Some Spring thoughts

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We need some DTs bad.

 

[Hegemon]

I'm all in on moving Bunche to Guard and leaving Flowers and Seantrel at Tackle. I get that Bunche might be a little too tall per se but I think we can get over that. Bunche is a strong ************ and we need him in there, I think guard is where he could maximize his play. Flowers is just too good to not be starting and playing, and the same goes with Seantrel when his wheels are all turning and there are no distractions.

I'm hoping Seantrel jumps up to a top 2 round OT draftee next year, and if that happens, it means we had a very solid year (which starts in the trenches). With these 4 OL verbals and Yearby and Alin, thats a very dynamic start to the class. This class is gonna be special, but more importantly this program is going to be special for a long long time since it all starts in the trenches. And our OL is stacked for the next 7+ years.

Good post.

I just don't see how you move Linder or Feliciano anywhere. Bunche will be a utility guy. He'll be used as a swing tackle and inside when necessary. I stand firmly where I was months ago when D$ and I discussed this. I don't care how much experience Bunche has or whether he'll play in the NFL. You don't sit a guy like Erek Flowers. He's a potential Top 8 pick and, while he has some work to do, he can do things our other tackles cannot. Point blank, the offense will depend on it.

As for Henderson, if he has the type of year I expect, I think he's a first rounder. Nevertheless, this is the guy I've consistently compared him to: Mike Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Adams_(offensive_tackle)). Adams was taken 56th overall in the 2012 draft. I think Henderson is more talented and can prove his stability/character this season.

It's potentially the best OL in the history of the school. They have a senior QB with a ton of starts under his belt behind them. They have a superstar RB with NFL versatility. They have reliable and complementary WRs who cut their teeth last season and remind me of those VTech WR corps of the 2000s. There are no excuses.

Coach Coley, it's your move.

Good post Lu.

Having said all of this it is simply MINDBLOWING to me how much crap Kehoe got and his unit arguably might be the best on the team for years to come. Clearly other coaches helped in the recruiting department but at the end of the day the position coaches matter.

I'm utterly flabbergasted at the DT situation. Of all the things I could have thought of I didn't think DT would be the place holding back UM football.

If we don't get Clark and some other studs this year (assuming Moten doesn't switch....his position coach left but STA kids don't mess around) we're in tough shape.


LOVE......absolutely love the depth we're aquiring at OL....DT........???????????? ugh......facepalm.

 

[gcane44]

I'm all in on moving Bunche to Guard and leaving Flowers and Seantrel at Tackle. I get that Bunche might be a little too tall per se but I think we can get over that. Bunche is a strong ************ and we need him in there, I think guard is where he could maximize his play. Flowers is just too good to not be starting and playing, and the same goes with Seantrel when his wheels are all turning and there are no distractions.

I'm hoping Seantrel jumps up to a top 2 round OT draftee next year, and if that happens, it means we had a very solid year (which starts in the trenches). With these 4 OL verbals and Yearby and Alin, thats a very dynamic start to the class. This class is gonna be special, but more importantly this program is going to be special for a long long time since it all starts in the trenches. And our OL is stacked for the next 7+ years.

Good post.

I just don't see how you move Linder or Feliciano anywhere. Bunche will be a utility guy. He'll be used as a swing tackle and inside when necessary. I stand firmly where I was months ago when D$ and I discussed this. I don't care how much experience Bunche has or whether he'll play in the NFL. You don't sit a guy like Erek Flowers. He's a potential Top 8 pick and, while he has some work to do, he can do things our other tackles cannot. Point blank, the offense will depend on it.

As for Henderson, if he has the type of year I expect, I think he's a first rounder. Nevertheless, this is the guy I've consistently compared him to: Mike Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Adams_(offensive_tackle)). Adams was taken 56th overall in the 2012 draft. I think Henderson is more talented and can prove his stability/character this season.

It's potentially the best OL in the history of the school. They have a senior QB with a ton of starts under his belt behind them. They have a superstar RB with NFL versatility. They have reliable and complementary WRs who cut their teeth last season and remind me of those VTech WR corps of the 2000s. There are no excuses.

Coach Coley, it's your move.

Good post Lu.

Having said all of this it is simply MINDBLOWING to me how much crap Kehoe got and his unit arguably might be the best on the team for years to come. Clearly other coaches helped in the recruiting department but at the end of the day the position coaches matter.

I'm utterly flabbergasted at the DT situation. Of all the things I could have thought of I didn't think DT would be the place holding back UM football.

If we don't get Clark and some other studs this year (assuming Moten doesn't switch....his position coach left but STA kids don't mess around) we're in tough shape.


LOVE......absolutely love the depth we're aquiring at OL....DT........???????????? ugh......facepalm.

You're mentioning it a lot, so I want your take on it: What particularly did you not like about the DT/DL from the Spring game? What stood out to you as looking bad? How do you think the orange DL looked since they are likely to be the starters? What about the white DL?

