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flips said:
Pavia played 2 seasons at NMSU and 1 at Vandy and 2 at JUCO. I'm not certain how the math worked - whether the NCAA gave him credit for the COVID year in '20 or counted 1 of his JUCO years as a redshirt year - that said he was a senior this year. Either way, he only played 3 seasons at the NCAA level, and his argument to the judge who issued the temporary injuction was that JUCO years shouldn't count against a player's NCAA eligibility clock. So, he is now eligible for this coming season, and conceviably could be eligible the following year if the NCAA makes the 5-year no redshirt rule change:

U.S. District Judge William L. Campbell issued the injunction following a hearing earlier in December during which Pavia's attorneys — led by Ryan Downton of The Texas Trial Group — argued his case. Campbell asked the NCAA's attorneys to provide additional information regarding whether the governing body is considering giving all players a fifth year of eligibility before the end of the 2024-25 school year; if so, the trial might not have been necessary to see through. Once Campbell received that information, he said, a decision would come down. (link)​
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Ogbonna spent 1 year at JUCO, 2 at FCS SE Mizzou St & 2 at FBS Buffalo, playing in >4 games each year. The JUCO ruling doesn't help him since he didn't qualify for a redshirt in any of his four years at an NCAA school. He'd be eligible if the NCAA changed to the 5-year no redshirt rule, and applied it to everyone who was in college for the 24-25 year.

I think McCord is going to get his waiver on appeal, and the NCAA will apply the new 5-year eligibility clock to everyone who was in school this year. Ogbonna would definitely have 1 more year then, and so would QBs who can actually throw like Seth Henigan.
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Not sure where you saw he was JUCO one season but he started Fall 2019. Doesn’t look like he played that year.


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Tony4Canes said:
You need to stick to law sometimes


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You need to stick to Google sometimes.

He has played FOUR seasons at NCAA Division I 4-year schools, two at SEMO (Southeast Missouri State, NOT a JuCo) and two years at Buffalo (NOT a JuCo).

McCord situation, in that he played in FIVE games in 2022.



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Tony4Canes said:
Still was at JUCO for two seasons

Read somewhere he compared JUCO to Prep Schools since they play each other and Prep Schools do not start the eligibility clock
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I love ya, man.

But right now, I am DUMBFOUNDED at what you are trying to say.

The Pavia situation is as follows. Based on a theory of the case that says "JuCo years shouldn't count against the 5-years-to-play-4 rationale, because it causes him to miss out on NIL opportunities", Pavia is eligible to play ANOTHER year. He only has THREE years at the 4-year collegiate Division I level.

That is DIFFERENT from the theory of the case for McCord and Ogbonna. Both of these guys have played FOUR YEARS at a 4-year Division I school. Their agument (or at least the argument for McCord) is that ONE of those years involved "only 5 games", and so he is trying to make the Taulia Tagovailaoa argument from last year WHICH FAILED. Like McCord, Ogbonna played one season that involved "only 5 games".

As such, Ogbonna would need the same waiver that McCord is gunning for (on appeal, since he has already been denied once).

Understand?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You need to stick to Google sometimes.

He has played FOUR seasons at NCAA Division I 4-year schools, two at SEMO (Southeast Missouri State, NOT a JuCo) and two years at Buffalo (NOT a JuCo).

McCord situation, in that he played in FIVE games in 2022.



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He went to JUCO so he like several others are using that for their extra season

Like Tru Edwards using JUCO for another season

My only confusion is the ruling applies to class of 2019 guys like these two
 
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Tony4Canes said:
Not sure where you saw he was JUCO one season but he started Fall 2019. Doesn’t look like he played that year.


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CJ Ogbonna

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And you do realize that many schools (particularly JuCo and below-FBS) pushed their Fall 2020 (COVID) games into the spring of 2021.

Regardless, Ogbonna played in the FALL 2021 season at SEMO, as well as the FALL 2022 season. He then played the 2023 and 2024 seasons at Buffalo.
 
Tony4Canes said:
He went to JUCO so he like several others are using that for their extra season

Like Tru Edwards using JUCO for another season

My only confusion is the ruling applies to class of 2019 guys like these two
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You are needlessly confusing yourself with the JuCo ****. IT DOESN'T COUNT.

Ogbonna has played FOUR seasons of regular 4-year NCAA Division I football.

TWO at SEMO (Division I FCS, or "old I-AA"). 2021 and 2022.

TWO at Buffalo (Division I FBS or "old I-A"). 2023 and 2024.

Thus, he has exhausted all 4 years of Division I eligibility.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I love ya, man.

But right now, I am DUMBFOUNDED at what you are trying to say.

The Pavia situation is as follows. Based on a theory of the case that says "JuCo years shouldn't count against the 5-years-to-play-4 rationale, because it causes him to miss out on NIL opportunities", Pavia is eligible to play ANOTHER year. He only has THREE years at the 4-year collegiate Division I level.

That is DIFFERENT from the theory of the case for McCord and Ogbonna. Both of these guys have played FOUR YEARS at a 4-year Division I school. Their agument (or at least the argument for McCord) is that ONE of those years involved "only 5 games", and so he is trying to make the Taulia Tagovailaoa argument from last year WHICH FAILED. Like McCord, Ogbonna played one season that involved "only 5 games".

As such, Ogbonna would need the same waiver that McCord is gunning for (on appeal, since he has already been denied once).

Understand?
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Then there are several guys that will be applying for Waivers if you are right. Let me go look at Malik Benson.

McCord is different in my opinion since no JUCO attendance
 
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Tony4Canes said:
Then there are several guys that will be applying for Waivers if you are right. Let me go look at Malik Benson.

