Response to Hurricane Club Fundraising Email

AMericans vote with their dollars. That's the beauty of it.

A while back Dapper posted the annual football revenue numbers for the past decade. The decline in revenue after coker's debacle against LSU in the bowl game was notable. Seeing 55,000 people in the pouring rain against Va Tech then seeing only 25,000 a week later for senior day against UVa was a very telling sign for me. If UM management doesnt step in soon, my fear is that we are one bad performance next year away from a total fan meltdown. And Im not talking a message board meltdown, Im talking about the type of meltdown that affects the AD's coffers.

While that's all well and good, the true impact of the slide in revenue after Coker's debacle against LSU was that we had such a paltry amount to offer a prospective coach that we were forced to go with Randy Shannon for under 1 mil/yr.

Voting with one's dollar has undeniable effects, indeed.

I have never seen a poster be so wildly wrong on so many issues. One has to think that u are really just a Heel in heel country.

Repeat after me: Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches in football at the time of his firing. Please stop spreading false assumptions that the University is some little sister of the poor.

I'm aware of what we paid Coker--AFTER he won a national title. As I already explained to you, UM has generally hired coaches at the midpoint of the salary range in our league. They provide raises based on performance at UM. This is why Golden was hired at 1.8 mil or so (which was league average at the time) and has received a bump based on his ability to shepherd us through the NCAA stuff.

Back when Coker left, we didn't have the money to hire at the midrange, as we normally do. And why didn't we have that money??? 1111111111111111111111111111where we get that money from....

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Instead of contributing $$ that could be used to hire a competent DC, you've chosen to withhold your money, thereby ensuring we're stuck with Coach D. Awesome.

Actually, once again, you are completely incorrect.

What the OP is doing is saying he is not going to spend money while a complete incompetent is retained for half a million bucks a year. If the U canned him, he'd be GLAD to donate (if asked) to hire someone who belongs here.

And just preemptively: the world is in fact round. Now we won't have to correct another total false belief of yours.
 
Instead of contributing $$ that could be used to hire a competent DC, you've chosen to withhold your money, thereby ensuring we're stuck with Coach D. Awesome.

Actually, once again, you are completely incorrect.

What the OP is doing is saying he is not going to spend money while a complete incompetent is retained for half a million bucks a year. If the U canned him, he'd be GLAD to donate (if asked) to hire someone who belongs here.

And just preemptively: the world is in fact round. Now we won't have to correct another total false belief of yours.

You're awfully arrogant for having no common sense or business sense whatsoever.
 
AMericans vote with their dollars. That's the beauty of it.

A while back Dapper posted the annual football revenue numbers for the past decade. The decline in revenue after coker's debacle against LSU in the bowl game was notable. Seeing 55,000 people in the pouring rain against Va Tech then seeing only 25,000 a week later for senior day against UVa was a very telling sign for me. If UM management doesnt step in soon, my fear is that we are one bad performance next year away from a total fan meltdown. And Im not talking a message board meltdown, Im talking about the type of meltdown that affects the AD's coffers.

While that's all well and good, the true impact of the slide in revenue after Coker's debacle against LSU was that we had such a paltry amount to offer a prospective coach that we were forced to go with Randy Shannon for under 1 mil/yr.

Voting with one's dollar has undeniable effects, indeed.

I have never seen a poster be so wildly wrong on so many issues. One has to think that u are really just a Heel in heel country.

Repeat after me: Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches in football at the time of his firing. Please stop spreading false assumptions that the University is some little sister of the poor.

I'm aware of what we paid Coker--AFTER he won a national title. As I already explained to you, UM has generally hired coaches at the midpoint of the salary range in our league. They provide raises based on performance at UM. This is why Golden was hired at 1.8 mil or so (which was league average at the time) and has received a bump based on his ability to shepherd us through the NCAA stuff.

Back when Coker left, we didn't have the money to hire at the midrange, as we normally do. And why didn't we have that money??? Because fools like you have no clue where we get that money from....

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You proved your own point wrong. Miami pays midrange. But that's by choice, bc clearly they are capable of paying among the elite salaries, they just chose not to until a coach proves he wins.

This may come as a massive shock to you, but Randy agreed to the salary. Miami felt he was a fit for the job, and offered what they felt he deserved/would accept, and he accepted.

Did anyone get a call from UM saying "we just fired Coker and have a buyout to pay, please help us so we can get a new coach"......if the U needed money, or more importantly WANTED money for an elite coach, they would ask for it.

Do not confuse lack of means with lack of desire.
 
AMericans vote with their dollars. That's the beauty of it.

