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second half dominance defensively

DrNovaCane said:
See Jay I don’t believe we “played down”. It was 14-7 and we were rolling and the defense was “bending but not breaking”. I believe that changed big MO and then 2 more TO’s later we in a dog fight to get that MO back. The defense was put in some bad positions but this is who they’ve been and probably will be rest of the year. I’m hoping it’s the low point for the offense that hurt us Friday night.
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I mean we "played down" regarding the number of tackles that were missed and the inability to set an edge or contain the QB. Seems there was a lack of focus or preparation thinking VT was what 2-2 record said they were and not that they're one of the top 3-4 teams in the conference. Top 2-3 when they play "up" like they did Friday.

The turnovers are the biggest issue... to me. Those saved VT and took points off the board for us and hurt momentum.

As for the defense, I highly doubt this is "who they will be the rest of the year". If they miss double digit tackles per game, not even the 21 missed Friday, we'll be 8-4 maybe 9-3 regardless of what the offense does. They won't win another game this season that we have 3 turnovers and double digit missed tackles. They also won't win another game with 20+ missed tackles even if the offense plays the best game they'll ever play. No other coach is giving us the game like Brent Pry, Restrepo isn't making another catch on 4th down on his ***, the shovel pass won't be as effective, and on and on. There were 3 if not 4 once in a season type plays in this 1 game.

The refs will also get the backlash and try to publicly "make it even" somewhere down the road. Or lean on the side against Miami just because of the perception from that play. We may never catch another break the rest of the year.
 
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IMHO, the biggest problem on defense was the 22 missed tackles. The Canes defense should be around 5-7 missed tackles a game, and never have more than 11, which isn’t good either. The missed tackles and yards after contact were more than any game I have ever seen and I am not exaggerating. Drones and Axum are good, but not THAT ( 22 missed tackles ) good.

Guidry’s defense is predicated on having players who can tackle. Therefore, Guidry’s fixes on defense are fairly basic and simple - all players must tackle better than they did against VT. If a player misses a tackle, substitute him with a player who will tackle. If the Canes don’t get back to basic tackling, they will not have a good defense during ACC play, and the second half of the season will be rocky at best.
 
Santana Sosa said:
They don't lie, but they can mislead. VT scored more than their season average so far in last game. Only other 2 times they scored more than 30 is against Marshall and ODU.

What i give Guidry his flowers for is his mastery in masking our deficiencies. But VT test drove the **** out of it before the adjustment.
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VT got the fumble and a short field 7 points. VT got the 1st INT and great field position add a missed tackle for the long TD run 7 points. VT 2nd INT great field position and a fake FG. So thats a 21 point swing with VT getting two TD'S and Miami not scoring one because of the penalty. Take the 14 away and VT scores 20 points. Miami did not play great in the tackling department first time this year it happens. I cant blame Guidry for the equalizer the turn overs.
 
CANEMC said:
They don't blitz often because they don't have the athletes to do so. We can't blitz from 10 yds off the LOS and expect to get to a mobile QB.
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Is this really true?
You don't put out great defenses in the Big10 without having great football players, which they have for a long time.

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JayCane20 said:
I mean we "played down" regarding the number of tackles that were missed and the inability to set an edge or contain the QB. Seems there was a lack of focus or preparation thinking VT was what 2-2 record said they were and not that they're one of the top 3-4 teams in the conference. Top 2-3 when they play "up" like they did Friday.

The turnovers are the biggest issue... to me. Those saved VT and took points off the board for us and hurt momentum.

As for the defense, I highly doubt this is "who they will be the rest of the year". If they miss double digit tackles per game, not even the 21 missed Friday, we'll be 8-4 maybe 9-3 regardless of what the offense does. They won't win another game this season that we have 3 turnovers and double digit missed tackles. They also won't win another game with 20+ missed tackles even if the offense plays the best game they'll ever play. No other coach is giving us the game like Brent Pry, Restrepo isn't making another catch on 4th down on his ***, the shovel pass won't be as effective, and on and on. There were 3 if not 4 once in a season type plays in this 1 game.

The refs will also get the backlash and try to publicly "make it even" somewhere down the road. Or lean on the side against Miami just because of the perception from that play. We may never catch another break the rest of the year.
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Ok gotcha.

I guess what I meant RE: defense; was that I don't think they're world beaters but they're good enough for us to win at a high level, w/out "looking/being dominate like a UGA, BAMA, etc right now. Yes they have holes (DT, CB) but they've been holding their own while the offense has been punishing people. VT game I believe will be an anomaly for the offense (Cam) and the defense won't be put in so many bad positions in one game that they won't start pressing and getting out of character (playing hero ball).

I couldn't agree with you more on them freaking refs. I just hope that "zebra payback" doesn't happen when we're stiffing playoffs or game we absolutely need to have at end of season.
 
Will this be an anomaly for Cam though? He was turnover prone last year and that fumble was bad.
Best case scenario that pass is incomplete, just eat the ball there and punt it away.
People say, that’s who he is, you have to live with it…I dunno.

And I love that we have an offence, and he is a playmaker and someone we have never had at qb. He is kinda what we hoped D’eriq King would be. The picks, whatever, they happen and the luck element of turnovers means we won’t have another game like this, but I would rather not find out.

If that happens, our defence will be fine. 4-5 stops in a game is enough probably with the way we are scoring.
 
Caned Peach said:
After seeing the screenshots of how their C had his hand inside the left shoulder pad area of our DLineman, ya, that was a hold for sure.
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So, in talking to a couple of former refs at the HS level (Trinity League in CA.), they both said holding is when the hands of the OL or DL are placed on the outside of the shoulder pads, around the neck, inside the jersey collar, the arms, the wrist, not allowing a defender or offensive lineman to disengage when they r beat.

