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brock said:
After rewatching the game , the running game wasn’t as bad as I thought Watching it live. Our rbs missed a few holes which could have went for bigger gains. Martinez who played great missed 2 that he would have housed for long yardage
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Our Passing Offense - fast, quick strike, downfield attacking, big plays
Our Rushing Offense - big backs, power, wear you down, consistent chunk runs (but not many big plays)

I'm guessing our running game might get over-criticized this year and "feel" worse than it is (although I expect it to be highly effective) because it's going to be boring in comparison to our big play passing attack.

It's just a weird clash of styles when paired together.

I don't think we've had 2 big backs as our 1-2 punch in over 30 years.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Our Passing Offense - fast, quick strike, downfield attacking, big plays
Our Rushing Offense - big backs, power, wear you down, consistent chunk runs (but not many big plays)

I'm guessing our running game might get over-criticized this year and "feel" worse than it is (although I expect it to be highly effective) because it's going to be boring in comparison to our big play passing attack.

It's just a weird clash of styles when paired together.

I don't think we've had 2 big backs as our 1-2 punch in over 30 years.
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Most fans want all the flash (passing game) and aren’t that concerned about the substance (running game) UNLESS they’re chunk running gains. Most don’t understand that the running game sets up much of the other offense.
 
bshaw28 said:
Our Passing Offense - fast, quick strike, downfield attacking, big plays
Our Rushing Offense - big backs, power, wear you down, consistent chunk runs (but not many big plays)

I'm guessing our running game might get over-criticized this year and "feel" worse than it is (although I expect it to be highly effective) because it's going to be boring in comparison to our big play passing attack.

It's just a weird clash of styles when paired together.

I don't think we've had 2 big backs as our 1-2 punch in over 30 years.
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This is facts, pretty polarizing styles but I think It’s going to work well this season. Still want to see more Chris Johnson out there, want to see that breakaway speed in action
 
Bender said:
The point of tight splits is to collapse the interior and allow the RB to bounce a run out wide in a 1v1 vs a CB (which is what you want).

Take a quick guess why Rhamondre Stevenson, who is a ******* tank, ran wild vs the Bengals... ran duo inside and he bounced it. More often than not, Martinez is still dancing behind a line instead of simply hitting the hole in front of him.

See hole, hit hole. We have too much dancing.
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No no no

Dawson uses tighter splits because he’s being forced to run Mario’s preference

You can’t possibly be cool and innovative and creative on offense with the OL so close to eachother!

/heavy sarcasm for my slower friends
 
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I have a question for the board and people who are way more familiar with the technical aspects:

If you go back and look at Portis, McGahee, and Gore their body postures while running were very similar. They leaned into the direction they were going and their bodies were very low to the ground, almost like sprinters coming off the blocks. Guys like Martinez and Fletcher, and a lot of our backs recently, seem to run much more upright. Is that simply a difference in running style or is that posture the most effective way to run? Those guys looked like missiles trying to find a target.

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Bunker Mentality said:
I don't believe Dawson is trying to show too much in a game with FAMU. Seems like they wanted to work on basic plays, which should still be executed at a high level but haven't really been blocked well.

I anticipate more of the same bread and butter plays against Ball State. I imagine they'll save the more creative alignments and personnel versatility with no-huddle for more challenging situations/opponents.
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We say this every year just to see the same inside zone A gap handoffs all year long. It's been mentioned but it's true. Good Dc's will stuff the box and squeeze those gaps knowing we run inside the tackles 95% of the time.

So far we have run like 4 plays outside the tackles. That's not diverse and will lead to the grinding run in to a wall situations that await vs better smarter teams.
 
HardCane said:
We say this every year just to see the same inside zone A gap handoffs all year long. It's been mentioned but it's true. Good Dc's will stuff the box and squeeze those gaps knowing we run inside the tackles 95% of the time.

So far we have run like 4 plays outside the tackles. That's not diverse and will lead to the grinding run in to a wall situations that await vs better smarter teams.
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That's the identity Mario wants to develop and you need to bank live reps early on to be better later in the season, so RBs need to press and then cut back or bounce it outside.