A while back Dapper posted the annual football revenue numbers for the past decade. The decline in revenue after coker's debacle against LSU in the bowl game was notable. Seeing 55,000 people in the pouring rain against Va Tech then seeing only 25,000 a week later for senior day against UVa was a very telling sign for me. If UM management doesnt step in soon, my fear is that we are one bad performance next year away from a total fan meltdown. And Im not talking a message board meltdown, Im talking about the type of meltdown that affects the AD's coffers.

While that's all well and good, the true impact of the slide in revenue after Coker's debacle against LSU was that we had such a paltry amount to offer a prospective coach that we were forced to go with Randy Shannon for under 1 mil/yr.

Voting with one's dollar has undeniable effects, indeed.

I have never seen a poster be so wildly wrong on so many issues. One has to think that u are really just a Heel in heel country.

Repeat after me: Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches in football at the time of his firing. Please stop spreading false assumptions that the University is some little sister of the poor.

I'm aware of what we paid Coker--AFTER he won a national title. As I already explained to you, UM has generally hired coaches at the midpoint of the salary range in our league. They provide raises based on performance at UM. This is why Golden was hired at 1.8 mil or so (which was league average at the time) and has received a bump based on his ability to shepherd us through the NCAA stuff.

Back when Coker left, we didn't have the money to hire at the midrange, as we normally do. And why didn't we have that money??? Because fools like you have no clue where we get that money from....

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You proved your own point wrong. Miami pays midrange. But that's by choice, bc clearly they are capable of paying among the elite salaries, they just chose not to until a coach proves he wins.

This may come as a massive shock to you, but Randy agreed to the salary. Miami felt he was a fit for the job, and offered what they felt he deserved/would accept, and he accepted.

Did anyone get a call from UM saying "we just fired Coker and have a buyout to pay, please help us so we can get a new coach"......if the U needed money, or more importantly WANTED money for an elite coach, they would ask for it.

Do not confuse lack of means with lack of desire.

LOL...Miami gives raises based on performance...BECAUSE PEOPLE GIVE MORE WHEN WE WIN.

How can you not see the connection there? They have the money to hire at the midrange. And when people begin to donate more money (ie, when the team wins [early Coker years], or when the donors like the job the coach is doing [Golden's first 2 years of shepherding us through the NCAA stuff]) they give the coach a raise.

UM does not lack desire. It lacks a fan base that truly cares about winning enough to donate the funds necessary to have a winning program on a consistent basis.
 
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AMericans vote with their dollars. That's the beauty of it.

A while back Dapper posted the annual football revenue numbers for the past decade. The decline in revenue after coker's debacle against LSU in the bowl game was notable. Seeing 55,000 people in the pouring rain against Va Tech then seeing only 25,000 a week later for senior day against UVa was a very telling sign for me. If UM management doesnt step in soon, my fear is that we are one bad performance next year away from a total fan meltdown. And Im not talking a message board meltdown, Im talking about the type of meltdown that affects the AD's coffers.

While that's all well and good, the true impact of the slide in revenue after Coker's debacle against LSU was that we had such a paltry amount to offer a prospective coach that we were forced to go with Randy Shannon for under 1 mil/yr.

Voting with one's dollar has undeniable effects, indeed.

I have never seen a poster be so wildly wrong on so many issues. One has to think that u are really just a Heel in heel country.

Repeat after me: Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches in football at the time of his firing. Please stop spreading false assumptions that the University is some little sister of the poor.

I'm aware of what we paid Coker--AFTER he won a national title. As I already explained to you, UM has generally hired coaches at the midpoint of the salary range in our league. They provide raises based on performance at UM. This is why Golden was hired at 1.8 mil or so (which was league average at the time) and has received a bump based on his ability to shepherd us through the NCAA stuff.

Back when Coker left, we didn't have the money to hire at the midrange, as we normally do. And why didn't we have that money??? Because fools like you have no clue where we get that money from....

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You proved your own point wrong. Miami pays midrange. But that's by choice, bc clearly they are capable of paying among the elite salaries, they just chose not to until a coach proves he wins.

This may come as a massive shock to you, but Randy agreed to the salary. Miami felt he was a fit for the job, and offered what they felt he deserved/would accept, and he accepted.

Did anyone get a call from UM saying "we just fired Coker and have a buyout to pay, please help us so we can get a new coach"......if the U needed money, or more importantly WANTED money for an elite coach, they would ask for it.

Do not confuse lack of means with lack of desire.

That is ridiculous. Just because at the TIME, Coker's salary was competitive, doesnt mean that we can still keep up with the big Salaries. That was 14 years ago. It was AFTER that when the big explosion in college salaries took place, and UM simply CANNOT compete with the big contracts. All you have to do is look at the Athletic budgets of the schools. On what PLANET do you think UM could afford to pay an HC 3.5-4 Million or more per year? And not JUST the HC, but their assistants? Do you think it was a cooincidence that AFTER Shannon, the best guys we could find were Randy Edsall and Al Golden?

