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Pentagon Cane said:
Howard used to say about Bernie. He gets the ball to the right guy 80% of the time. The need for arm strength is exaggerated at the college level. Being able to understand your pre-snap reads and being able to go through your progressions correctly matters more. Williams looks accurate enough at this level.
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Its (in part) because of the college hash marks.
 
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Williams' athletic limitations will be obvious once he's the starter. The offensive line will be younger and less experienced at several positions, leading to inevitable breakdowns early in the season. Williams isn't going to fare well with pressure in his face.

I appreciate that he's improved this year but I never put much stock in how a guy looks as opposed to how good he is...period. He's simply not a special player and that will be glaring once he's in charge. Default to the end of the North Carolina game in 2012 for a valid perspective.

His completion percentage has been very high. I'll give him that. It will be interesting to see how it fares when he's asked to throw 30+ times per game.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Williams' athletic limitations will be obvious once he's the starter. The offensive line will be younger and less experienced at several positions, leading to inevitable breakdowns early in the season. Williams isn't going to fare well with pressure in his face.

I appreciate that he's improved this year but I never put much stock in how a guy looks as opposed to how good he is...period. He's simply not a special player and that will be glaring once he's in charge. Default to the end of the North Carolina game in 2012 for a valid perspective.

His completion percentage has been very high. I'll give him that. It will be interesting to see how it fares when he's asked to throw 30+ times per game.
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The only players leaving from the O-line is Linder and Seantrel, the latter was never really consistently getting playing time.
 
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
 
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Pennmed Canefan said:
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
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That is troubling. The alternative is also; staff bases its decision on things other than on the field performance. Remember Al's comment after Beau ran so hard after a couple passes from Williams that they "hadn't seen that in practice". Also, Wheeler looked like our most aggressive downfield blocker; I wonder why we saw so little of him for four years-- is he aloud to beat up our DBs in practice. We might just have the best practice players out there in the games. They are not always the best game players. Not everybody is a Duke Johnson-- great every day, everywhere, at everything.
 
The staff kept EVERY STIFF KNOWN TO MAN in the games....

Highsmith can't possibly have better upside than Jamal Carter.
 
Hegemon said:
The staff kept EVERY STIFF KNOWN TO MAN in the games....

Highsmith can't possibly have better upside than Jamal Carter.
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Only rationalization is that the coaches put a premium on guys knowing their assignments.
It's basically a zero sum game.. Play the more experienced less talented player who will know his assignments and therefore be in the right position to make plays.
Or play the more talent less experience who's physical talent and skills will make up for being out of position.
At the end of the game, the less talented but more experienced player will make plays and tackles by virtue of being in position but will also miss some tackles and not make plays because of his limitations.
On the flip side, the more talented but less experienced player would also make plays and tackles by virtue of his physical abilities but will give up big plays due to being out of position.
So Golden probably believes there is not an immediate net positive for playing a guy like Carter over a guy like Highsmith.
And given that AL Golden is big on rewarding kids to buy into his system and are good soldiers like this SENIOR class that stuck around was it's easy to see why he chose to go with them over the more talented younger players.
 
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DiegoCane said:
Pretty funny that the backup QB is always better then the starter.
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I think we will miss Morris next year... Not saying it would be Kirby Freeman against NCST 07 production but for the last 3 years qb hasn't been our problem... I don't think Morris was the problem for our losses... His worst performance was UNC and we still won... As for the tight end production... Its the offense philosophy... I'm sorry our offense resembled FSU's last year philosophy as soon as Coley leaves FSU tight ends production increased and was more than the two previous season's combine... We saw one game where Walford and Cleveland recorded catches... I think Williams rep is being hyped by his Savannah State performance... Williams will be alright but we'll definitely see why he was our back up... I mean even in the OP the poster admitted he was a bit late and another poster mentioned he under threw a few throws... He'll be a game manager but I don't think he'll be better than Morris...
 
Pennmed Canefan said:
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
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Morris injury reminds me of UF in 09... Tebow fell victim to a concussion and despite the the premature hype of Brantley, Urb refused to tart him... Guess what 2010 approached and Brantley was a terrible qb... Not saying Williams is a terrible qb but he isn't better than Morris and I think his performance next year will confirm that...
 
Gatorhater said:
Pennmed Canefan said:
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
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That is troubling. The alternative is also; staff bases its decision on things other than on the field performance. Remember Al's comment after Beau ran so hard after a couple passes from Williams that they "hadn't seen that in practice". Also, Wheeler looked like our most aggressive downfield blocker; I wonder why we saw so little of him for four years-- is he aloud to beat up our DBs in practice. We might just have the best practice players out there in the games. They are not always the best game players. Not everybody is a Duke Johnson-- great every day, everywhere, at everything.
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I doubt this is the issue with the majority of players... I'm sure the coaches play the best players... There may be one or two exceptions but that isn't the case... There is a reason why a kid is on the bench... More than likely its because they are not better than the player in front of them....
 
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lauderdaleballer said:
Pennmed Canefan said:
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
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+10000
Morris injury reminds me of UF in 09... Tebow fell victim to a concussion and despite the the premature hype of Brantley, Urb refused to tart him... Guess what 2010 approached and Brantley was a terrible qb... Not saying Williams is a terrible qb but he isn't better than Morris and I think his performance next year will confirm that...
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I think he is a different kind of QB. I think he will be better at the short to mid range stuff than Morris was. He will have a different set of problems than Morris. However, I am still wondering why they left Morris in even with the bad ankle.
 
