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Bottom line regarding Shannon vs Golden.
Had Golden left, he would have left this program in better shape then how he inherited it.
When Shannon left, he left it worse then when he took it over.
 
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CaneAlmighty said:
Bottom line regarding Shannon vs Golden.
Had Golden left, he would have left this program in better shape then how he inherited it.
When Shannon left, he left it worse then when he took it over.
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How? When the moderate success he has accomplished is mostly done with Shannon players, how can you say that? He inherited the commitments from Duke and Dorsett as well... Don't get me wrong I have said its going to take 6 years mostly because we do need to give a coach chance(if he fails after 6 years we can gain the trust of a prominent coach if we offer the right $)... However, what has he done to make you say he would have left it in a better position? The numbers are identical despite the weak OOC's and we're still inconsistent while the players draft stocks continue to fall... The guy is doing the same thing... Which in all honesty is bad because this is not his 1st gig...

I'm still giving him 6 years but I'm not absolving him from his short comings especially when we saw this movie 4 years ago...
 
BMS242 said:
HarryCarayisGoat said:
If Randy Shannon had Duke Johnson in 09, we'd have played in a BCS game at minimum. Only game we still possibly lose is Va Tech.

If Golden did not have Duke johnson, his record over the last two years is probably 12-13.
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Naw we probably would have still lost... Jacory threw like 12 picks in those losses... I like Jacory... I think he was a good qb but he had a massive flaw... Interceptions!!! Kid threw a lot yards, tds and had a high completion percentage(probably highest in school history) but those pics man... VT(worst game of Graham's career), Clemson(pic city, Duke would have scored in OT though), UNC(pic capital) but the Champs bowl all we needed was a td... Duke would have scored... We would have been a double digit squad...
 
Golden > Shannon cause we're not on NCAA's whipping list anymore. I like Randy but he was not a great head coach here at the U.
 
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Golden has a lot to prove but comparing him to Shannon is ridiculous. He was on par with Charlie Weis, Kragthorpe, and other awful coaches. He was a joke.
 
Golden has WAAAAAAAAY more pillars than Shannon. Way more.

So the point of this is we could be mediocre with Shannon for less money?
 
lauderdaleballer said:
CaneAlmighty said:
Bottom line regarding Shannon vs Golden.
Had Golden left, he would have left this program in better shape then how he inherited it.
When Shannon left, he left it worse then when he took it over.
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How? When the moderate success he has accomplished is mostly done with Shannon players, how can you say that? He inherited the commitments from Duke and Dorsett as well... Don't get me wrong I have said its going to take 6 years mostly because we do need to give a coach chance(if he fails after 6 years we can gain the trust of a prominent coach if we offer the right $)... However, what has he done to make you say he would have left it in a better position? The numbers are identical despite the weak OOC's and we're still inconsistent while the players draft stocks continue to fall... The guy is doing the same thing... Which in all honesty is bad because this is not his 1st gig...

I'm still giving him 6 years but I'm not absolving him from his short comings especially when we saw this movie 4 years ago...
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C'mon laudy daudy Shannon left a roster full of holes and thin on depth. 3 players were committed when he was fired.
Compare that to what Golden would leave the next coach if he had decided to leave.
Not even close.
I'm not even stuck on the W/L records when comparing the 2. Circumstance had a lot to do with that.
 
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CaneAlmighty said:
lauderdaleballer said:
CaneAlmighty said:
Bottom line regarding Shannon vs Golden.
Had Golden left, he would have left this program in better shape then how he inherited it.
When Shannon left, he left it worse then when he took it over.
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How? When the moderate success he has accomplished is mostly done with Shannon players, how can you say that? He inherited the commitments from Duke and Dorsett as well... Don't get me wrong I have said its going to take 6 years mostly because we do need to give a coach chance(if he fails after 6 years we can gain the trust of a prominent coach if we offer the right $)... However, what has he done to make you say he would have left it in a better position? The numbers are identical despite the weak OOC's and we're still inconsistent while the players draft stocks continue to fall... The guy is doing the same thing... Which in all honesty is bad because this is not his 1st gig...

