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[CaneAlmighty]

Where are the "4-3" base scheemzz experts out there? There is now a new "nickel and dime" crew who wants their scheemz used more? LMAO, cannot make this stuff up. The D cord guru's are out in full force, dissecting ONE play......ONE play and using that as the example for the entire season. And to top it off, can't even agree on what personnel should have been used on that ONE play. :ibisroflmao:

Because playing spread teams and being in base is retarded.

But thanks for the input.

So are you saying teams don't run out of the spread?

Whats the run have to do with anything ? There's only wr's , ol and rb in a typical spread. No big personnel is used in majority of these offenses. . No TE or fb . And if they have a TE it's more of an H/wr that's wide, most can't run block anyways . Why would I need a 7 man box with just 5 ol blocking ?

If you're on in a pro/ base offense then I should be in a based D, but if you have 4-5 wr on the field then I need to have match that too. It isn't rocket science.

The presence of the run out the spread has A LOT to do with it. Don't try to minimize it to suit your argument.
How did having 5 Dbs help FSU vs Auburns spread read option offense? Mason had his second highest output of the year vs them.
And they even had trouble on passing plays covering the middle as it was open all game.

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

 

[niner]

Whats the run have to do with anything ? There's only wr's , ol and rb in a typical spread. No big personnel is used in majority of these offenses. . No TE or fb . And if they have a TE it's more of an H/wr that's wide, most can't run block anyways . Why would I need a 7 man box with just 5 ol blocking ?

If you're on in a pro/ base offense then I should be in a based D, but if you have 4-5 wr on the field then I need to have match that too. It isn't rocket science.

The LB was covering a TE who so happened to go out wide. Now tell me, at what point is a defense supposed to substitute a LB for a DB? Is it when you see the TE in the huddle? Or is it when the TE goes out wide? When he goes out wide, ITS TOO LATE TO SUBSTITUTE! or is that also rocket science?

Or would you prefer a DB (who most of the time is shorter/smaller than a TE) to be lined up out wide with him, only for him to be blocked out of the play when a run happens from this formation - which is what happened on this play.

Seeing how you have evaluated the film for this game, how many times was the same personnel used by us when they ran the same formation? How many times did it work vs how many times did it get stuffed? Or did it never work?

FYI - we won that game...

Well Va went up and down the field all game like majority of our opponents , but we won.

As for the question. This is when film and tendencies come into play. If you're playing a team and they're a finesse offense why would you need a fourth lb? Like Unc, there was no need. They were clearly a pass only team with no running game . Only real weapon was Ebron and we couldn't stop him all day. Why continue to keep lbs on him? Why not have a lb and a S bracket him? It took a thousand yards in a half to realize he was good. But we knew that coming in.

Once again , our db's were our strength , playing a spread team shouldn't be whipping our *** this bad. Schematically speaking.

This VA team ran the ball 46 times, passed 45 times, so what are their tenancies?

Did you evaluate the film? Did we play a LB on a TE every time m2m, or did we zone cover them any? Did a DB ever cover the TE at all?Would you want to play them the same way EVERY time they run the same alignment?

You act as if Virginia is some high scoring sophisticated offense....THEY FINISHED 110TH in that department. Every FBS school except for Maryland held them for less yards than we did.

Go to the Ball State boads if you want any of your questions answered. They did better than we did... Don't be offended if they said that it was their scheeemz and TALENT.

Child Please! Who said they were a sophisticated offense? WHO?

If you are going to jump into a conversation, understand what is being discussed.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Where are the "4-3" base scheemzz experts out there? There is now a new "nickel and dime" crew who wants their scheemz used more? LMAO, cannot make this stuff up. The D cord guru's are out in full force, dissecting ONE play......ONE play and using that as the example for the entire season. And to top it off, can't even agree on what personnel should have been used on that ONE play. :ibisroflmao:

you do realize that these coaches have put out 2 of the worst defenses in school history back to back?

you realize that in the depths of the Coker/Shannon disaster circa 2006-2008 or so, we NEVER had a defense that was as bad as F.A.G.'s best defense at Miami?

what in the world could make anyone think that these clowns know wtf they are doing. it is so plainly obvious and anyone defending them looks like they're trolling

If you are such a history buff, you would know they were not the worst in school history. Terrible yes, not worse in school history.

