Proof of Concept at QB

[S.CarolinaCane]

That's not the point I was making, nor was it addressed in your post. You said we'd slip in recruiting if we take another transfer QB; they haven't. Neither did Oklahoma during the Riley years. Examples abound of this not impacting jack.

As for your "weaker team" comment, ND has won 140 games since 2010. We've won 99 over that same period. They've been the better program over the last decade, even with the 2017 result.

You take the guy you think will help you win the most games next year. Transfer or Emory; doesn't matter. It won't impact recruiting either way.

You are comparing stats from the past, you might as well throw in FSU.

...and you are still comparing our current roster, and where we are headed, to that of weaker programs. Currently

Im not going back and forth with you over old ****.

We are headed in a different direction than ND and Oklahoma currently. And what they both have done, has gotten them where they currently are. So, no, I don't think we need to follow their model.

 

[grover]

Emory needs to beat out the guys on our roster to start. Including who is incoming.

I completely disagree with bringing in an impact QB from the portal, with the roster makeup we have

Any coach who isn’t always trading up is a failure. I get the loyalty and development elements. But that factors into the decision. If there’s a marginal difference between our guys on roster and a guy in the portal, of course you stick with the guy on roster. Otherwise you have a fiduciary duty to the team and program to bring in upgrades. Emory or Judd or Fickel don’t get gifted spots. They need to earn them.

 

[mavericksouth]

I don’t think Weigman is it. Think he is a fading 5 star that some of our fans liked because he tore up our **** secondary and also hung tough in the pocket doing it.

Agreed. This board overrates Weigman. The kid from Washington State is intriguing.

 

[Cajuncane]

I wouldn’t mind Drones coming here…kid sure looked good against us and Cam could help recruit him…after next year I look for Luke or Emory to be ready and our days of having to scour the portal for QBs will be over.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Novell's strategy insured losing but minimized the point spread because so much time came off the clock. 40 rushes and 32 passes. We only had 8 possessions I think.

Scored on 7 out of 8.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

Any coach who isn’t always trading up is a failure. I get the loyalty and development elements. But that factors into the decision. If there’s a marginal difference between our guys on roster and a guy in the portal, of course you stick with the guy on roster. Otherwise you have a fiduciary duty to the team and program to bring in upgrades. Emory or Judd or Fickel don’t get gifted spots. They need to earn them.

Trading up with Cam was a given.

We were in a bad spot.

I don't disagree when it comes to trading up, but in a day in age where you need to be able to recruit your own roster, the transfer portal, as well as high school athletes...I'd say we're in a good spot with QBs.

We need to focus on maintaining depth and we do not have that in our defensive backfield, or the WR group.

A portal QB shouldn't be high priority.

 

[dirtyred786]

People keep mentioning Lagway, but he is inexperienced. If he comes here, I don't think he beats out Emory.

 

[dirtyred786]

The goal is to get the best players at every position, not to keep backup level players happy by gifting them starting positions. If the coaches really felt Williams or Anderson were starting quality players, they wouldn’t be trying to get someone from the portal. If those guys want to transfer down a level to get some playing time, I wouldn’t hate them for it. You don’t get a starting job just because you’ve been here a while.

I we really sure they are trying to get someone from the portal? Its all speculation at this point.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

People keep mentioning Lagway, but he is inexperienced. If he comes here, I don't think he beats out Emory.

By the end of the year, DJ Lagway will have started 7 games and played in all 12.

Emory will have started 2 games and played in 6 (5 last year, 1 this year).

 

[dirtyred786]

By the end of the year, DJ Lagway will have started 7 games and played in all 12.

Emory will have started 2 games and played in 6 (5 last year, 1 this year).

But Emory will be going on year three in this offense, assuming Dawson is still here. If Dawson stays that would really bolster Emory's chances of starting I believe.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

But Emory will be going on year three in this offense, assuming Dawson is still here. If Dawson stays that would really bolster Emory's chances of starting I believe.

Nah. Talent and experience will beat "familiarity with the system", guaranteed.

 

[Katzenboyer]

You are comparing stats from the past, you might as well throw in FSU.

...and you are still comparing our current roster, and where we are headed, to that of weaker programs. Currently

Im not going back and forth with you over old ****.

We are headed in a different direction than ND and Oklahoma currently. And what they both have done, has gotten them where they currently are. So, no, I don't think we need to follow their model.

Again, your point was that teams who take transfer QBs might impact recruiting. That's decidedly not the case, yet you keep spewing nonsense as if it's a stated fact. Your attempt to focus on the last 8 weeks of football (recency bias, anyone?) doesn't change that.

OU went to two playoffs taking back to back transfer QBs; it didn't impact them getting five-star Spencer Rattler and Caleb Williams immediately after.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Canes taking another transfer QB this year, and it won't matter a lick of difference to recruiting if they do.

 

[miamimike305]

You think fickle could stop him from leaving if he wanted to?

Well of course he can't prevent him but he can offer a sweet deal that would be hard to turn down.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I don't disagree when it comes to trading up, but in a day in age where you need to be able to recruit your own roster, the transfer portal, as well as high school athletes...I'd say we're in a good spot with QBs.

We need to focus on maintaining depth and we do not have that in our defensive backfield, or the WR group.

