Some real talk. Lots of real talk...

I have to admit... I was wrong about coley returning punts. I know he was forced into taking every kick but I just felt different with him back there. I actually felt like he would break one
 
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Artie Burns did not play well today...the fourth down play and the long pass conversion. He's a freshman and it showed. If the kid wasnt a four star recruit we'd be screaming to bench him.

Artie's a prime example of where we're at right now as a program. We've got talent, but the talent is too young to be really effective. Artie in 2 years will be a beastly creature. Right now, he's merely an average player.

The best parts about Artie, Crawford, and Tracy last year is they bounce right back. They all play with toughness. That's going to pay off in the long run. We saw Crawford play a really good stretch today.
 
Good post, chise.

Regarding lack of explosiveness, it's most apparent on defense. Tyrone, Gaines, green, chick are all average in the speed dept.

Jenkins, AJ, KR are all average guys as well.
 
Good post, chise.

Regarding lack of explosiveness, it's most apparent on defense. Tyrone, Gaines, green, chick are all average in the speed dept.

Jenkins, AJ, KR are all average guys as well.

I disagree in regards to Jenkins. He's a "Miami" type of athlete IMO.
 
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Good post, chise.

Regarding lack of explosiveness, it's most apparent on defense. Tyrone, Gaines, green, chick are all average in the speed dept.

Jenkins, AJ, KR are all average guys as well.

Yessir. The defense is still trotting out a lot of soap horses. All those dudes are good kids and try-hard guys with experience. But their athleticism (speed, explosiveness, change of direction, etc.) is way below what we need to have an elite defense.

It's funny you mention Jenkins because I came into this season thinking he was a plus athlete, but he's shocked me at times with how slow he is.
 
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Got to agree with a lot that, Franchise. We definitely are not the speedy Miami of old. I have made the point several times that we do not play on the OB turf now. We kept it the shortest turf in college football. The Fjns' turf is much longer which has tendency to make everyone equal like a wet turf. I prefer are old style but until we have our own turf, I think we have no choice but to beef up and maul, which is clearly Golden's plan.

We have more work to do, but I think we have the chance to overachieve this year and make a miracle. Two years from now Al will have a monster to unleash, but it just might be for his second NC. This team does not quit and gets better in the 4th. The opposite of the last 10 years. We won ugly this week but Mizzu just lost FSU style--filed goal of upright in oT after leading early. We have won late and not playing well. We play our best game against FSU and I think we beat them.
 
The defensive call where we're dropping a tackle has got to go. It works in theory but to watch Porter or Robinson drop right passed a slanting TE for a first down is painful. It happened on that 4th and 5
 
Its a bend dont break, keep everything in front PSU d...its a keep it close, wear u down o...just win baby...coley knows stop the misdirection toss back and deep ball...porter knows break bread
 
Good ****, Chise, as usual.

I will say this about point #3 because I think it's an important topic:

I think we came in to the game with it in mind. We gave up the quick points and they were stonewalling our run game at the beginning. I think we had to, or felt we had to, open it up a bit quicker than we wanted because our defense was struggling. We didn't get a chance to get in that early rhythm running it the way I think we wanted to. JMO though.

All that and nothing about our dreadful offense? At Home against Wake and you struggle like that scoring points?

The passing game has gone from unbelievable under Jedd Fisch to flat out atrocious under James Coley. Same freakin players. The goal line offense on your own 20 with Malcolm Lewis as the only wideout is laughable.

James Coley looks like the weakest link.

Stop it. You have a short memory. Fisch's offense blew against good teams -- KSU, ND, FSU... And it choked when it mattered in games like Virginia (lost to UNC at home too).. They aren't pasting 50 on the weakest of the weak, but so what. I can only hope their performance the last 2 weeks is the product of a team preparing for FSU and nothing else.

Did you quote me on accident?

I think Coley is doing a great job. I think Fisch was hamstrung by a horrible defense last year but I like our approach this year much better.
 
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The lack of holding calls was amazing. I watched their OL drag down McCord and AQM 3x each and no call at all.

