We'll just have to agree to disagree on that then. With Coley, Hurns, Walford, Waters, Dorsett (until his injury) at wideout, and Duke at RB, we have an embarrassment of playmakers. Often one or a few of them are wide open for the shorter throws, and they are all capable of making big plays from short throws, but Morris instead decides to chuck it into double coverage way down field.
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Ryan Williams.. Is It Time To Start Him?
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on that then. With Coley, Hurns, Walford, Waters, Dorsett (until his injury) at wideout, and Duke at RB, we have an embarrassment of playmakers. Often one or a few of them are wide open for the shorter throws, and they are all capable of making big plays from short throws, but Morris instead decides to chuck it into double coverage way down field.
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Rettig isn't a game manager. He's a very good QB with very good accuracy who plays with a bunch of soap horses for receivers.
Exactly. There's occasionally erratic from one game to another, but that's not Morris' issue. He's CONSISTENTLY erratic from play to play within each and ever game he plays, and it's getting worse, not better.
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I'm a Lions fan and have watched every one of Stafford's NFL games, and I can assure there is NO comparison between the 2. You might some highlights here and there, but I've watched every play he's made as a pro.
The "lesser" extent thing doesn't change the fact that you compared the two guys, and it's a poor comparison. I could say Rosie O'Donnell has some similarities to Miranda Kerr and not be completely wrong either.
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do Johnson is fumbled in the last two games should we bench him and start Dallas Crawford? no you don't you work through it Morris had a bad game yes 4 picks it happens if you tell me we were playing a Thursday night game the stadium was packed everybody was wearing the dark jerseyswe have in the first time horrible offense ive production our o-line is given up negative plays Morris throws 4 ints and we still won the game not to mention our defense only allows 6 points in the second half this team loses the game last year and any other year its a loss
lolwat?
He's talkin jibberish!
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I didn't compare the two guys. I compared some of the issues they had in college and some of their ongoing issues. If you'd compare Rose O'Donnell's similarities to Miranda Kerr, then the focus would be on whatever attributes you mention. Wouldn't be too hard. Are you saying Stafford wasn't erratic in college and early in his NFL career? Now, add "lesser" in there to go more toward Josh Freeman.
do Johnson is fumbled in the last two games should we bench him and start Dallas Crawford? no you don't you work through it Morris had a bad game yes 4 picks it happens if you tell me we were playing a Thursday night game the stadium was packed everybody was wearing the dark jerseyswe have in the first time horrible offense ive production our o-line is given up negative plays Morris throws 4 ints and we still won the game not to mention our defense only allows 6 points in the second half this team loses the game last year and any other year its a loss
lolwat?
He's talkin jibberish!
Whut? Nominate as candidate for run-on sentence of the year.
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Just my opinon but...
Morris isn't able to be as good as he can because he isn't as good as he thinks he is.
In his head, he is a potential first-round pick, All-ACC, top-flight quarterback. I'm not saying he couldnt be. But I think he thinks he already is at that level. So he makes mind-numbingly bad decisions, slings off his backfoot, doesn't step into his throws because he thinks he is already at that level and can do that.
What is so disappointing, to me, is I really expected to see a much sharper Morris last night. I thought GT was just a sore ankle. But the issues were before GT. I thought last night with the extra time off, we would see Morris drop, set, plant step into this pass and follow through.
We didn't. And does anyone doubt that the game would be drastically different but for those four picks? (Aside from D'onofrio forgetting to gameplan for UNC's best receiver).
It was one of the most inexplicable, cringe-worthy bad performances: Kirby-esque is the only way I can describe it.
I wouldn't necessarily bench him. But I would go ahead and give Williams more reps with the first team the first practice back in Coral Gables. ****, maybe give him the entire practice there. A message needs to be sent that it really doesn't matter what the name on the back of your jersey says, if you aren't getting the job done then we will find someone who will.
Morris isn't able to be as good as he can because he isn't as good as he thinks he is.
In his head, he is a potential first-round pick, All-ACC, top-flight quarterback. I'm not saying he couldnt be. But I think he thinks he already is at that level. So he makes mind-numbingly bad decisions, slings off his backfoot, doesn't step into his throws because he thinks he is already at that level and can do that.
What is so disappointing, to me, is I really expected to see a much sharper Morris last night. I thought GT was just a sore ankle. But the issues were before GT. I thought last night with the extra time off, we would see Morris drop, set, plant step into this pass and follow through.
We didn't. And does anyone doubt that the game would be drastically different but for those four picks? (Aside from D'onofrio forgetting to gameplan for UNC's best receiver).
It was one of the most inexplicable, cringe-worthy bad performances: Kirby-esque is the only way I can describe it.