McCord is different in my opinion since no JUCO attendance
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Ignore JuCo. Focus on Division I play. 5 years to play 4. Simple as pie.

McCord and Ogbonna have both played 4 years of Division I. The Pavia ruling has NOTHING to do with them.
 
Tony4Canes said:
Then there are several guys that will be applying for Waivers if you are right. Let me go look at Malik Benson.

McCord is different in my opinion since no JUCO attendance
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They only have to apply for waivers if they played 5 or more games in every one of FOUR Division I seasons.

They can apply and they can be denied, same as Taulia last year.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Ignore JuCo. Focus on Division I play. 5 years to play 4. Simple as pie.

McCord and Ogbonna have both played 4 years of Division I. The Pavia ruling has NOTHING to do with them.
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Not ignoring JUCO since that ruling is what bringing all this up

Get rid of McCord. I know what he is trying to do.

Found this looking for info on Benson.

“On Monday, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors granted a waiver to permit student-athletes who attended and competed at a non-NCAA school for one or more years to remain eligible and compete in 2025-26.”

Here is route Benson took.

‘21 & ‘22 JUCO
‘23 Bama
‘24 FSU

‘25 Oregon

Original eligibility clock was enrolled in JUCO or NCAA school, the 4 of 5 years started. He did not Redshirt so he played his 4 but now with ruling, gets another year. No Covid year for him so easy case.
 
Tony4Canes said:
Not sure where you saw he was JUCO one season but he started Fall 2019. Doesn’t look like he played that year.


www.bluedragonsports.com

CJ Ogbonna

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Got it, I thought he was only in JUCO for 1 year, my bad for not checking. You're right he graduated from HS in Spring of '19 (link)

2019: JUCO - Redshirt - RS used, 4/4 years left (stats in 0 games)​
2020-21: JUCO - COVID year - JUCO didn't play games till Spring - Doesn't count against eligibility clock on account of COVID year​
2021: SEMO - year 1/4 + RS (stats in 11 games; no redshirt)​
2022: SEMO - year 2/4 + RS (stats in 5 games; no redshirt)​
2023: BUFF - year 3/4 + RS (stats in 7 games; no redshirt)​
2024: BUFF - year 4/4 + RS (stats in 13 games; no redshirt)​
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Think you and @TheOriginalCane covered this already but applying the Paiva injuction that JUCO years don't count against his NCAA eligibility clock, still has Ogbonna exhausting his NCAA eligibilty at the end of the '24 season. The only way he could be eligible is if they change from the 5-years to play 4 model to a 5-years to play model and apply that model to everyone who was in college this year.
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Tony4Canes said:
Not ignoring JUCO since that ruling is what bringing all this up

Get rid of McCord. I know what he is trying to do.

Found this looking for info on Benson.

“On Monday, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors granted a waiver to permit student-athletes who attended and competed at a non-NCAA school for one or more years to remain eligible and compete in 2025-26.”

Here is route Benson took.

‘21 & ‘22 JUCO
‘23 Bama
‘24 FSU

‘25 Oregon

Original eligibility clock was enrolled in JUCO or NCAA school, the 4 of 5 years started. He did not Redshirt so he played his 4 but now with ruling, gets another year. No Covid year for him so easy case.
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Yes. You. Ignore. JuCo.

You aren't listening.

YOU ONLY GET FOUR YEARS IN DIVISION I.

The Pavia case did not give FIVE years of Division I to players. You are misreading and misundertanding.

I don't give two ***** about Malik Benson He never played FOUR DIVISIION I YEARS. So he is a Pavia case.

Ogbonna is NOT NOT NOT a Pavia case. Makes no difference that he went to JuCo. The Pavid case DOES NOT give anyone FIVE DIVISION I YEARS. It just doesn't.

I don't give two ***** about original eligibility clock. Makes no difference. The only thing that matters is FOUR DIVISION I SEASONS. Period. End of story.

Why can you not comprehend that Ogbonna has already played FOUR DIVISION I YEARS?

What part of this are you not getting?
 
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So, Tru Edwards counting on hypothetical ruling too??

‘19 & ‘20 JUCO
‘21 Hawaii
‘22 La Tech RS
‘23 & ‘24 La Tech

Entered Portal for ‘25

Or since he RS he will get the extra year?
 
Maybe i'm in the minority but i don't think JUCO years should be given back just because it causes a player to miss out on NIL opportunities.....just like i don't think kids should keep getting medical waiver after waiver to play 6-7 years. NIL opportunities are not guaranteed to anyone. The intent of the JUCO rule and requiring medical waiver had merit...leveling the playing field with age/experience/physical maturity within the game. Yes i know covid and other bs stuff ruined that for a bit but it's become a mockery to allow guys like McCormick to keep playing that long against teenagers. He should have a doctorate or several masters after that length of time. Technically, this ruling would allow kids to play 4 years JUCO then 4 college....so 8 total, or 26 year olds.

And where does it stop?
Should we allow late developing kids to play 6 years in HS in hopes of being higher rated recruits to maximize their NIL potential in college? I mean ****, i've already seen parents purposely holding their kids back to be a year older and better at sports in HS. Maybe i need to file a lawsuit for my kids demanding driver's license by 14 bc it's causing them to miss out on job opportunities. At some point the adults need to get in a room and make logical decisions for the game and what makes sense for most kids and the game. NOTHING with NIL and CFB right now is logical imo. But what the f do i know right? I'll crawl back into my hole with the other ordinary working folk. Fire away...
 
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