Possible D-Line/DT Coach

[DTP]

Minnesota fans out here thinking we can’t just take whatever we want from them. Listen hoser, we’ll give your water boy 6 figures if he can keep Mario’s cafecito full. Like it’s incredibly hard to convince a Haitian to leave Minnesota for Miami.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I’d have Hetherman coach LB and have 2 for both DL and DB.

Given this guys ties to our HC and DC, he would make sense.

Ok but why? Why have Hetherman coach LBs I'm addition to his coordinator duties? What's the downside of also having a LB coach? Why should we limit ourselves to 5 defensive coaches including the DC?

 

[bacane]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

Ah, can’t pursue an unlisted coach. Not when Jess Simpson and Coach Joe rank high on the list. Lol

 

[SaiyaMan305]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

Man Big Game Boomer really not including this guy on the list is def a reason as to why he wont be good. All knowledgeable Big Game Boomer.

 

[MedleyCane]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

Very subjective list.
Nice graphics though.

 

[skeeter]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

Not defending or backing WD but who cares?

The guy who makes these lists a complete idiot fanboy who no one respects. Next.

 

[Gables Cane]

Arbitrary lists don’t mean to me.

Pay attention to how knowledgeable fans react when another team poaches their position coach. Are they irate, ho-hum, or don’t give a ****. While not gospel, directionally it provides a better indication of what you are getting.

 

[Salt]

I had been wondering when the "Um cArTel mOney" thingie would be mentioned and...there it is....I think.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Interesting interview.

Go Canes

 

[Calicane02]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

Having Odell Haggins at #3 for 2023 and #5 for 2024, loses all credibility with these rankings

 

[Memnon]

Coaching DLine really isn't that difficult.

You mostly just teach hand fighting & leverage techniques.

The most difficult aspect of it is getting 270-300+ guys to understand situational & assignment football. Being discipline against the run & understanding gap responsibilities.

But most of what DL's do is stuff you can't teach. It's a raw strength & effort position. You either have it or you don't. You can be the best Coach in the world, but if a kid isn't internally motivated it won't matter how much you teach & how many tricks of the trade you give him.

I honestly believe it's more a recruiter position than anything. If you recruit via HS & Portal elite DL's, the rest is up to the S&C program & the player themselves.

Trust & believe, there's no secret formula that Larry Johnson or Mike Elston, or Tray Scott teaches that every other DL Coach doesn't teach or have access to; its as simple as, the programs who consistently recruit the biggest freak of nature athletes at DT & DE, consistently have the best Defensive lines.

Back before NIL, it was more prudent for us to find a real DL guru so to speak, in order to supplement for the fact we could never land top tier DLineman. But now in the open free agency market it's a whole lot easier & simpler; Spend the money to get the best players.

If you don't wanna spend what it takes to get the best DL's, then you live with the results.

 

[JHallCanes]

Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

Go Canes

2025 and people still using these charts

 

[Jiren]

Coaching DLine really isn't that difficult.

You mostly just teach hand fighting & leverage techniques.

The most difficult aspect of it is getting 270-300+ guys to understand situational & assignment football. Being discipline against the run & understanding gap responsibilities.

But most of what DL's do is stuff you can't teach. It's a raw strength & effort position. You either have it or you don't. You can be the best Coach in the world, but if a kid isn't internally motivated it won't matter how much you teach & how many tricks of the trade you give him.

I honestly believe it's more a recruiter position than anything. If you recruit via HS & Portal elite DL's, the rest is up to the S&C program & the player themselves.

Trust & believe, there's no secret formula that Larry Johnson or Mike Elston, or Tray Scott teaches that every other DL Coach doesn't teach or have access to; its as simple as, the programs who consistently recruit the biggest freak of nature athletes at DT & DE, consistently have the best Defensive lines.

Back before NIL, it was more prudent for us to find a real DL guru so to speak, in order to supplement for the fact we could never land top tier DLineman. But now in the open free agency market it's a whole lot easier & simpler; Spend the money to get the best players.

If you don't wanna spend what it takes to get the best DL's, then you live with the results.