Whats the most we won in those circa 2006-2008 seasons? 7 games max, even with defenses that were better. So you are telling me you prefer a better D with less wins? Eff that, I will take the wins all day and twice on Sundays.

Didnt this staff have a top 20 D last year at Temple? Didnt Golden as DC for VA have a top 20 D his last year? or nah?

No, Golden actually regressed back to the mean in his last year at UVA

2001: 93
2002: 100
2003: 67
2004: 18
2005: 60

For perspective:

Temple
2006: 117
2007: 44
2008: 81
2009: 32
2010: 16

Miami
2011: 45
2012: 116
2013: 90

So basically 2 Top 20 defenses in his entire experience as a coach. And people call him a "defensive coach" just as a reminder.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

you know when people use Temples defenses his first 3 seasons what type of clowns you're dealing with.
Yeah lets hold it against him that those defenses sucked as if he was supposed to come into to Temple and turn them into a top 20 defense over night. Can't make this stuff up the lengths people to go.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

you know when people use Temples defenses his first 3 seasons what type of clowns you're dealing with.
Yeah lets hold it against him that those defenses sucked as if he was supposed to come into to Temple and turn them into a top 20 defense over night. Can't make this stuff up the lengths people to go.

He sure did great at a BCS school as a defensive coordinator. Why did Golden regress so drastically from year 4 to 5 as a defensive coordinator?

 

[niner]

Where are the "4-3" base scheemzz experts out there? There is now a new "nickel and dime" crew who wants their scheemz used more? LMAO, cannot make this stuff up. The D cord guru's are out in full force, dissecting ONE play......ONE play and using that as the example for the entire season. And to top it off, can't even agree on what personnel should have been used on that ONE play. :ibisroflmao:

you do realize that these coaches have put out 2 of the worst defenses in school history back to back?

you realize that in the depths of the Coker/Shannon disaster circa 2006-2008 or so, we NEVER had a defense that was as bad as F.A.G.'s best defense at Miami?

what in the world could make anyone think that these clowns know wtf they are doing. it is so plainly obvious and anyone defending them looks like they're trolling

If you are such a history buff, you would know they were not the worst in school history. Terrible yes, not worse in school history.

Whats the most we won in those circa 2006-2008 seasons? 7 games max, even with defenses that were better. So you are telling me you prefer a better D with less wins? Eff that, I will take the wins all day and twice on Sundays.

Didnt this staff have a top 20 D last year at Temple? Didnt Golden as DC for VA have a top 20 D his last year? or nah?

No, Golden actually regressed back to the mean in his last year at UVA

2001: 93
2002: 100
2003: 67
2004: 18
2005: 60

For perspective:

Temple
2006: 117
2007: 44
2008: 81
2009: 32
2010: 16

Miami
2011: 45
2012: 116
2013: 90

So basically 2 Top 20 defenses in his entire experience as a coach. And people call him a "defensive coach" just as a reminder.

You are right, not his last defense, but his second to last was a top 20. Now that we got that tid bit out of the way, its still a top 20 defense like I said. The point I was making, because it looks like you missed it, was that his D has produced top 20 defenses as opposed to him saying it has never happened.

So now,you have done all your fact checking, and verified that in fact he has produced 2 top 20 defenses, Thank you.

You gotta learn how to stay on topic home slice. Your skills at reading between the lines is cloudy.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

you know when people use Temples defenses his first 3 seasons what type of clowns you're dealing with.
Yeah lets hold it against him that those defenses sucked as if he was supposed to come into to Temple and turn them into a top 20 defense over night. Can't make this stuff up the lengths people to go.