Williams is going to struggle with pressure and will likely be less mobile than a one-legged Morris. Those are legitimate concerns to have, so I would expect a heavier dose of the run game in 2014. No reason not to grind it out more with a deep and talented backfield available.
 
CaneAlmighty said:
Hegemon said:
The staff kept EVERY STIFF KNOWN TO MAN in the games....

Highsmith can't possibly have better upside than Jamal Carter.
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Only rationalization is that the coaches put a premium on guys knowing their assignments.
It's basically a zero sum game.. Play the more experienced less talented player who will know his assignments and therefore be in the right position to make plays.
Or play the more talent less experience who's physical talent and skills will make up for being out of position.
At the end of the game, the less talented but more experienced player will make plays and tackles by virtue of being in position but will also miss some tackles and not make plays because of his limitations.
On the flip side, the more talented but less experienced player would also make plays and tackles by virtue of his physical abilities but will give up big plays due to being out of position.
So Golden probably believes there is not an immediate net positive for playing a guy like Carter over a guy like Highsmith.
And given that AL Golden is big on rewarding kids to buy into his system and are good soldiers like this SENIOR class that stuck around was it's easy to see why he chose to go with them over the more talented younger players.
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I'm am just wondering how much Of Goldens thinking has been dictated by his commitment to this senior class in spite of its talent deficiencies. He really seems to be emotionally invested in rewarding this class in particular due to what it has gone through since it's arrival. How much of this entire year has been skewed by this? Will we see a departure from what on the surface appears to be stubbornness in insisting these seniors see the field even though guys like Highsmith set new standards for awfulness; swallowing awful short term medicine to establish long term trust with players who sacrifice and parents who place their trust in the HC. AG has said repeatedly he to be here long term.....on a timeline as such, why would he give a **** in not trying to impose his values early on using this senior class and the last year of the NCAA mess as a final statement that his players can believe in him to stand by them?

Probably wishful thinking, but Goldens not stupid and sees the the same defensive issues we are seeing. So I hope not.
 
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Dandycane said:
CaneAlmighty said:
Hegemon said:
The staff kept EVERY STIFF KNOWN TO MAN in the games....

Highsmith can't possibly have better upside than Jamal Carter.
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Only rationalization is that the coaches put a premium on guys knowing their assignments.
It's basically a zero sum game.. Play the more experienced less talented player who will know his assignments and therefore be in the right position to make plays.
Or play the more talent less experience who's physical talent and skills will make up for being out of position.
At the end of the game, the less talented but more experienced player will make plays and tackles by virtue of being in position but will also miss some tackles and not make plays because of his limitations.
On the flip side, the more talented but less experienced player would also make plays and tackles by virtue of his physical abilities but will give up big plays due to being out of position.
So Golden probably believes there is not an immediate net positive for playing a guy like Carter over a guy like Highsmith.
And given that AL Golden is big on rewarding kids to buy into his system and are good soldiers like this SENIOR class that stuck around was it's easy to see why he chose to go with them over the more talented younger players.
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I'm am just wondering how much Of Goldens thinking has been dictated by his commitment to this senior class in spite of its talent deficiencies. He really seems to be emotionally invested in rewarding this class in particular due to what it has gone through since it's arrival. How much of this entire year has been skewed by this? Will we see a departure from what on the surface appears to be stubbornness in insisting these seniors see the field even though guys like Highsmith set new standards for awfulness; swallowing awful short term medicine to establish long term trust with players who sacrifice and parents who place their trust in the HC. AG has said repeatedly he to be here long term.....on a timeline as such, why would he give a **** in not trying to impose his values early on using this senior class and the last year of the NCAA mess as a final statement that his players can believe in him to stand by them?

Probably wishful thinking, but Goldens not stupid and sees the the same defensive issues we are seeing. So I hope not.
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I agree with all of this. Or at least, I am making myself believe in something like this. There needs to be a rhyme ands reason to what they did this year. This is what makes the most sense to me. I hope for our sake that it is true
 
Gatorhater said:
.... We might just have the best practice players out there in the games. They are not always the best game players. Not everybody is a Duke Johnson-- great every day, everywhere, at everything.
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lauderdaleballer said:
Pennmed Canefan said:
I hope Williams is good but it cannot be ignored that the coaches treated Morris like they had no viable alternative. When he struggled, they kept talking him up. They put very little pressure on him to perform. The situation kind of reeks of "what do they know that we don't know." The backup is always the most popular guy--it wasn't long ago that we had this love affair with Morris because he wasn't Jacory. We'll see if Williams adds anything. I kind of doubt it.
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+10000
Morris injury reminds me of UF in 09... Tebow fell victim to a concussion and despite the the premature hype of Brantley, Urb refused to tart him... Guess what 2010 approached and Brantley was a terrible qb... Not saying Williams is a terrible qb but he isn't better than Morris and I think his performance next year will confirm that...
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Kind of agree with you - although I think Williams will be serviceable, and seems to have better vision of the whole field spreading the ball out so the opposing D has to thin out it's coverage. I also think that Williams would do a better job of going to an alternate receiver, throwing the ball away or scrambling when under pressure. If he doesn't keep it going we'll probably see more of baby jesus. If we don't run Duke 25-30 times and mix up some other RB's in there that would help as well or Duke won't make the end of the season again. Guess we'll know in August.
 
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