Thanks

 

[Bigtip]

Spring is always an offensive showcase. However, this team looks different as far as size. They are starting to look like men. Personally, I think AQM might be the gem of this class. Also, everyone seems to sleep on jamal carter. We had more 4 star recruits than most of the teams ranked ahead of us on rivals.

I've been on the Carter bandwagon from day 1 when i saw his junior tape.

kid is a legit stud and i expect him to have an immediate impact

 

[DiegoCane]

Bunche IMO could supplant one of out two starting guards. He gives us the ability to push guys off the ball which is one of the main problems we had with our interior linemen last year. In regards to Wheeler, I would start him ahead of McDermott in a heart beat!!

Linder did not have a great year for us last year, and really needs to consider moving to center.

Flowers, Bunch, Linder, Feliciano, Henderson should be our starting five. Gadbois could be our swing tackle this year. Wheeler and McDermott could provide help on the inside rotation.

Couldn't be further from the truth. We got a ton of push from our OG's. Feliciano absolutely mauls people and Linder always grades out as one of our top O-linemen.

Yeah, Bunche has ZERO chance of replacing Linder or Feliciano. I feel for the kid because he seems like a hard worker and is actually a decent enough player, but he has two future NFL tackles in front of him in Flowers and Henderson. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some PT as a "TE" in Unbalanced sets.

I think the love affair with Bunche has to do with his stature rather than his actual performance because he's really not that good of a lineman IMO. He might be the fourth best OL we have on the starting line-up. He was beaten around the edge plenty of times last season. He's not horrible or anything, I just don't think he deserves the praise that he gets on here. People are getting all excited cause he played some guard this spring but they forget that we already have two outstanding guards. (who go under-appreciated if you ask me) People act as if he's simply going to destroy people at guard because of his size but the starting LG we have already destroys people on the regular and our RG is a pure technician. Bunche isn't as talented as Linder or ferocious as Feliciano. He's also not on Henderson's level and definitely not as athletic as Flowers, who I think is our most physically gifted lineman. He's the odd man out.

Bunche is a good college OL but unfortunately Henderson, Flowers, Linder, Feliciano are all better which is a great ******* problem to have. Nearly every team out there would love to have him as a starter at RT or OG ( he's not a LT IMO). Man this OL should just beat people this year

 

[TheSwagger1]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

 

[Consigliere]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

2014 is a long way from now but to be fair, both Harris and Morris showed more promise than the players we have as our number 2... I wasn't concerned with our qb position for the past 2 years bvecause both showed flashes of producing great games... I havent seen that from the players we have now but we knew it was going to take some time when we first signed these prospects... I must admit I'm a Crow fan... I cooled down on Dewey when I realized he was granted a 5th year to play ball in Texas. And I felt that he would have to adjust a lot more because it was small ball in Texas... He was oldest on the field against inferior competition... I just felt his ceiling was low... As for Thompson, I didn't know if he was going to play football or baseball... And I felt he was a spread option qb... He was like a miniature Tebow in high school..

 

[LuCane]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

 

[Consigliere]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

I don't know, the guy was a QB coach in the NFL for awhile. The only thing I will say is he had Williams, Dewey and Crow for one season and he wasn't here this spring. How much damage could a guy do?

 

[bg534]

I think Bunche ends up being our 6th man on the line this season. That top backup who can come in and play every position besides center (I think Wheeler has backup center covered adequately enough). He might not end up starting a lot of the time, but kid will see plenty of burn, IMO.

Although I suspect a lot of people will be disappointed when guys like Kacy Rodgers and Shayon Green end up with starting spots as the season begins. I think Flowers bumping Bunche off his **** is a rare feat. Golden seems to want senior leadership on the field more than pure athleticism, and I can't fault him for that. This defense will be much better than last year, but our best guys are still sophomores (majority) and juniors (Chick, Perryman, Pierre), not juniors and seniors, and many of them are still, therefore, relatively inexperienced.

Expect guys like Rayshawn Jenkins and Tyriq McCord to earn starting positions later on in the season.

 

[LuCane]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

I don't know, the guy was a QB coach in the NFL for awhile. The only thing I will say is he had Williams, Dewey and Crow for one season and he wasn't here this spring. How much damage could a guy do?

Fisch? He was something like an assistant QB/WR coach for a bit. He spent a year as a QB coach for Seattle. The rest of the time, he was an OC at college, quality control in the NFL or even on the defensive side of the ball. Frankly, I think he's a spatial guy and probably great schematically. I get what you're saying. I guess I just see Swagger's point as being we needed a legitimate evaluation in that Crow/Dewey cycle.

 

[skyman]

Our DT development, depth and recruiting is absolutely pathetic.

Its going to cost us games.

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

I don't know, the guy was a QB coach in the NFL for awhile. The only thing I will say is he had Williams, Dewey and Crow for one season and he wasn't here this spring. How much damage could a guy do?