UM can probably pay a little more, but no where NEAR what the big schools can. And Im not sure why you think they would. UM is comparable in size to Tulane and Boston College, more than it is to ND, USC, Alabama, FSU or UF. Those schools also have HUGE alumni bases, which cotribute a LOT of money. UM has a very small, and scattered alumni base, only a part of which cares about football, and many boosters prefer to throw tantrums and refuse to contribute after the team goes 9-4 because they dont like the way a certain coach runs a scheme.
 
For comparative purposes is Michigan's fanbase, you know the ones that sell out their 100k stadium, refusing to donate becuase their head coach won 7 games his 3rd year on the job?
 
Here come the University shills to guilt and scare you into donating your hard earned money for a product they have allowed to fall by the wayside.

If a place of business doesn't respect its customers enough to provide a quality product, then that place of business doesn't deserve your money.
 
The idea that we need 4-5 million for a coach to win is infuriating to me. Yes, it would probably take that much to keep a guy around here long term but in our history that has never happened. Miami's job has historically been a spring board for the NFL or another opportunity.

There are plenty of innovative offensive and defensive minds that would love to make 2 million a year and have the opportunity to win big at Miami. Its our admin's job to find those guys and so far they haven't done a good job.


And I thought OP's email was concise and respectful. Even if you disagree with him, you have to respect his stance on the matter.
 
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If a place of business doesn't respect its customers enough to provide a quality product, then that place of business doesn't deserve your money.


No doubt. And if enough customers stop buying from that business, it'll sink.

Just don't complain if UM football goes out of business...or, in this instance, continues a streak of mediocrity.
 
The idea that we need 4-5 million for a coach to win is infuriating to me. Yes, it would probably take that much to keep a guy around here long term but in our history that has never happened. Miami's job has historically been a spring board for the NFL or another opportunity.

There are plenty of innovative offensive and defensive minds that would love to make 2 million a year and have the opportunity to win big at Miami. Its our admin's job to find those guys and so far they haven't done a good job.

Shannon was an innovative defensive mind who had top-rated defenses and a closet full of coaching awards.

Golden was praised by everyone in the know for his ability to turn Temple around. Since he's been here, he's been courted by PSU twice, UCLA, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.
 
No business in history will or has ever succeeded on the premise that the product will be quality only if you buy more of it. Heel, your logic is so deeply flawed it is LAUGHABLE.

Miami didn't een have a football initiative until this year! If they wanted to make great, higher cost hires, they should have asked for money. But they never did bc IT WASNT A PRIORITY TO BRING IN AN ELITE LEVEL GUY.
 
The idea that we need 4-5 million for a coach to win is infuriating to me. Yes, it would probably take that much to keep a guy around here long term but in our history that has never happened. Miami's job has historically been a spring board for the NFL or another opportunity.

There are plenty of innovative offensive and defensive minds that would love to make 2 million a year and have the opportunity to win big at Miami. Its our admin's job to find those guys and so far they haven't done a good job.

Shannon was an innovative defensive mind who had top-rated defenses and a closet full of coaching awards.

Golden was praised by everyone in the know for his ability to turn Temple around. Since he's been here, he's been courted by PSU twice, UCLA, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

Randy Shannon was an innovative defensive mind????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAABHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS TAKES THE CAKE.
 
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No business in history will or has ever succeeded on the premise that the product will be quality only if you buy more of it. Heel, your logic is so deeply flawed it is LAUGHABLE.

Miami didn't een have a football initiative until this year! If they wanted to make great, higher cost hires, they should have asked for money. But they never did bc IT WASNT A PRIORITY TO BRING IN AN ELITE LEVEL GUY.


They have funding drives all the **** time. There is no university anywhere that openly states a funding drive is to get rid such-and-such coach. It's bad form. It's understood--apparently by everyone but you--that donor funding is what sets limits on coaching salaries and facilities expenditures.
 
If a place of business doesn't respect its customers enough to provide a quality product, then that place of business doesn't deserve your money.


No doubt. And if enough customers stop buying from that business, it'll sink.

Just don't complain if UM football goes out of business...or, in this instance, continues a streak of mediocrity.
MOAR FEAR.

Lulz at the idea that it takes lots of money to get a good coach. Miami could hire Narduzzi for 1.5 to 2 million. Miami could hire Clemson's OC for around 2 million as well. But please keep perpetuating the lie that a lack of donations equals a lack of quality coaching.
 
If a place of business doesn't respect its customers enough to provide a quality product, then that place of business doesn't deserve your money.


No doubt. And if enough customers stop buying from that business, it'll sink.

Just don't complain if UM football goes out of business...or, in this instance, continues a streak of mediocrity.
MOAR FEAR.

