, Crow and Olsen.

So we have: Gone, Miami baseball, now a 5th string H-Back, and perpetual knucklehead.

If PeDState and the U and have super successful seasons, they'd could lose Franklin to the NFL, with Al G back to Ped State (who'd take his DoNo with him) and the U would be looking for a new staff. Conversely, if the U has a horrible season, Al G. may well be as gone too... Thus, how about we bring back Jedd Fisch for the HC gig, keep Coley as OC and on recruiting QBs and, for DoNO old DC job, bring back to the U for DC Barrow from sabbatical...

and we back!

 

[dk72]

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

Duke had 27 catches under Fisch.....As well as Mike James had 30. 57 catches to RBs.....thrown by Morris. Under Coley Duke had 4. That's a function of our offensive philosophy. Some teams focus on throwing to the TB others it's an after thought. The catches went to Hurns and the Wrs in bombs. That was Coley's focus. Simple. Excuse makers make excuse

Yes, but a QB should have the football IQ to actually use the RB as a checkdown. Morris didn't. Unless the RB was the primary receiver on the route, Morris all but ignored him. It's about checkdowns, and Morris' absolute inability to do them.

 

[dk72]

Go back and watch, this is completely false. We had people running inside patterns just like everyone else. Morris never looked over the middle. Period.

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg. This is also a possible indication that his progressions given to him by his coaches playcalling were more focused on deep routes. If you have a qb who is not great at his progressions, then you don't make the **** checkdown 4th or 5th in the progression.

What I know is what I saw...game after game after game. Morris ignoring the RB who was wide open and instead forcing it down the field.

 

[supacane]

I did watch. I even broke it down in a thread after one of our games last year. I think it was like 30 something passing plays and a wide receiver crossed the middle of the field maybe 5-6 times. Like I said, TE's and rb got to sit on the hashmarks more often, but we didn't utilize mid field effectively or efficiently. Seriously, Coley is in love with TE's on the hash marks, WR streaks and WR outside hitches to the sideline. He is anti WR crossing over the middle where we should be taking advantage with our WR crop.

I'm not putting all the blame on Coley. Morris didn't do himself any favors, but, Coley did not put our players in a position to succeed. If you doubt this, go look at the number of receptions our rbs had the year before (with Morris at qb) compared to last year and see how much it dropped off. We have one of the best receiving cores in college football and all we did was have them run deep routes.

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg. This is also a possible indication that his progressions given to him by his coaches playcalling were more focused on deep routes. If you have a qb who is not great at his progressions, then you don't make the **** checkdown 4th or 5th in the progression.

What I know is what I saw...game after game after game. Morris ignoring the RB who was wide open and instead forcing it down the field.

I get it. Coley is a play calling guru who Jumbo Fischer wouldn't let call the plays. Let's see what season two of the guru that can't be criticized bring.

 

[dk72]

Thank you. When Duke Johnson has 4 receptions in like 8 games that is not just Morris. The TE and RBs were not featured in the offense.

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg. This is also a possible indication that his progressions given to him by his coaches playcalling were more focused on deep routes. If you have a qb who is not great at his progressions, then you don't make the **** checkdown 4th or 5th in the progression.

What I know is what I saw...game after game after game. Morris ignoring the RB who was wide open and instead forcing it down the field.

I get it. Coley is a play calling guru who Jumbo Fischer wouldn't let call the plays. Let's see what season two of the guru that can't be criticized bring.

Don't get your panties in a wad. No one said Coley is a play calling guru. I wasn't particularly fond of his playcalling last year, in fact. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that Morris would not make good reads, would not throw to open receivers, would force things unnecessarily. Again, Coley doesn't have to call a play with the RB as the primary for it to be Morris' ***** up when he's rolling out and forces the ball to a covered receiver while not throwing to the wide open RB standing right in front of him.