Also is there no horse collar call in college? Duke took two of them today right in front of ref

The offensive play calling and the play of morris is killing us right now. The 4th down we went for and didnt get is a prime example. Why are we running a slow developing stretch play and not running it right down their throats?

On defense m favorite call of the day was dropping 96 in coverage, the ball going to the wr standing in his zone and him completely whiffing on the tackle. Why the fug is a 300lb DT dropping back in zone? who are you trying to fool?
 
Guys like Figueroa and Kirby need to play more. Yeah they have a lot to learn but the only way they will is if they get game experience. We did it last year and there were growing pains but we're better this year because of it so the coaches should get them some more playing time. And put Burns at safety I do not want to see Highsmith back there trying to cover the fsu receivers.
 
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Good stuff Burt. I can't disagree with anything that you said. We're still a couple of years away. We're short on talent in certain areas, and even when that talent is ready, to truly be elite, we're going to need to have the quality depth as well. A win next week would be one of the bigger upsets that I've witnessed as a Cane fan.

We haven't been a heavy underdog too often over the years, big fella. So, you're absolutely right. If we pull that upset next week it'll be one of the biggest we've pulled off in a LONG time. I don't remember how heavily UCLA was favored against us, but that was a pretty big one we pulled off when Edge hung 300 on them and made them look so feeble he got them investigated by the FBI for possible point shaving.

The UCLA game in 1998 was originally -11.5 and -12, then dropped to the -10 range at kickoff. The wise guy joints closed -9.5. In addition, the money line was quite low for a 10 point favorite. Lots of sharps took the Canes outright so the money line looked more like a 7.5 or 8 point favorite at kickoff. That's somewhat standard for road non-conference games. Lots of vulnerability to an outright defeat so the money lines are almost begging you to take the favorite. Next week at Florida State will be the opposite. The money line on the Seminoles will likely be in the -1000 range, compared to -330 range for UCLA in 1998. This would be a markedly greater upset.

Miami could be as much as a 20 point underdog. I wouldn't be shocked. Florida State bettors are laughing at the opening numbers these days. The Clemson number jumped and the NC State spot today moved up more than a touchdown. The oddsmakers have to steer toward the upside to counter such lopsided action.

Regardless, I'd rather be unbeaten and whispered as a fraud, than a 2-3 loss irrelevancy. Only good things can come of this, other than perhaps drawing a bowl opponent who is a tier or two above our level. When we're rated in the top 6 or 7 in preseason, that's when I'll be excited. It will mean our talent level has finally caught up with our aspirations. When you're #27 in August and #7 in late October, only one direction is inevitable. I'm enjoying this with no expectations whatsoever. IMO, today three plays enabled us to escape embarrassment -- Walford's fantastic grab, the personal foul on Duke's run on our second touchdown drive when it would have been third and long, and the questionable (in person, haven't seen TV coverage) pass interference on Wake Forest during our winning drive.

Florida State has allowed 4 yards per play for three seasons running. That's an amazing range. Not enough fans or analysts grasp the significance. It means you are loaded on that side of the ball and your preparation and intensity level are terrific. I've been immensely jealous because I'm well aware of the margin for error attached, particularly now with a playmaker behind center. Florida State has been constructed toward physical legitimacy while we have pieced together a special player here and there. We'll need an inordinate number of breaks, ones that make no sense within the framework of a normal game.
 
FSU does not have an elite run defense at all. We pound the ball ball and control the clock. Keep the ball out of Jameis' hands. Need to somehow win the turnover battle as well. Also, I hear that FSU's punter is ******* terrible and takes a long time kick it after he receives the snap. So lets block a punt or 2.

win time of poss.
win turnover battle

= chance to win the game.
 
FSU does not have an elite run defense at all. We pound the ball ball and control the clock. Keep the ball out of Jameis' hands. Need to somehow win the turnover battle as well. Also, I hear that FSU's punter is ******* terrible and takes a long time kick it after he receives the snap. So lets block a punt or 2.

win time of poss.
win turnover battle

= chance to win the game.

If we are going to win we have to run it successfully. No other way IMO. And we are capable, we just need to execute.
 
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