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Memnon said:
I’m probably viewed by many as a TVD apologist, I don’t think so, but I get why people would say that because I don’t bash him in the same vein as I would some others, say a Malik Rosier for instance.

Because even last night, TVD played well enough to win, but the issue is that the mistakes he makes become amplified because his margin of error is very slim in order for our team to win. We’re not well Coached enough, or talented enough to where we can win in spite of QB play. We win when TVD is perfect, when he’s not on, we lose. Therefore, the brunt of everything else ends up falling on his shoulders even when everything isn’t necessarily always his fault.

His biggest issue right now is DC’s have been dropping LB’s/Safety’s in coverage shells on him & reading his eyes, that’s what’s causing his picks on underneath routes. He’s not seeing the Rover & expecting for them to either drift or play outside leverage, so his windows aren’t really there on the intermediate seam routes, but he’s throwing it anyway.

The majority of TVD’s success is coming from outside one on one matchups where our guys are getting open against Zones with their route running, but when they drop back in Quarters & dare TVD to throw it in traffic, he just won’t take what the Defense gives him & check the ball down. He’s ignoring the Hot route looking to make a big play & it’s costing him in the long run.

But I always caution people to be careful with their hasty bench TVD takes, because if people think QB play is bad now it can be much worse. I know you’re an Emory guy, but I don’t think he’s ready & might not be for another year or 2. Small sample size obviously, but the game will have to slow down for him before he can be expected to operate this Offense at the same level & not have a significant drop off in play. The playbook would basically be cut in half if he had to start.
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If all TVD can do is throw to his first read or to the open guy in 1 on 1 matchups, he's not a good QB - he's just good at throwing the ball to a target. A good QB should inspire confidence from his teammates, have the mental toughness to handle adversity, and have the mental awareness to see the field, understand coverages/read the defense, not stare down his target, and show good judgment in his decision-making. All the things that make you a good QB he doesn't have or hasn't shown.
 
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Memnon said:
I’m probably viewed by many as a TVD apologist, I don’t think so, but I get why people would say that because I don’t bash him in the same vein as I would some others, say a Malik Rosier for instance.

Because even last night, TVD played well enough to win, but the issue is that the mistakes he makes become amplified because his margin of error is very slim in order for our team to win. We’re not well Coached enough, or talented enough to where we can win in spite of QB play. We win when TVD is perfect, when he’s not on, we lose. Therefore, the brunt of everything else ends up falling on his shoulders even when everything isn’t necessarily always his fault.

His biggest issue right now is DC’s have been dropping LB’s/Safety’s in coverage shells on him & reading his eyes, that’s what’s causing his picks on underneath routes. He’s not seeing the Rover & expecting for them to either drift or play outside leverage, so his windows aren’t really there on the intermediate seam routes, but he’s throwing it anyway.

The majority of TVD’s success is coming from outside one on one matchups where our guys are getting open against Zones with their route running, but when they drop back in Quarters & dare TVD to throw it in traffic, he just won’t take what the Defense gives him & check the ball down. He’s ignoring the Hot route looking to make a big play & it’s costing him in the long run.

But I always caution people to be careful with their hasty bench TVD takes, because if people think QB play is bad now it can be much worse. I know you’re an Emory guy, but I don’t think he’s ready & might not be for another year or 2. Small sample size obviously, but the game will have to slow down for him before he can be expected to operate this Offense at the same level & not have a significant drop off in play. The playbook would basically be cut in half if he had to start.
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I agree with some of this. 100% with you on Emory the eye test tells you he isn't in TVD's league right now but everyones favorite QB is always the backup when things arem't going well. Though second half TVD did not play well enough to win like everyone else. You can't have those turnovers. My question about this team is who are the true leaders. There was a point in the game where you could see half of the team quit especially defensively. I feel like TVD is a lead by example guy which is pivotal but you also need the guy who is the effective communicator and I'm not sure who that is. That's what's most troubling.
 