This might be one of the worst takes of all time. Ask any coach who knows anything, knows DL is one of the most developmental positions in all of football.

 

[Rickd]

This might be one of the worst takes of all time. Ask any coach who knows anything, knows DL is one of the most developmental positions in all of football.

The trenches ... both sides. OL is an incredibly difficult position to play ... legally.

 

[Memnon]

This might be one of the worst takes of all time. Ask any coach who knows anything, knows DL is one of the most developmental positions in all of football.

Development in terms of physical maturity & growing, not teaching.

There is nothing that you can teach a DL his Junior year that he wasn’t already taught his Freshman year, the difference is he's just bigger & stronger as a Junior.

I don't need to ask any Coach who knows anything, I was literally on staff with them, DL Coaches don't teach much of anything knew. They literally all teach the exact same thing.

The guys who have the best DL's always look like the best teachers because they have the best athletes.

You think Oh ST, Michigan & UGA are developing undersized DLineman?? They're signing elite caliber 4 & 5-star athletes, then getting them stronger, that's really all it is.

 

[Calinative]

Development in terms of physical maturity & growing, not teaching.

There is nothing that you can teach a DL his Junior year that he wasn’t already taught his Freshman year, the difference is he's just bigger & stronger as a Junior.

I don't need to ask any Coach who knows anything, I was literally on staff with them, DL Coaches don't teach much of anything knew. They literally all teach the exact same thing.

The guys who have the best DL's always look like the best teachers because they have the best athletes.

You think Oh ST, Michigan & UGA are developing undersized DLineman?? They're signing elite caliber 4 & 5-star athletes, then getting them stronger, that's really all it is.

Id agree that Technique isn’t the primary differentiator in what makes a DLine coach good/great. It’s not even close to Oline in that aspect. Dlineman can be the dumbest players on the team, they don’t even really gotta know much. It’s about getting the effort out of them and to maintain gap integrity and play the run as hard as the pass. And not to do anything blatantly and stupid that is avoidable. So yeah It’s all the rest of the aspects you described… with DC play calling/scheme alignment to that talent as well.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Gaby speculated on the defensive staff structure, suggesting Jason Taylor could oversee the entire defensive line, supported either by an assistant defensive line coach or a hands-on analyst like Devin Santana last year. This setup would allow for two secondary coaches and LB coach, with Corey Hetherman either flexing across all defensive positions or him focusing on linebackers if an assistant DL coach is added.

 

[JHallCanes]

This might be one of the worst takes of all time. Ask any coach who knows anything, knows DL is one of the most developmental positions in all of football.

He literally laid out what was developmental about it if you actually read the post

But I think this is why the board in general shouldn’t use the word “development” because most don’t understand what it means

 

[Memnon]

Penn ST has been producing Elite NFL pass rushers over the last 5+ years,

With guys like Yetur Gross-Matos, Chop Robinson, Micah Parsons, Odafe Oweh, Addisa Isaac & Abdul Carter will be another in this upcoming draft.

Do you guys honestly believe that Deion Barnes is teaching those guys a special way how to rush the passer that no other DL Coach is teaching?

Or... Were each of those guys High 4/5-star players coming outta of HS?

 

[Jiren]

Development in terms of physical maturity & growing, not teaching.

There is nothing that you can teach a DL his Junior year that he wasn’t already taught his Freshman year, the difference is he's just bigger & stronger as a Junior.

I don't need to ask any Coach who knows anything, I was literally on staff with them, DL Coaches don't teach much of anything knew. They literally all teach the exact same thing.

The guys who have the best DL's always look like the best teachers because they have the best athletes.

You think Oh ST, Michigan & UGA are developing undersized DLineman?? They're signing elite caliber 4 & 5-star athletes, then getting them stronger, that's really all it is.

I was on staff with them too. At the highest level. That speaks volumes to how bad the DL coaching was wherever you were.

I joined a staff where there was 0 All conference DL before I got there, the prior DL coach was a LB guy (and a pretty good Lb coach at that) .

The first season I was there, we had 4 all conference DL. All of them were there the years prior. You mean to tell me nothing I taught them mattered because they only got bigger and stronger? Makes no sense