I think its not what he taught them but that they might not be talented enough for a school like miami. We will have ALOT of pieces in 2014, its gonna be a shame if Olsen isnt able to be that guy because one of the worse things to see is a loaded offense with a confused qb who cant make simple plays. We better pray on Olsen, Doubt any of the other guys play a good down other than against FAU, and Savannah st

 

[Consigliere]

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

I don't know, the guy was a QB coach in the NFL for awhile. The only thing I will say is he had Williams, Dewey and Crow for one season and he wasn't here this spring. How much damage could a guy do?

I think its not what he taught them but that they might not be talented enough for a school like miami. We will have ALOT of pieces in 2014, its gonna be a shame if Olsen isnt able to be that guy because one of the worse things to see is a loaded offense with a confused qb who cant make simple plays. We better pray on Olsen, Doubt any of the other guys play a good down other than against FAU, and Savannah st

I get what you are saying.

I will be in the minority, if Thompson focused on football...I think he would be the guy. As for the 2014 QB, not really concerned at the moment. I am more concerned with the 2013 DL and DL Coach.

 

[Consigliere]

Absolute truth. And, I'm starting to get really friggin' concerned about QB in 2014, also. I was a Fisch fan but starting to feel like he really bombed in his evaluation there. Those two positions will determine whether we are ACC title contenders or NC title contenders in 2014. I suspect they will be big problems for us.

How did you feel at the start of 2011 about the 2012 season? Did you think Morris was ready to go based on a few games from his freshman year?

Honestly, that is a long way away 2014. Most teams are unsure about the next QB because at the current point there is a reason the back-up is on the pine (inexperience, not-enrolled, lack of talent etc.).

I think Swagger's point was that, while a certain level of uncertainty is acceptable with a QB transition, our situation may be pronounced because Fisch may not have been the best evaluator. Personally, it wouldn't at all surprise me. He was technical about play design, but when your QB is still technically fairly ****ed up after so many reps, you have to wonder what kind of eye for release, stance, balance, etc. the QB coach has.

*crosses fingers*

I don't know, the guy was a QB coach in the NFL for awhile. The only thing I will say is he had Williams, Dewey and Crow for one season and he wasn't here this spring. How much damage could a guy do?

Fisch? He was something like an assistant QB/WR coach for a bit. He spent a year as a QB coach for Seattle. The rest of the time, he was an OC at college, quality control in the NFL or even on the defensive side of the ball. Frankly, I think he's a spatial guy and probably great schematically. I get what you're saying. I guess I just see Swagger's point as being we needed a legitimate evaluation in that Crow/Dewey cycle.

I don't know what he did at every job. He has worked with QBs in the NFL, that is all I really meant. Dewey and Crow are still in their first year of college, not sure what people expect.

 

[AsylumGodfather]

*Poor awareness
*No touch
*No anticipation
*No quality attributes while rolling out
*Cant read a defense
*Doesnt have a signature win
*Sat behind Jacory Harris
*Below avg completion percentage
*Terrible on 3rd down passing situations
*Bad footwork
*Whats his record as a starter?

**** of a quarterback if he has 4 feet of open space to work with though...Neg away though, i know how much you all hate facts.

You sound really butt hurt over the fact that D$ made a comparison about some of Morris' throws to your Beloved Aaron Rodgers. Dude let it go you're starting to sound like a ***** about the issue.

 

[Hegemon]

Gcane I think Porter Robinson and Pierre can be stout at the point of attack.

I think Chickillo and Green are JAGS.

We have absolutely no pass rush.

Most concerning....our depth across thr board lacks talent and development has been lack luster at best.

I hope we hold teams to around 20 points. We gave up 30.5 a game last year.

 

[grover]

I strongly disagree on Chickillo being a JAG. 2-year starter already who suffered by being asked to do more than he was ready to do as a Freshmen and Sophomore. Now that he's grown into his body, Chick is going to have a very good year.

 

[bobbydigius]

I strongly disagree on Chickillo being a JAG. 2-year starter already who suffered by being asked to do more than he was ready to do as a Freshmen and Sophomore. Now that he's grown into his body, Chick is going to have a very good year.

I have been one of those that has dogged Chickillo, but he is nowhere near a JAG. I expect a solid year from the kid, the third year is usually when a DL starts to reach a level where they can compete physically. I believe that our starting DL will be pretty solid, its whats behind them that scares me.

 

[Dandycane]

I strongly disagree on Chickillo being a JAG. 2-year starter already who suffered by being asked to do more than he was ready to do as a Freshmen and Sophomore. Now that he's grown into his body, Chick is going to have a very good year.

I have been one of those that has dogged Chickillo, but he is nowhere near a JAG. I expect a solid year from the kid, the third year is usually when a DL starts to reach a level where they can compete physically. I believe that our starting DL will be pretty solid, its whats behind them that scares me.

Chick SHOULD be a sophomore this year. Randall Shannon did not make that possible.