He sure did great at a BCS school as a defensive coordinator. Why did Golden regress so drastically from year 4 to 5 as a defensive coordinator?

Who knows? It's UVA. 2nd tier school. Golden had regression once oh no the horror.. Let's indict him on that as if no coach has ever regressed in any area of measure.
The DC that everyone loves to slurp Darnuzzi regressed yearly at MSU until he broke through his 5th year.
What does that tell you about the way you evaluate things and the flaw in it?

 

[killa1storm]

5 WRs?

no problem, I'll slide 270 lb shayon greene outside to cover the slot

singed, Al Golden

Where is the rest of the play? Just because he line up over the slot doesn't mean he is playing man to man. He be redirecting him and dropping back to cover his zone. This isn't flag football.

It doesn't matter if he is in zone. He is still a liability in space, period. He is a 265-270 DE after 2 major knee surgeries. OC's get paid lots of money to know this and I'm sure they're telling their qb's if he drops in zone, that's your read. Throw there, period.

He 's less of a liability then some green db who probably doesn't know what zone he is responsible for. Who do you think those OC's who get paid a lot of money go after first? The green db!

Possibly true. But even still, the formation is more a problem than the personnel there IMO. UVA has 6 in the box to Miami's 5. If they get hat on a hate, that's a 5 yard gain on a run at a minimum. At the top of the screen they have 2 WR's on 1 corner which gives them the option of throwing quick screen out there and picking up some yardage as well. That OLB is in no-man's land in that formation, he can't defend the run or the pass successfully.

And only having 5 defenders in the box is compounded by having the 2 safeties play deep. You could maybe get away with it if you drop one of them down but if not, that's an easy 5 yard gain. Miami's defense is out leveraged in at least 3 spots there pre-snap. Unless you have freaks all over the field they're giving up a nice chunk there regardless, its a simple numbers game.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

UVA had 5 in the box on that play

 

[WhatTheHell]

Even Saban has had a dose of reality and is transitioning to more nickel and dime stuff.

You can't trot out these massive front 7s and stay in a base 3-4 alignment when teams are splitting out 4 or 5 wide.

It's the behavior of a severely mentally challenged or stubborn individual.

So fiah corch Saban and change his schemezzz? Oh... He's transitioning because you just pulled some BS out of thin air and now it's fact for all the mopes to use. Brilliant!

Nice how you clowns just throw out some BS as facts. One could argue that his transitioning kept him from the National Championship this year and he should have stayed in the base more if your BS was actually based on fact. But let's not even entertain the idea that what you said is true unless you can back it up. Link or it's pure BS at its finest from one of the village mopes.

Do you ever get tired of being an absolute idiot, or is this the role you relish?

“I'm very committed to it, if anybody would play regular people against us,” he said. “But we're playing against so much three and four wideouts all the time, we're in nickel or dime. That's where the 3-4 defense is not really our base defense. You can pass rush better out of some kind of even front or flex front.”

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/nick_saban_says_hes_still_comm.html

With a normal person, I'd assume they'd slink away and realize how stupid and wrong they were, but unfortunately, you've proven to be a simpleton with no self-awareness, so I'm sure that won't be the case.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

I expect our DC to sub out personnel EVERY SINGLE TIME the opposing offense does it. Just like EVERY OTHER legit football program in the country (and Canada) from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL does.

SMDH

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

I expect our DC to sub out personnel EVERY SINGLE TIME the opposing offense does it. Just like EVERY OTHER legit football program in the country (and Canada) from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL does.

SMDH

I guess Bama is not a legit Program then.

I just figured out the root of the all the discord. Some of you guys think this is like in Madden where you can pause and sub on every play.
It's not and you can't especially against fast faced and huddle offenses. This aint madden.
SMDH.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

I expect our DC to sub out personnel EVERY SINGLE TIME the opposing offense does it. Just like EVERY OTHER legit football program in the country (and Canada) from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL does.