Lulz at the idea that it takes lots of money to get a good coach. Miami could hire Narduzzi for 1.5 to 2 million. Miami could hire Clemson's OC for around 2 million as well. But please keep perpetuating the lie that a lack of donations equals a lack of quality coaching.


Ah, I'm glad you're in on the contract negotiations for Narduzzi and Clemson's OC. Good to have an insider on the board.
 
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If a place of business doesn't respect its customers enough to provide a quality product, then that place of business doesn't deserve your money.


No doubt. And if enough customers stop buying from that business, it'll sink.

Just don't complain if UM football goes out of business...or, in this instance, continues a streak of mediocrity.
MOAR FEAR.

Lulz at the idea that it takes lots of money to get a good coach. Miami could hire Narduzzi for 1.5 to 2 million. Miami could hire Clemson's OC for around 2 million as well. But please keep perpetuating the lie that a lack of donations equals a lack of quality coaching.


Ah, I'm glad you're in on the contract negotiations for Narduzzi and Clemson's OC. Good to have an insider on the board.
Always glad to provide insider info.
 
No business in history will or has ever succeeded on the premise that the product will be quality only if you buy more of it. Heel, your logic is so deeply flawed it is LAUGHABLE.

Miami didn't een have a football initiative until this year! If they wanted to make great, higher cost hires, they should have asked for money. But they never did bc IT WASNT A PRIORITY TO BRING IN AN ELITE LEVEL GUY.


They have funding drives all the **** time. There is no university anywhere that openly states a funding drive is to get rid such-and-such coach. It's bad form. It's understood--apparently by everyone but you--that donor funding is what sets limits on coaching salaries and facilities expenditures.

Completely incorrect. The 2014 Victory fund is the first football exclusive initiative. Is there anything in your daily life that you are correct about?
 
I see I'm not alone-- my reply to the Hurricane Club's solicitation:
To whom it may concern:

We do not want, nor do we need “pep talks” from “Ray Ray” about what it takes to be a champion. You see, we lived it at the University of Miami. (note that’s in the past tense.) We understand what it takes, because we were a part of it, well before we became the “U”—which is now an embarrassing symbol of mediocrity. There is a serious undercurrent of discontent amongst alumni, and fans at present; this will turn into apathy in short order. It’s already in motion.

When the administration and athletic department pull their collective heads out of the sand, by confronting coach Golden, and forcing him to fire his hand-picked Defensive Coordinator (who also allegedly is his best pal, and Godfather to one of his children) then I, and many like myself, may reconsider donating once again.

It is apparent our Head Coach is in complete denial regarding the performance of his Defense scheme, and the abilities of Mark D’Onofrio, the man charged with teaching, and executing it. Our Defense has ranked at the bottom of the ACC in almost every category, and among the worst in all of Division I football teams nationally—two years running.

Rather than confront this issue with forthrightly, Al Golden assumed the persona of “Baghdad Bob” while cherry-picking statistics to support his case when appearing on the Joe Rose Show, and later, during the press conference at the Hecht. In doing so, he insulted the fans and alumni by positing that the Defense was “trending” up. You may recall this canard? It didn’t take but a few hours of research and simple analysis to debunk “rah-rah Al’s” claims that “ALL IS WELL.” Mind you, this occurred in the midst of his flirtation with his alma mater, Penn State, and following three days of radio silence, which also featured the “de-commitment” of our #1 defensive recruit.

Did you see our Bowl Game versus Louisville? We were ill-prepared, played with little emotion, or intensity— and after nearly six weeks of so-called practice and preparation. Al Golden and staff were completely outcoached in every phase of the game—as they were in several other contests, some we won despite their incompetence.

So please, rather than appeal to a restive and disgruntled alumni base, who’s withstood more than a decade of mediocrity, and an embarrassingly poor product on the field-- Ask Ray Lewis if he’ll cover my dues for the coming year. Granted he’s retired, and now living on a “fixed income,” but I trust you’ll have better luck appealing to him than a large portion of current/former Hurricane Club members—who have seen more than enough, and who’ve had enough.

By refusing to replace our Defensive Coordinator, among other coaches, Al Golden, the administration, and the powers that be are guilty of dereliction. Al Golden is suffering from a crisis of confidence amongst a large portion of the fan base. Our once proud football program is at a precipice; teetering dangerously close to irrelevance.
 
Perhaps a better approach is to tell the AD what you think and then offer a reason to do as you ask-offer to double your contribution for a period of time. For example if you are a high roller offer to double your $1M each year to $2M for ten years. That would get his attention. If you are a regular guy offer $200 per year. Or you could offer to buy 4 season tickets to take the kids......................But, I have found that the "I am out" position seldom works...............
 
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