A portal QB shouldn't be high priority.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can center your focus on DBs and WRs and still get a starting QB in the Portal.

 

[Noahcane]

2025 Portal QB Targets: (maybe I'll try to update near the end of the year...)

Player	School	TD, TD%	INT, INT%	YDS, AY/A	QB Rating	EPA Pass	EPA Run, Sack	CAREER TD%	CAREER INT%	CAREER AY/A
Cam Ward	Miami	24 , 8.5%	5 , 1.8%	2,746 , 10.68	193.6	61.8	19.6 , -9.6	5.7%	1.7%	8.08
John Mateer	Wash St	18 , 7.4%	6 , 2.5%	2,153 , 9.27	155.5	40.3	18.8 , -12.7	8.0%	2.7%	9.67
Brendan Sorsby	Cinci	15 , 5.7%	4 , 1.5%	2,108 , 8.50	149.1	47.9	10.4 , -6.1	5.9%	2.0%	7.63
Nico Iamaleava	UTenn	8 , 4.7%	4 , 2.4%	1,413 , 8.19	144.2	20.2	-1.4 , -9.1	4.7%	1.9%	8.13
Connor Weigman	Texas A&M	3 , 2.8%	4 , 3.7%	782 , 6.07	118.9	NA	NA	5.3%	1.7%	7.69
Darian Mensah	Tulane	14 , 8.5%	3, 1.8%	1,583 , 10.47	169.2	28.4	5.4 , -8.8	8.5%	1.8%	10.47
Alonza Barnett	JMU	18 , 7.4%	2 , 0.8%	1,793 , 8.49	142.0	21.7	7.9 , -15.7	7.1%	1.2%	8.03
Fernando Mendoza	Cal	10 , 3.8%	3 , 1.2%	2,095 , 8.31	146.5	45.0	6.4 , -18.8	4.8%	2.6%	7.35
Behren Morton	Texas Tech	17 , 5.8%	3 , 1.0%	2,063 , 7.77	139.9	36.7	1.5 , -6.5	5.2%	2.2%	6.54
Caden Veltcamp	W. Kentucky	14 , 8.5%	5 , 3.0%	1,428 , 9.04	164.7	32.7	5.7 , -8.5	8.6%	2.7%	8.78
Sawyer Robertson	Baylor	17 , 8.8%	4 , 2.1%	1,541 , 8.81	152.1	29.6	19.5 , -3.9	5.9%	2.8%	7.49
Gio Lopez	S. Alabama	13 , 6.5%	1 , 0.5%	1,634 , 9.20	152.8	27.9	22 , -5.4	6.5%	1.1%	8.83

I'd probably have Mateer and Sorsby as the top 2 targets as of right now. Mateer, if you can reduce his INTs, Is a **** good target... Sorsby is just really good all around. Takes better care of the ball than Mateer.

I'd still be inclined to take a shot on Weigman as a 5star guy that could be on the move. I'd also take a shot at Nico from UTenn, who doesn't seem like he's getting developed very well over there. Maybe you can sell him on being a 1 yr developement and off to NFL.

Caden Veltcamp is probably worth a look into. Fernando Mendoza is from South Florida, and is having a decently nice season, but his TD rate is super low.... Gio Lopez and sawyer Robertson seem primarily like they do most of their damage on the ground, but are both passing pretty well...

Lastly I'd just say there is basically no reason to go for a "safe" Qb. Unless we are going for a Qb we feel is a potential Heisman/ QB award winner or guy that can be a 1st round type of player that can go out and win us games and a championship, I'd say go with Emory and use that money loading up on WR/DB/DL in portal.

Sorsby plays with the moxy, throws from all different arm angles and can run when needed.

Would be a very solid pick-up if the staff chosed to go into the portal for a QB.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

People keep mentioning Lagway, but he is inexperienced. If he comes here, I don't think he beats out Emory.

Emory is better than Mertz and

Again, your point was that teams who take transfer QBs might impact recruiting. That's decidedly not the case, yet you keep spewing nonsense as if it's a stated fact. Your attempt to focus on the last 8 weeks of football (recency bias, anyone?) doesn't change that.

OU went to two playoffs taking back to back transfer QBs; it didn't impact them getting five-star Spencer Rattler and Caleb Williams immediately after.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Canes taking another transfer QB this year, and it won't matter a lick of difference to recruiting if they do.

And again, you keep talking about the past.

UM is focused on the future.

My opinion doesn't change. Feel free to bookmark it and hammer me later.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can center your focus on DBs and WRs and still get a starting QB in the Portal.

We have two starting QBs on our roster.

But I don't think you fully understand the costs and efforts that go into what it is that UM is doing right now, when it comes to our recruiting efforts.

Do you have any idea why we brought in Reese?

 

[AUcane]

I think the big question is do you take a one year starter or a 2 year starter?

 

[K.O.M.A.]

For all you Lagway guys he's really tight with closeted homosexual Tim Teblow and with former Gayter Danny Waffles. Supposedly he talks to them every day and they play golf together and ****. I doubt he's going anywhere, even if Slingblade gets ****canned

 

[cway313]

Put me in the camp that says Emory Williams will be the starting QB for UM's next national championship team.

Kiss of death.