SMDH

I guess Bama is not a legit Program then.

I just figured out the root of the all the discord. Some of you guys think this is like in Madden where you can pause and sub on every play.
It's not and you can't especially against fast faced and huddle offenses. This aint madden.
SMDH.

Bama changes their personnel basically every time the opposition does.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

I expect our DC to sub out personnel EVERY SINGLE TIME the opposing offense does it. Just like EVERY OTHER legit football program in the country (and Canada) from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL does.

SMDH

I guess Bama is not a legit Program then.

I just figured out the root of the all the discord. Some of you guys think this is like in Madden where you can pause and sub on every play.
It's not and you can't especially against fast faced and huddle offenses. This aint madden.
SMDH.

Bama changes their personnel basically every time the opposition does.

No they don't. Hence why Saban is a proponent for slowing down the game. So he can sub players. Not being able to is what is putting his defenses and all other at a disadvantage.
If he and Beilema can't get the rule to pass you'll begin seeing him recruit more hybrid type LB's.

 

[RiDLer80]

UVA had 5 in the box on that play

6.

The quarterback is a run threat and the RB could have been used as a blocker.

 

[RiDLer80]

So like I said, going nickel isn't always necessarily the solution like you arm chair DC's think it is. Sure there is a time and a place for it. But you can't expect a DC to sub in players on every play depending on if the offense flexs out a TE or come out with 4 wrs. That's where having athletic OLBs that can can cover a zone if need be, blitz off the edge, support the run etc. Having guys like Figs, McCord, etc will do that for us this year. Last year we were stuck with what we had for better or for worse.
Also, with better safety play and being deeper at corner will allow a more aggressive defense to be called.

I expect our DC to sub out personnel EVERY SINGLE TIME the opposing offense does it. Just like EVERY OTHER legit football program in the country (and Canada) from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL does.

SMDH

I guess Bama is not a legit Program then.

I just figured out the root of the all the discord. Some of you guys think this is like in Madden where you can pause and sub on every play.
It's not and you can't especially against fast faced and huddle offenses. This aint madden.
SMDH.

Bama changes their personnel basically every time the opposition does.

No they don't. Hence why Saban is a proponent for slowing down the game. So he can sub players. Not being able to is what is putting his defenses and all other at a disadvantage.
If he and Beilema can't get the rule to pass you'll begin seeing him recruit more hybrid type LB's.

You're ******* stupid. IF the offense subs players, referees stand over the ball to allow the defense to sub as well.

If the defense gets caught with the wrong personnel in then that's completely on them because when an offense subs players, the defense is allowed to sub also.

 

[killa1storm]

UVA had 5 in the box on that play

You're right, but I counted the back as 6. Generally, if you can get hat on a hat coaches consider that a win because the back is basically 'free' as there isn't a 6th defender in the box to tackle him.

 

[Cribby]

UVA had 5 in the box on that play

6.

The quarterback is a run threat and the RB could have been used as a blocker.

Stop wasting your time.

 

[Coach Macho]

The QB is also considered a "blocker" in the read/option game.

A defender has to account for/stay with the QB, essentially "blocking" him away from the inside run game if the ball is given to the RB.

So yeah, we're out-numbered in the box.

We also look like **** at the top of the screen cause we're vulnerable to bubble.

And at the bottom of the screen Shayon Green's head-up alignment leaves us vulnerable to slants.

D'Onofrio's insistence on playing 2-high is what puts us in these predicaments. GTFO of 2-high, drop a Safety down, put Shayon back in the box and we'll be okay.

 

[Coach Macho]

Any OC worth his salt is gonna run the ball down our throat when he sees that alignment. And when they get tired of doing that, they can throw the bubble.

It's like child's play against our defense. That's why you see garbage offenses nickel and dime us all the way down the field.