I wouldn't necessarily bench him. But I would go ahead and give Williams more reps with the first team the first practice back in Coral Gables. ****, maybe give him the entire practice there. A message needs to be sent that it really doesn't matter what the name on the back of your jersey says, if you aren't getting the job done then we will find someone who will.
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Agree with this, so the answer may be to tweak the offense into a slower tempo, field position philosophy as the defense has proven they are ready to take on the load. I would love to see our D start off with opponents inside their 20 more often
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I actually thought that Morris was very good against GT, outside of those two bone headed throws. Obviously, last night he was beyond awful, but after sleeping on it I think you need to play him vs Wake and get his confidence back up. He's shown that once he gets in a rhythm he's very good. Wake is a good opponent to get that going against.
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Not too many rookie QBs on really terrible teams that weren't somewhat erratic in their early career. Peyton Manning was horribly erratic.
The Stafford comparison sucks. The Freeman one looks accurate.
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And Lincoln had a great time at the play until he took that lead in his dome.
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Stafford went into the league (which is the only way we can compare a college senior Morris) with the label as erratic and it even plagued him to the point of last year. He's having a cleaner year this year w/ the underneath stuff. To get back to the point of this (which isn't even the level of Stafford), what would you say about someone lesser than Stafford, but slightly above Freeman? Does that sound closer to what Morris might be?
Not a rhetorical question or making a point. Wondering if that sounds like what you feel about Morris.
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To me Morris is the same QB he has always been - consistently inconsistent. I believe our coaches know who Steven is as a player and will keep him in the line up. Against FSU and Va Tech, they will call plays to try to keep him from doing what he did last night just like they did against uf.
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Morris is our QB this year, you ride him until the end. If it really is the ankle then you sit him versus Wake to get him healthier.
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He should have never played vs USF, and GT. That would have gave him 4 weeks to recover for last nights game, and would allowed him to be healthy for the remainder of the season.
Few thoughts:
-- Morris isn't close to what Stafford was in college or now in the pros. Stafford has a ****sure, confident mentality that Morris lacks. He came out of Georgia the obvious No. 1 quarterback and player in the draft.
-- Some of the blame with Morris falls on the offensive coordinator. Granted, we struggled to complete even screen passes last night, but seems like he's called on to throw too many difficult, low percentage passes. Why don't we clear out and work the middle of the field, both with wideouts and tight ends? What about crossing patterns? Why not use Sandland in the red zone or by the goal line?
-- I nearly busted the TV a half-dozen times last night in frustration with Morris, but anyone suggesting Williams is the answer either don't understand the game or are closet Seminole/Gator fans. I would have had no problem giving Williams a series in the 2nd Qt, so Morris could calm down and clear his head. But anything beyond that sends a terrible message to the team, further damages Morris' psyche and creates unnecessary drama going forward. Clearly, Williams can't make some of the throws Morris can, but he has absolutely no mobility and shrinks in the pocket under pressure. Going forward, Williams would be a sitting duck against the pressure we're going to face from FSU and Va Tech. It's best to hope Morris can continue to get healthy, regain confidence, improve mechanics (throwing off back foot is a problem) and that the play calling picks it up a notch.
-- Morris isn't close to what Stafford was in college or now in the pros. Stafford has a ****sure, confident mentality that Morris lacks. He came out of Georgia the obvious No. 1 quarterback and player in the draft.
-- Some of the blame with Morris falls on the offensive coordinator. Granted, we struggled to complete even screen passes last night, but seems like he's called on to throw too many difficult, low percentage passes. Why don't we clear out and work the middle of the field, both with wideouts and tight ends? What about crossing patterns? Why not use Sandland in the red zone or by the goal line?
-- I nearly busted the TV a half-dozen times last night in frustration with Morris, but anyone suggesting Williams is the answer either don't understand the game or are closet Seminole/Gator fans. I would have had no problem giving Williams a series in the 2nd Qt, so Morris could calm down and clear his head. But anything beyond that sends a terrible message to the team, further damages Morris' psyche and creates unnecessary drama going forward. Clearly, Williams can't make some of the throws Morris can, but he has absolutely no mobility and shrinks in the pocket under pressure. Going forward, Williams would be a sitting duck against the pressure we're going to face from FSU and Va Tech. It's best to hope Morris can continue to get healthy, regain confidence, improve mechanics (throwing off back foot is a problem) and that the play calling picks it up a notch.
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No one has directly compared him to Stafford (or Stafford's level) at any point. If someone shows me where I did, I'll eat crow. If not, it's just a diversion. I mentioned Stafford's to be able to talk about erratic play, footwork and making reads. Also, to be able place Morris in a range (beneath Stafford and above Josh Freeman). It sounds like some people think he's directly on the level of Josh Freeman (as a prospect coming out).
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