I'm still giving him 6 years but I'm not absolving him from his short comings especially when we saw this movie 4 years ago...
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C'mon laudy daudy Shannon left a roster full of holes and thin on depth. 3 players were committed when he was fired.
Compare that to what Golden would leave the next coach if he had decided to leave.
Not even close.
I'm not even stuck on the W/L records when comparing the 2. Circumstance had a lot to do with that.
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He'll leave a full roster but would they be quality players... He loses like 10 players a year man... And very few of his players have contributed... Yea RS didn't have many committee but lets remember the admin cancelled every recruiting visit scheduled until the hired a HC... Howeve the few commits RS left for Golden are recognized as his best players... The moderate success Golden has accomplished is attributed to the players left by RS... If Golden leave outside a few players there are a number of holes where you can't say the team would be better... I can't say the team would be better... No one can... Aside from about 5 players we just don't know...
 
lauderdaleballer said:
He'll leave a full roster but would they be quality players... He loses like 10 players a year man... And very few of his players have contributed... Yea RS didn't have many committee but lets remember the admin cancelled every recruiting visit scheduled until the hired a HC... Howeve the few commits RS left for Golden are recognized as his best players... The moderate success Golden has accomplished is attributed to the players left by RS... If Golden leave outside a few players there are a number of holes where you can't say the team would be better... I can't say the team would be better... No one can... Aside from about 5 players we just don't know...
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Just stop with the propaganda .
 
No, the UM administration did not cancel any official visits. Shannon had none set up.
 
I'd add Randy replaced bad coordinators. Golden has not.
Would also like to see number of games where we gave up 500+ yards to opponents

To be fair, I'd compare offensive stats.
 
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nystateofmind said:
Golden vs Shannon

AG has 1 more win in 3 years
AG earns more than a million more
AG lost to Duke, RS never did
AG has never beaten FSU, RS did
AG has never beaten a good (10+ win) team, RS has
AG has the worse defense in the ACC, RS hasd top 3 consistently
AG played the easiest schedule in Miami history in 2013 (Miami finished with 9-4 record)
RS played the most difficult schedule in 2009 (Miami finished with 9-4 record)
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I liked Randy. There - I said it. I also like Golden - uh oh.
 
MIA42178 said:
I'd add Randy replaced bad coordinators. Golden has not.
Would also like to see number of games where we gave up 500+ yards to opponents

To be fair, I'd compare offensive stats.
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Randy fired a current NFL D coordinator. Just sayin'.
 
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allCanesBlog.com said:
RS took over a program that was 25-12 the previous three seasons, was four years removed from a BCS appearance, five years removed from a title game appearance and six years removed from a national championship. Talent-wise, Shannon's first team had the following players (and still went 5-7):

Allen Bailey, Damien Berry, Matt Bosher, Calais Campbell, Graig Cooper, Antonio Dixon, Dedrick Epps, Jason Fox, Orlando Franklin, Tavares Gooden, Richard Gordon, Leonard Hankerson, Javarris James, Darnell Jenkins, Lance Leggett, Colin McCarthy, Eric Moncur, Derrick Morse, JoJo Nicolas, Adewale Ojomo, Kenny Phillips, Anthony Reddick, Darryl Sharpton, Sam Shields, AJ Trump, DeMarcus Van Dyke and Reggie Youngblood.

Miami still had a "winning" culture at the time, outside the disastrous 2006 year—7-6 ... Louisville logo stomp ... FIU brawl ... Pata murder ... four-game losing streak down stretch before miracle win over BC. Prior to that it was 9-3 and 9-3 before the four-straight BCS game era and the 46-3 run.

As for that "win" over Florida State in 2007, it's laughable that anyone would actually "credit" Shannon for that. C'mon now.