 

[poncho0091]

Yes, it is Morris. Because Duke was open on may plays where Morris looked right past him and forced a throw to a receiver deeper downfield. While the RB may not have been the featured receiver as often under Coley, he was there as a checkdown, and was often wide open, and was typically ignored by Morris in favor of a more difficult throw. I still recall a drive in one game that stalled on a third down as Duke was wide open 3-4 yards downfield with no defender within at least 3-5 yards of him, and only medium yardage needed for the first down. Morris rolled out under pressure, ignored Duke completely, threw right past him to a well-covered Lewis along the sideline, and couldn't complete it...so we punted...three and out...again. THat one stuck out in my mind because I recall screaming at the TV I was so ****ed. But it happened over and over and over again all season.

You guys keep saying Morris didn't know how to use his checkdown, but somehow magically he did it just fine with Fisch. Noone here is saying that Morris was a superstar. In my defense of Morris, I'm not trying to say he was going to be a 1st round qb under Fisch. My point is that Fisch understood where Morris's strengths and weaknesses were and he tried to coach around them. Not a **** one of you couch potatoes know what the progressions were, but seem to know so much about Morris's progressions and somehow under Fisch, our RB's had over 60 receptions with Morris at qb vs 24 under Coley.

Example - Let's say Fisch understood that Morris is good for 1-2 reads at best. In this case, Fisch makes that rb the 1st or 2nd read in the play. Coley on the other hand says hmm, Morris doesn't know how to make a read, but he's got a big arm. Let me make WR1, WR2, and WR3 run deep routes and have them be the first 3 reads and this will negate the inability to make a read. Problem is under Coley, all 3 are deep, and in the same place where the defense is expecting the ball to go. For all we know, Morris's check downs may have been the 3rd, 4th or 5th read. If Morris cannot make progressions as many of you believe, then Coley needs to adjust his playcalling to put his player in a position to succeed.

Then we have people talking about yards per play. Knowing the numbers and actually watching the game tell 2 different stories. Under Fisch, Morris did not have Stacy Coley. How many huge plays did Coley break for us last year. That kind of thing will boost the numbers. Under Coley, our offense is throwing bombs more often it appears, because that seems to be all Morris would throw (see above about progressions) and if its a completion its a big boost to the avg, but if he misses, it doesn't count against it. Under Fisch though, it appeared more reads were focused on shorter passes and the bombs were a good change of pace. shorter throws = less avg yards.

Here is some numbers for you stat guys.

Passing completions of 10+ yards:
Coley: 116
Fisch: 131

Passing plays of 20+ yards:
Coley: 57
Fisch: 52

Passing plays of 30+ yards:
Coley: 36
Fisch: 25

Anyone see the trend here? Trending up seems to be the favorite here. In 77 less passing attempts (47 less completions), Coley has far higher % of plays going deep than Fisch does. This is going to lead to an obvious higher avg. This is also a possible indication that his progressions given to him by his coaches playcalling were more focused on deep routes. If you have a qb who is not great at his progressions, then you don't make the **** checkdown 4th or 5th in the progression.

What I know is what I saw...game after game after game. Morris ignoring the RB who was wide open and instead forcing it down the field.

I get it. Coley is a play calling guru who Jumbo Fischer wouldn't let call the plays. Let's see what season two of the guru that can't be criticized bring.

Don't get your panties in a wad. No one said Coley is a play calling guru. I wasn't particularly fond of his playcalling last year, in fact. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that Morris would not make good reads, would not throw to open receivers, would force things unnecessarily. Again, Coley doesn't have to call a play with the RB as the primary for it to be Morris' ***** up when he's rolling out and forces the ball to a covered receiver while not throwing to the wide open RB standing right in front of him.

Regardless of what Morris is or isn't, the coaches chose to ride with him (which then says a lot about the guys behind him) and it's the coaches job to figure out what works for the personnel he has in. I'll say it again, if Morris can't make multiple reads and then understand to check down, then move the checkdown further up in the progression. Simple concept. Perfect example of beating something to death that is not working was Whipple with Jacory. JH did not have the arm to throw bombs, but Whipple called the plays that led to JH throwing bombs. Then Fisch shows up and says, "Hey JH, I see that throwing bombs all day is not working, so lets make most of our play calls use short to intermediate passing routes and let the receivers get that YAC." Next thing you know JH actually looks like he's capable of playing QB again. Coley failed to do that.