For me it's not so much the play-call as it is the execution; blocking has been horrific at times. Mario, Mirabal, Merritt and Dawson have enough experience to design all types of running plays; but can the players execute them effectively?

I've seen lapses in WR blocking (specifically from Brown), so let's start with fundamental concepts and get 9 guys executing their assignments before we get all exotic. Phone-booth warfare with condensed sets is a good way to get work so we're better by the end of the season.

Mastery of basic concepts is essential in learning; how well/quickly people can develop skills will determine how much you can teach them.

They've been at this for Spring, Summer and Fall sessions, so I'd like to see more focus from all 9 dudes run-blocking and RBs making the right reads. Reviewing film and practicing hard can help, but If it doesn't clean up you have the find the right 11 to make it work or recruit better talent in the offseason.

Let's look for cleaner and more consistent execution against Ball St.
 
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hurricaneman said:
I have a question for the board and people who are way more familiar with the technical aspects:

If you go back and look at Portis, McGahee, and Gore their body postures while running were very similar. They leaned into the direction they were going and their bodies were very low to the ground, almost like sprinters coming off the blocks. Guys like Martinez and Fletcher, and a lot of our backs recently, seem to run much more upright. Is that simply a difference in running style or is that posture the most effective way to run? Those guys looked like missiles trying to find a target.

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I don’t know the specifics, id think its just natural for those guys but little things like this is what separates players and most fans dont see it.
 
brock said:
After rewatching the game , the running game wasn’t as bad as I thought Watching it live. Our rbs missed a few holes which could have went for bigger gains. Martinez who played great missed 2 that he would have housed for long yardage
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2nd half was great. Mccoy really stood out to me, his run blocking was the key to the big runs, lowkey was the mvp of that half
 
hurricaneman said:
I have a question for the board and people who are way more familiar with the technical aspects:

If you go back and look at Portis, McGahee, and Gore their body postures while running were very similar. They leaned into the direction they were going and their bodies were very low to the ground, almost like sprinters coming off the blocks. Guys like Martinez and Fletcher, and a lot of our backs recently, seem to run much more upright. Is that simply a difference in running style or is that posture the most effective way to run? Those guys looked like missiles trying to find a target.

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"Running low" to the ground is good, makes you more difficult to tackle. Most great RBs do that, regardless of height (though it's easier for a shorter back).

I haven't noticed that Martinez and Fletcher run upright. Will have to focus on them more.
 
Combo said:
"Running low" to the ground is good, makes you more difficult to tackle. Most great RBs do that, regardless of height (though it's easier for a shorter back).

I haven't noticed that Martinez and Fletcher run upright. Will have to focus on them more.
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They all show it but watch the run at 2:11 for Portis



 
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If Miami is going to make serious push into the playoffs then the running game needs to be addressed. You remove Jordan’s long touchdown run and our run game looks pathetic.
 
SinisterCane said:
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If Miami is going to make serious push into the playoffs then the running game needs to be addressed. You remove Jordan’s long touchdown run and our run game looks pathetic.
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we can run the ball but passing with Cam is our biggest strength we got a lot of weapons ..all that ground n pound ish over we goin up top ..we running the ball when the game outta hand
 
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SinisterCane said:
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If Miami is going to make serious push into the playoffs then the running game needs to be addressed. You remove Jordan’s long touchdown run and our run game looks pathetic.
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i never get these ridiculous posts


"if you remove our biggest play, then we sucked" yeah that's kind of the point to play and then bust one

not to mention we were absolutely torching them in the pass game and we were still able to get short yardage first down and TD's with the run game - so it was working
 
407cane said:
it's very clear what we're doing, it's smart and it's working

pass early and often, wear the defense down, and then run in the second half to put the game away

if they have to pivot they will
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Again, if you are serious about making it deep into the playoffs, we’re gonna have to run better………simple as that
 
SinisterCane said:
Again, if you are serious about making it deep into the playoffs, we’re gonna have to run better………simple as that
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if we're going deep in the playoffs we'll need to be better at everything

but the notion that big plays don't count and we sucked is dumb

we were very effective on the ground, small runs lead to big runs and we don't get to just not count the good stuff and ***** about the bad stuff

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