Inside the jersey and or shoulder pads are not normally called as that’s considered a standard blocking technique. It’s why WRs on the outside are taught to engage, and “hold the block” which means getting in between the jersey & shoulder pad. The moment they get outside, pulling the defender with them as they lose leverage, it’s a hold.
 
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Southern Oz said:
Will this be an anomaly for Cam though? He was turnover prone last year and that fumble was bad.
Best case scenario that pass is incomplete, just eat the ball there and punt it away.
People say, that’s who he is, you have to live with it…I dunno.

And I love that we have an offence, and he is a playmaker and someone we have never had at qb. He is kinda what we hoped D’eriq King would be. The picks, whatever, they happen and the luck element of turnovers means we won’t have another game like this, but I would rather not find out.

If that happens, our defence will be fine. 4-5 stops in a game is enough probably with the way we are scoring.
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16 picks in almost 1,000 passing attempts at WSU. I think it’s safe to say we’re not going to see too many multi-interception games from him.
 
ageezy said:
guys ... the topic speaks to our second half defense over a 5 game span thus far ... for all of our shortcomings we only gave up 10pts in the second half ... those are facts ... add to it that we've only given up 20 second half points all year, that's **** good to this point
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Going back to what Guidry said about adjustments- in the first half, teams have new wrinkles in the offense that don't show up on previous film. In the second half, they do what is on film so it's easier to stop since he's gameplanned for it. We've given up a ton of yards in the first half of the last two games. It doesn't seem like Guidry can adjust particularly well if teams aren't doing things that he's studied in the filmroom.
 
DTP said:
16 picks in almost 1,000 passing attempts at WSU. I think it’s safe to say we’re not going to see too many multi-interception games from him.
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I agree, it was more the fumble that I didn’t love, and I bet he didn’t either. I know what he was thinking there, just wasn’t great.

Again, I am just riding the wave of having an awesome offence. I think the last time I was truely excited about an offence, and not to this level, was the Stephen Morris/Jedd Fisch operation.

I am derailing this thread badly here.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Going back to what Guidry said about adjustments- in the first half, teams have new wrinkles in the offense that don't show up on previous film. In the second half, they do what is on film so it's easier to stop since he's gameplanned for it. We've given up a ton of yards in the first half of the last two games. It doesn't seem like Guidry can adjust particularly well if teams aren't doing things that he's studied in the filmroom.
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It was also super smart for Guidry to say that out loud...
 
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Southern Oz said:
Will this be an anomaly for Cam though? He was turnover prone last year and that fumble was bad.
Best case scenario that pass is incomplete, just eat the ball there and punt it away.
People say, that’s who he is, you have to live with it…I dunno.

And I love that we have an offence, and he is a playmaker and someone we have never had at qb. He is kinda what we hoped D’eriq King would be. The picks, whatever, they happen and the luck element of turnovers means we won’t have another game like this, but I would rather not find out.

If that happens, our defence will be fine. 4-5 stops in a game is enough probably with the way we are scoring.
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Just eat the ball and punt away sounds good

But he also could have done that when he completed potentially the game saving pass to Riley

I agree that you hope the situation dictates it but sometimes it’s not that easy
 
JHallCanes said:
Just eat the ball and punt away sounds good

But he also could have done that when he completed potentially the game saving pass to Riley

I agree that you hope the situation dictates it but sometimes it’s not that easy
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Yeah I get it, and I would definitely rather have the ability to do what he did on that last drive and take some of the issues that come with that.

I guess a next step for him is to understand when to go hero ball mode and when not to. It’s something the best of the best are able to do really well.

Again, we are favourites for the ACC (mostly) because of him. The only issue he maybe has created is that fans (myself included) expect us to score on every drive.
 
Southern Oz said:
Yeah I get it, and I would definitely rather have the ability to do what he did on that last drive and take some of the issues that come with that.

I guess a next step for him is to understand when to go hero ball mode and when not to. It’s something the best of the best are able to do really well.

Again, we are favourites for the ACC (mostly) because of him. The only issue he maybe has created is that fans (myself included) expect us to score on every drive.
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I agree you do need to understand the situation

Staying in the moment has been a struggle for the team at times. Taunting and celebrating as USF is lining up for their next play for example

**** kids I tell ya…
 
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JHallCanes said:
I agree you do need to understand the situation

Staying in the moment has been a struggle for the team at times. Taunting and celebrating as USF is lining up for their next play for example

**** kids I tell ya…
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I coach a heap of high school sport down here in Australia. It’s the same here.
 
MedleyCane said:
Is this really true?
You don't put out great defenses in the Big10 without having great football players, which they have for a long time.

I did a quick search and this seems to be true:

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I'm in B1G country. Iowa does more with less. Their DC keeps them winning even without top recruits.
 
JHallCanes said:
I agree you do need to understand the situation

Staying in the moment has been a struggle for the team at times. Taunting and celebrating as USF is lining up for their next play for example

**** kids I tell ya…
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I’ve read a bunch of child rearing books to figure out how to get my kids to stop doing stupid ****. When I was a kid my parents would just beat the **** out of me and I quickly learned my lesson, but apparently that’s frowned upon now. The child care books say to change behavior, you should do positive reinforcement for good behavior and a reward.

So here’s my advice to Cristobal- when the players don’t celebrate after a tackle and go line up immediately , praise them for the good behavior . They then “earn” one point which he marks on a colorful chart. When the players have earned 10 points, they get to pick out a LEGO set under $15. Problem solved by the end of October, guaranteed.
 
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