Seeker said:
If all TVD can do is throw to his first read or to the open guy in 1 on 1 matchups, he's not a good QB - he's just good at throwing the ball to a target. A good QB should inspire confidence from his teammates, have the mental toughness to handle adversity, and have the mental awareness to see the field, understand coverages/read the defense, not stare down his target, and show good judgment in his decision-making. All the things that make you a good QB he doesn't have or hasn't shown.
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At QB it is 10x easier to get worse than get better. TVD is absolutely good enough to win us an ACC Championship.
Saying he's "just good at throwing the ball to a target"... well he is a QB, so that's a very important aspect to the game lol. I understand his downsides, and agree. Personally I think the off field stuff is personally where I dislike him the most. I actually disagree with the people who don't like that he isn't all fired up. TBH you want that at times, but in a QB you want them to be cool and calm and be able to move on easily. But yeah he's mostly a 1 read guy (not as much as people wanna make it seem though, its mostly that he really locks on guys like X too much sometimes).. but it mostly works. If he is more willing to take check downs and not just 100% lock on X, that alone will result in major improvement. TVD is a good QB for us. He isn't an elite playmaker. But theres not all that many of those.
 
Memnon said:
I’m probably viewed by many as a TVD apologist, I don’t think so, but I get why people would say that because I don’t bash him in the same vein as I would some others, say a Malik Rosier for instance.

Because even last night, TVD played well enough to win, but the issue is that the mistakes he makes become amplified because his margin of error is very slim in order for our team to win. We’re not well Coached enough, or talented enough to where we can win in spite of QB play. We win when TVD is perfect, when he’s not on, we lose. Therefore, the brunt of everything else ends up falling on his shoulders even when everything isn’t necessarily always his fault.

His biggest issue right now is DC’s have been dropping LB’s/Safety’s in coverage shells on him & reading his eyes, that’s what’s causing his picks on underneath routes. He’s not seeing the Rover & expecting for them to either drift or play outside leverage, so his windows aren’t really there on the intermediate seam routes, but he’s throwing it anyway.

The majority of TVD’s success is coming from outside one on one matchups where our guys are getting open against Zones with their route running, but when they drop back in Quarters & dare TVD to throw it in traffic, he just won’t take what the Defense gives him & check the ball down. He’s ignoring the Hot route looking to make a big play & it’s costing him in the long run.

But I always caution people to be careful with their hasty bench TVD takes, because if people think QB play is bad now it can be much worse. I know you’re an Emory guy, but I don’t think he’s ready & might not be for another year or 2. Small sample size obviously, but the game will have to slow down for him before he can be expected to operate this Offense at the same level & not have a significant drop off in play. The playbook would basically be cut in half if he had to start.
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I fully agree with this. It is soooo much easier to get worse than TVD than to get Better than TVD.
 
Seeker said:
If all TVD can do is throw to his first read or to the open guy in 1 on 1 matchups, he's not a good QB - he's just good at throwing the ball to a target. A good QB should inspire confidence from his teammates, have the mental toughness to handle adversity, and have the mental awareness to see the field, understand coverages/read the defense, not stare down his target, and show good judgment in his decision-making. All the things that make you a good QB he doesn't have or hasn't shown.
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That’s not all TVD can do & that’s not all he does, that’s just a simplified board narrative that gets repeated because most people have no idea what his reads actually are.

The majority of his throws aren’t even 1st read in the progressions.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Right. Manny did nothing and was expected to win the conference. Mario, you point to Oregon success, yet won’t hold him accountable for being worse than Manny at Miami. The difference is Mario should be better, but both should be held accountable.

What are you missing?
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you have to give Mario 8 years to get it right. we were recovering from a nuclear bomb didnt you hear
 
calinative umstudent said:
Did you stop drinking last night? Cause Who the **** is saying Mario is not expected to win the conference while Diaz was? You're literally arguing something you are making up. Who the **** is saying Mario can't be held accountable? I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote, cause you clearly didn't comprehend it or interpret it correctly.
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I did not drink last night. Miami-induced intoxication can be dangerous…

Bottom line: we lost. Mario is the HC. He’s responsible. No excuses.
 
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Memnon said:
That’s not all TVD can do & that’s not all he does, that’s just a simplified board narrative that gets repeated because most people have no idea what his reads actually are.

