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Memnon said:
My point is.

A better RB than both is in the Portal & considering we're not going to have anywhere near the same level of QB play next season, it would behoove us to have an Elite RB to depend on.

The mistake that people are making is assuming that the run game will not have a drop-off in play & production, that it will be the exact same & I'm about 99% sure it won't be. ESPECIALLY, once teams see that we don't have a QB who can stretch the field.

Saying we have Lyle & Fletcher already as the reason for not going after a back like Hughes, would be like saying, "We have JoJo Trader & NY Carr, we don't need Jeremiah Smith".

The key to being a better Football team is to constantly improve in all areas & not just stay stagnant. You get as many good/great players as you can on your roster. Turning down talent & production is a risky business when you're not a perennial conference & playoff contender.

You guys think we're just fine with Lyle & Fletcher, okay... Come December of 25, we'll revisit just how fine the run game will be & why we didn't need to add a back 2700+yds & 22TD's in 2 seasons.
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I agree with that, and most defenses are going to sell out to stop our run regardless of who we have back there if we don't get a QB. That's why I mentioned the NIL cost. If there is a certain amount we have to work with, RB is not the position group I'm concerned with
 
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Memnon said:
My point is.

A better RB than both is in the Portal & considering we're not going to have anywhere near the same level of QB play next season, it would behoove us to have an Elite RB to depend on.

The mistake that people are making is assuming that the run game will not have a drop-off in play & production, that it will be the exact same & I'm about 99% sure it won't be. ESPECIALLY, once teams see that we don't have a QB who can stretch the field.

Saying we have Lyle & Fletcher already as the reason for not going after a back like Hughes, would be like saying, "We have JoJo Trader & NY Carr, we don't need Jeremiah Smith".

The key to being a better Football team is to constantly improve in all areas & not just stay stagnant. You get as many good/great players as you can on your roster. Turning down talent & production is a risky business when you're not a perennial conference & playoff contender.

You guys think we're just fine with Lyle & Fletcher, okay... Come December of 25, we'll revisit just how fine the run game will be & why we didn't need to add a back with 2700+yds & 22TD's in 2 seasons.
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Do you still think jj is not that good of a wr tho? He's clearly better than any of the guys you had ranked in front of him from last year's class. And I'm with you on bringing in another stud rb considering our qb situation as of right now and it being evident even if we get a portal qb they won't be on cams level
 
CanesDynasty said:
I agree with that, and most defenses are going to sell out to stop our run regardless of who we have back there if we don't get a QB. That's why I mentioned the NIL cost. If there is a certain amount we have to work with, RB is not the position group I'm concerned with
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You're not concerned with it NOW because the assumption is that it's going to remain the same.

When teams figure out we can't throw the Ball & the top 2 backs get dinged up due to high usage, then the concern about the RB room will present itself.

Then people will be saying, "Man we should've taken another back out the Portal this Offseason.."

"Well, there was literally one of the 5 best RB's in the Nation available at one point & we passed on him."
 
Memnon said:
You're not concerned with it NOW because the assumption is that it's going to remain the same.

When teams figure out we can't throw the Ball & the top 2 backs get dinged up due to high usage, then the concern about the RB room will present itself.

Then people will be saying, "Man we should've taken another back out the Portal this Offseason.."

"Well, there was literally one of the 5 best RB's in the Nation available at one point & we passed on him."
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Again, I agree with you, but if we don't address the most glaring issues with this team, it doesn't matter if we have Barry Sanders back there. Hughes is not making us better than what the 2024 team did on offense and you saw how far that got us
 
Ryanmilli said:
I think this is a valid point in some respects, especially as it relates to the Syracuse game. In a must win situation where Martinez is crushing it, you have to play him more. But in general there is also something to be said for getting the backups reps so they are less likely to portal out and have some good experience heading into next year. It’s a tough balancing act.
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I think its really easy, you have games you can get guys reps.. But when its winning time (syracuse) you lean on your MONEY players.. You know who they are since we pay guys out the portal in todays games. Whats the point of limiting a guys carries all year to help him have tread on tires at end of season if you dont even use him in the very game with season on the line. EVERYONE in building should of known we gonna ride our horse 30 carries if we have to in this game..

That everybody gets touches BS is what lost us the game. Our defense is soo bad, we couldnt afford to burn offensive touches.. What a collapse.
 