Outlasting a garbage 7-6 Seminoles team by some miracle play by Kirby "1-of-14" Freeman is hardly the same as Florida State 2011-2013 which Al had to face.
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what a bad post. 1/3 of those guys were complete busts, 1/3 Randy recruited himself, and the last 1/3 were on the roster. Go look at that year's roster and remove all of the recruits that came in that class and see what you have left. I will fault Randy for not leaving much to Golden, but its not like Randy got a full cupboard to work with either.
 
poncho0091 said:
allCanesBlog.com said:
RS took over a program that was 25-12 the previous three seasons, was four years removed from a BCS appearance, five years removed from a title game appearance and six years removed from a national championship. Talent-wise, Shannon's first team had the following players (and still went 5-7):

Allen Bailey, Damien Berry, Matt Bosher, Calais Campbell, Graig Cooper, Antonio Dixon, Dedrick Epps, Jason Fox, Orlando Franklin, Tavares Gooden, Richard Gordon, Leonard Hankerson, Javarris James, Darnell Jenkins, Lance Leggett, Colin McCarthy, Eric Moncur, Derrick Morse, JoJo Nicolas, Adewale Ojomo, Kenny Phillips, Anthony Reddick, Darryl Sharpton, Sam Shields, AJ Trump, DeMarcus Van Dyke and Reggie Youngblood.

Miami still had a "winning" culture at the time, outside the disastrous 2006 year—7-6 ... Louisville logo stomp ... FIU brawl ... Pata murder ... four-game losing streak down stretch before miracle win over BC. Prior to that it was 9-3 and 9-3 before the four-straight BCS game era and the 46-3 run.

As for that "win" over Florida State in 2007, it's laughable that anyone would actually "credit" Shannon for that. C'mon now.

Outlasting a garbage 7-6 Seminoles team by some miracle play by Kirby "1-of-14" Freeman is hardly the same as Florida State 2011-2013 which Al had to face.
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what a bad post. 1/3 of those guys were complete busts, 1/3 Randy recruited himself, and the last 1/3 were on the roster. Go look at that year's roster and remove all of the recruits that came in that class and see what you have left. I will fault Randy for not leaving much to Golden, but its not like Randy got a full cupboard to work with either.
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he was number 2 on that staff that left him the empty cupboard
 
DaU83 said:
poncho0091 said:
allCanesBlog.com said:
RS took over a program that was 25-12 the previous three seasons, was four years removed from a BCS appearance, five years removed from a title game appearance and six years removed from a national championship. Talent-wise, Shannon's first team had the following players (and still went 5-7):

Allen Bailey, Damien Berry, Matt Bosher, Calais Campbell, Graig Cooper, Antonio Dixon, Dedrick Epps, Jason Fox, Orlando Franklin, Tavares Gooden, Richard Gordon, Leonard Hankerson, Javarris James, Darnell Jenkins, Lance Leggett, Colin McCarthy, Eric Moncur, Derrick Morse, JoJo Nicolas, Adewale Ojomo, Kenny Phillips, Anthony Reddick, Darryl Sharpton, Sam Shields, AJ Trump, DeMarcus Van Dyke and Reggie Youngblood.

Miami still had a "winning" culture at the time, outside the disastrous 2006 year—7-6 ... Louisville logo stomp ... FIU brawl ... Pata murder ... four-game losing streak down stretch before miracle win over BC. Prior to that it was 9-3 and 9-3 before the four-straight BCS game era and the 46-3 run.

As for that "win" over Florida State in 2007, it's laughable that anyone would actually "credit" Shannon for that. C'mon now.

Outlasting a garbage 7-6 Seminoles team by some miracle play by Kirby "1-of-14" Freeman is hardly the same as Florida State 2011-2013 which Al had to face.
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what a bad post. 1/3 of those guys were complete busts, 1/3 Randy recruited himself, and the last 1/3 were on the roster. Go look at that year's roster and remove all of the recruits that came in that class and see what you have left. I will fault Randy for not leaving much to Golden, but its not like Randy got a full cupboard to work with either.
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he was number 2 on that staff that left him the empty cupboard
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Randy was not the best recruiter obviously, but do you think he was the head man in charge of recruiting when Coker was in charge? In the end, the final choices lie on the HC.
 
Randy's 2011 "class" was inexcusable. And he would've been a PR disaster during the NCAA investigation.

I would have rather had Golden for the past three years. However, Golden is showing a lot of the same flaws as an evaluator that Shannon had.
 
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