The majority of his throws aren’t even 1st read in the progressions.
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@Cribby has said this multiple times, but its easier sometimes to blame the QB and player than the actual coaching staff bc Mario has been granted some immunity by a lot of this board the moment he was hired
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Well after he build Oregon from the dust …
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that DL took apart and rebuilt completely cleaning house including portaling a new QB and skill talent bc of the lack of the same from the previous guy...oh **** this doesn't work. hes also on his second OC bc his first got an HC gig and his second OC still hasn't missed a beat
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
I fully expect life after TVD to be **** but I am over the roller coaster that is him. It would not surprise me at all to see him do well in the NFL. I just think he’s reached his ceiling here and I dont think the players rally to play with him
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If we don’t hit the Portal hard for a QB next year if TVD leaves, it’s gonna be a long long 2024 lol
 
hoops156 said:
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@Cribby has said this multiple times, but its easier sometimes to blame the QB and player than the actual coaching staff bc Mario has been granted some immunity by a lot of this board the moment he was hired
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you can face palm all you want. through 18 games, we have been bad on all sides (on and off field). there is no culture shift other than some nice words. hes pretty much al golden at this point. sorry but this is the same mistakes week in week out against p5 comp.
 
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Jaden Davis shouldn't be put on an island against their best receiver. He needs safety support. On the two TDs to Tez Walker, the safeties were completely unaware of the the receiver going vertical down the field.
 
Seeker said:
If all TVD can do is throw to his first read or to the open guy in 1 on 1 matchups, he's not a good QB - he's just good at throwing the ball to a target. A good QB should inspire confidence from his teammates, have the mental toughness to handle adversity, and have the mental awareness to see the field, understand coverages/read the defense, not stare down his target, and show good judgment in his decision-making. All the things that make you a good QB he doesn't have or hasn't shown.
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everything you just typed is 100% inaccurate about TVD.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Did you stop drinking last night? Cause Who the **** is saying Mario is not expected to win the conference while Diaz was? You're literally arguing something you are making up. Who the **** is saying Mario can't be held accountable? I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote, cause you clearly didn't comprehend it or interpret it correctly.
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I know you may not think that but a lot this board has given Mario a pass to even be competent. we dont need to win the ACC this year but we shouldn't be this where we dont look improved at all once the g5 **** cans went away. we made mistakes against ATM but TVD and O bailed us out and put It on atm (turnover issues were present there and still couldn't run the ball). it was a great win and I gave a ton of credit to the staff for that game and not pulling an MTSU again.

against p5 off a bye, we looked like **** from a coaching aspect, game plan aspect, to on field performance against a really bad tech team at home. then go to UNC and the same issues are present (no run game, penalties, turnovers, coaching gaffes)
 
calinative umstudent said:
OLine doesn't get much run blocking on the inside zones we constantly run. But I wouldn't say they don't get any run blocking. Theres a difference. Our OLine gets our RBs quite a lot of yards before contact as a whole. Our RBs don't really do anything more than the Oline provides is one of the problems...
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well ive said forever we need to get more explosion out of the position but we play two slow backs imo. CJ JR needs to be incorporated
 
during those in-game interviews with the sideline chick mario always looks like he's having a nervous breakdown. just breathe through ur nose and chill bro. agree with OP that there is a correlation between mario's "intensity for intensity's sake" and **** cascading failures like we had in the 3rd quarter - and many other times in his tenure. like, if ur head coach's answer everything something goes wrong is: "be more intense bro, be more physical," that seems counterproductive to actually solving whatever schematic/execution issues in the game that have lead to ****ups.

regardless of that tho, this was tough matchup for this team on the road against a very good team. there was a good reason why guidry was blitzing everybody to start the game - cause he knew if maye had time they were going to feast on our secondary (sans porter, who i don't remember even being challenged), and their running back is very good and powerful and when LT doesn't show up our interior DL gonna get bullied. losing the turnover battle killed us - can't lose possessions and points on the road against a team that good.

am worried mario's tenure is gonna be slow-moving disaster. his best quality - recruiting and building relationships - is kinda moot now in this day and age of paying recruits out in the open. think there's been a few blue chippers this year that he's been recruiting since they were in middle school and they're all going to elite programs and not here. hopefully science makes huge advancements in brain transplant surgery quickly
 
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