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Memnon said:
You're not concerned with it NOW because the assumption is that it's going to remain the same.

When teams figure out we can't throw the Ball & the top 2 backs get dinged up due to high usage, then the concern about the RB room will present itself.

Then people will be saying, "Man we should've taken another back out the Portal this Offseason.."

"Well, there was literally one of the 5 best RB's in the Nation available at one point & we passed on him."
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Isn’t this dude basically a lock for Oregon? Isn’t his brother there?
 
CanesDynasty said:
Again, I agree with you, but if we don't address the most glaring issues with this team, it doesn't matter if we have Barry Sanders back there. Hughes is not making us better than what the 2024 team did on offense and you saw how far that got us
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There is nothing from this game log that makes me say he is a must get
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Memnon said:
You're not concerned with it NOW because the assumption is that it's going to remain the same.

When teams figure out we can't throw the Ball & the top 2 backs get dinged up due to high usage, then the concern about the RB room will present itself.

Then people will be saying, "Man we should've taken another back out the Portal this Offseason.."

"Well, there was literally one of the 5 best RB's in the Nation available at one point & we passed on him."
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It’s not about passing on him. Everybody would love to have the player.

Putting aside that there is zero evidence he wants to come here, it’s about the cost. We need to add 4-5 DBs and a QB. Which one of those positions do we cut if we are throwing a ton of money at Hughes for a one-year rental?

Some people are acting like he’s knocking down our door to come, and we’re saying no because we like our guys better. That’s just not the real world.
 
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DMoney said:
It’s not about passing on him. Everybody would love to have the player.

Putting aside that there is zero evidence he wants to come here, it’s about the cost. We need to add 4-5 DBs and a QB. Which one of those positions do we cut if we are paying Hughes a ton of money for a one-year rental?

Some people are acting like he’s knocking down our door to come, and we’re saying no because we like our guys better. That’s just not the real world.
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If you don't contact him & offer him, there's no way to know if he had any interest in coming.

There have been several Portal prospects that we've offered & had visit thus far that we didn't sign. But, we knew we were trying to get them because the effort was put forth.

I'm not saying that the staff is saying no, I'm arguing against the notion that You all keep saying that we don't need him because we have Lyle & Fletcher.

And since when did it become an either or situation? So because we might potentially sign a high profile RB we wouldn't be able to sign a QB or another DB? When did that become a reality? What players weren't we able to sign last year because we brought in Cam, Martinez, Sam Brown, Carpenter Simeon Barrow, Tyler Baron, Meesh Powell & Alderman?

And who's this mystery QB we're saving all this money for? All the QB's are gone & signed already.
 
Memnon said:
I’m If you don't contact him & offer him, there's no way to know if he had any interest in coming.

There have been several Portal prospects that we've offered & had visit thus far that we didn't sign. But, we knew we were trying to get them because the effort was put forth.

I'm not saying that the staff is saying no, I'm arguing against the notion that You all keep saying that we don't need him because we have Lyle & Fletcher.

And since when did it become an either or situation? So because we might potentially sign a high profile RB we wouldn't be able to sign a QB or another DB? When did that become a reality? What players weren't we able to sign last year because we brought in Cam, Martinez, Sam Brown, Carpenter Simeon Barrow, Tyler Baron, Meesh Powell & Alderman?

And who's this mystery QB we're saving all this money for? All the QB's are gone & signed already.
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I don’t know if there’s been contact between Miami and Hughes’s camp. I haven’t talked to anyone on staff about him. My guess is this all has to do with money.

I’m probably more sensitive to these issues because I work with Canes Connection, but nobody has infinite money (Oregon is the closest). When the House Settlement gets approved, there’s going to be an actual salary cap.

With the cap in mind, let’s look at it like an NFL team. How many NFL teams spend huge money on a free agent RB when they have young draft picks and big needs elsewhere?

I agree we need another RB for numbers, but it has to be a cost-efficient guy. If we spend big on someone like Hughes, one or both of Lyle/Fletcher likely transfers and we are still stuck with a numbers problem.

If we’re spending on a true impact guy, my pecking order is:

1) QB
2) DBs (plural)
3) LB
4) WR

There could very well be a drop off at RB next year, but I think we will still be at least good. Those other positions are at risk of being bad.
 
DMoney said:
I agree we need another RB for numbers, but it has to be a cost-efficient guy. If we spend big on someone like Hughes, one or both of Lyle/Fletcher likely transfers and we are still stuck with a numbers problem.
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I mean I'd take a transfer RB and Fletcher transferring out lol. Just don't think this Staff would even consider it.

Also I'd switch LB and Wr in the pecking order. Unless you mean add a LB and move on from Wes + Alderman. That would be great. But again See above: "Just don't think this Staff would even consider it". They have their guys they love and don't play anyone else no matter what...
 
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Calinative said:
This staff isn't reducing Fletchers carries. We all know that...
Lyle takes over Martinez's carries. Pringle picks up the remaining that Lyle/Allen/CJjr received.

I'd expect a spring portal depth RB add.
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I'd love it if we were able to convince Allen to come back and roll with what we have.

RB is one of the positions we've recruited really well.
 
DMoney said:
I don’t know if there’s been contact between Miami and Hughes’s camp. I haven’t talked to anyone on staff about him. My guess is this all has to do with money.

I’m probably more sensitive to these issues because I work with Canes Connection, but nobody has infinite money (Oregon is the closest). When the House Settlement gets approved, there’s going to be an actual salary cap.

With the cap in mind, let’s look at it like an NFL team. How many NFL teams spend huge money on a free agent RB when they have young draft picks and big needs elsewhere?

I agree we need another RB for numbers, but it has to be a cost-efficient guy. If we spend big on someone like Hughes, one or both of Lyle/Fletcher likely transfers and we are still stuck with a numbers problem.

If we’re spending on a true impact guy, my pecking order is:

1) QB
2) DBs (plural)
3) LB
4) WR

There could very well be a drop off at RB next year, but I think we will still be at least good. Those other positions are at risk of being bad.
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DBs (plural) even after adding Brantley, Poyser and Karnley? How many more do they want?
 
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DMoney said:
I’d say 2-3 more. The words I heard were “complete overhaul.”
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Steps I'd take:
1. Take another stab trying to get Ponds to portal here
2. Try a 3rd time with 2x more money.
3. Xavier Lucas, just cause this should be an absolute layup.
4. Get one of Tacario Davis/Ethan O'Conner (Tacario much harder to land imo)
5. If 1 and 2 fail, get a top Nickel CB. Idk if Fortenberry or Hamilton can play nickel but they are top portal CBs that still haven't committed. Skip and reexamine in spring if no top nickels available.
6. Get another Safety. Either Jalen Catalon or Fred Perry
7. Consider another depth safety. If we get Zachariah Branch, get his brother Zion at Safety too. Maybe a RS Frosh that has potential... we need bodies that have potential period.
 
cway313 said:
I can't think of a time ever that the fanbase or coaching staff decided resting on laurels was the wrong answer. We've been penciling in JAGs for decades. You don't become a laughing stock for 20 years by trying to upgrade as much as possible.
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Imagine having the number 1 offense in the country with the best QB and still not making the playoffs because of your defense and then saying, let's go spend a lot of money on a RB who lit up the sisters of the poor, regardless of the fact that we are losing our QB and our top 5 returning receivers.

Lyle is not some Jag, and his role becomes huge next year likely as the lead back, with Fletcher and speed demon Pringle getting reps. We need depth, but not a guy who could potentially push Lyle away.

At the end of the day, Miami should try to upgrade as much as possible, but if there is a certain amount they have available to spend to get players to come here, then I would prefer they spend it at other positions that are in greater need of upgrading, rather than RB.
 
DMoney said:
I don’t know if there’s been contact between Miami and Hughes’s camp. I haven’t talked to anyone on staff about him. My guess is this all has to do with money.

I’m probably more sensitive to these issues because I work with Canes Connection, but nobody has infinite money (Oregon is the closest). When the House Settlement gets approved, there’s going to be an actual salary cap.

With the cap in mind, let’s look at it like an NFL team. How many NFL teams spend huge money on a free agent RB when they have young draft picks and big needs elsewhere?

I agree we need another RB for numbers, but it has to be a cost-efficient guy. If we spend big on someone like Hughes, one or both of Lyle/Fletcher likely transfers and we are still stuck with a numbers problem.

If we’re spending on a true impact guy, my pecking order is:

1) QB
2) DBs (plural)
3) LB
4) WR

There could very well be a drop off at RB next year, but I think we will still be at least good. Those other positions are at risk of being bad.
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That's wild a LB would be priority over a WR or RB if that was accurate
 
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