Possible D-Line/DT Coach

He literally laid out what was developmental about it if you actually read the post

But I think this is why the board in general shouldn’t use the word “development” because most don’t understand what it means
I was referring to Coaching development not SC development.

Know the difference since you don’t understand what I was referring to
 
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DL has always since the dawn of football been about effort, motor and attitude.
When you get those qualities in a freak..you have something special.
Everything else is just BS coach speak.
OL is a complete different story so stop comparing them.
 
I was on staff with them too. At the highest level. That speaks volumes to how bad the DL coaching was wherever you were.

I joined a staff where there was 0 All conference DL before I got there, the prior DL coach was a LB guy (and a pretty good Lb coach at that) .

The first season I was there, we had 4 all conference DL. All of them were there the years prior. You mean to tell me nothing I taught them mattered because they only got bigger and stronger? Makes no sense
What techniques are you teaching that no other DL Coach in the country isn't teaching?

And what techniques are being taught at programs like Michigan, UGA, OH ST, Penn ST etc that aren't being taught elsewhere?

If Coaching DLineman really is as technical as you're saying, then explain why the best DL's are coincidentally only playing for the best teams?

Again, why are certain programs producing a higher number of NFL caliber DLineman as opposed to others? Is it all correlated to the fact that those schools also just happen to have best recruits at that position as well?
 
Penn ST has been producing Elite NFL pass rushers over the last 5+ years,

With guys like Yetur Gross-Matos, Chop Robinson, Micah Parsons, Odafe Oweh, Addisa Isaac & Abdul Carter will be another in this upcoming draft.

Do you guys honestly believe that Deion Barnes is teaching those guys a special way how to rush the passer that no other DL Coach is teaching?

Or... Were each of those guys High 4/5-star players coming outta of HS?
PSU values pure athleticism when it comes to recruiting perhaps more than any program in the country imo. And that aligns very well with EDGE prospects (same for RBs, CBs, and maybe TEs). Funny thing is everyone wants the most athletic WRs and PSU usually has some great athletes there but you can see how they don’t actually typically get great production out of them…

At the end of the day for EDGE, length, bend, explosiveness, and strength basically entirely determine who the best EDGEs are. Bend probably hardest to ID coming out of HS, and obviously not everyone that is great athletes ends up still improving in college.

But also not sure they’ve been all that great at DT…. So maybe their strategy hasn’t really worked all that great across the board. Meanwhile Pitt has produced a lot of great DLine across the board. Maybe it’s just something about who these schools in Pennsylvania are recruiting lol…

Honestly if you put great talent in a simple attacking scheme they will be good. Not too complicated
 
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What techniques are you teaching that no other DL Coach in the country isn't teaching?

And what techniques are being taught at programs like Michigan, UGA, OH ST, Penn ST etc that aren't being taught elsewhere?

If Coaching DLineman really is as technical as you're saying, then explain why the best DL's are coincidentally only playing for the best teams?

Again, why are certain programs producing a higher number of NFL caliber DLineman as opposed to others? Is it all correlated to the fact that those schools also just happen to have best recruits at that position as well?
Theres a multitude of reasons why.

But let me be objective to your reasoning, so what would you consider the most difficult positions to develop?
 
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PSU values pure athleticism when it comes to recruiting perhaps more than any program in the country imo. And that aligns very well with EDGE prospects (same for RBs, CBs, and maybe TEs). Funny thing is everyone wants the most athletic WRs and PSU usually has some great athletes there but you can see how they don’t actually typically get great production out of them…

At the end of the day for EDGE, length, bend, explosiveness, and strength basically entirely determine who the best EDGEs are. Bend probably hardest to ID coming out of HS, and obviously not everyone that is great athletes ends up still improving in college.

But also not sure they’ve been all that great at DT…. So maybe their strategy hasn’t really worked all that great across the board. Meanwhile Pitt has produced a lot o great DLine across the board. Maybe it’s just something about who these schools in Pennsylvania are recruiting lol…

Honestly if you put great talent in a simple attacking scheme they will be good. Not too complicated

I don't think StatePenn values anything that other college programs don't regarding football players. Their major advantage is being "The School" in the northeast and Mid-Atlantic. Lots of big, twitchy guys in NJ, Philly, DMV and Tidewater areas and aside from an occasional NLame or OSU poach, they own it. I say this as a Maryland grad who lives nearby so I doubly hate the Ped State program.
 
Of course…. It’s pretty widely agreed on QB, OL and DL are the 3 positions that are
It's not OL across the board though, it's specific to LT & to a lesser extent RT.

LG, C & RG are much easier to develop than the Tackle positions.

DL is a difficult to develop PHYSICALLY, because freak athletes on that side of the ball are rare & it's a mixture of genetics combined with a good strength program to get them to maximum level of their potential.

But in terms of COACHING, DLine Coaching isn't on the same level as QB, OL, WR, CB & Safety COACHING in terms of technical ability & teaching.

There is nothing that you can teach an undersized & badly built kid to play like Jordan Davis or Jalen Carter. Those two dudes are just genetic freaks of nature.

Do you think Gregory Rousseau got some kinda special teaching at Miami that he wouldn't have gotten anywhere else that made him into a 1st rounder? I mean considering the 3 different DL coaches he had during his time in Miami, I'm not sure what secret recipe each coach passed down to the other, but I think him being a 6'7 freak of nature had something to do with it.
 
Again, what are these special techniques that are being taught at UGA, Mich & Oh ST that isn't being taught elsewhere?

@Jiren, answer me that & I'll agree with you.
 
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It's not OL across the board though, it's specific to LT & to a lesser extent RT.

LG, C & RG are much easier to develop than the Tackle positions.

DL is a difficult to develop PHYSICALLY, because freak athletes on that side of the ball are rare & it's a mixture of genetics combined with a good strength program to get them to maximum level of their potential.

But in terms of COACHING, DLine Coaching isn't on the same level as QB, OL, WR, CB & Safety COACHING in terms of technical ability & teaching.

There is nothing that you can teach an undersized & badly built kid to play like Jordan Davis or Jalen Carter. Those two dudes are just genetic freaks of nature.

Do you think Gregory Rousseau got some kinda special teaching at Miami that he wouldn't have gotten anywhere else that made him into a 1st rounder? I mean considering the 3 different DL coaches he had during his time in Miami, I'm not sure what secret recipe each coach passed down to the other, but I think him being a 6'7 freak of nature had something to do with it.
It’s LT because the extreme athletes/development of edge rushers at that level. It’s still OL in general. Obviously tackles are more difficult to develop hence the premium that’s put on it.

You think CB, Safety and WR are more developmental? Those coaches are a dime a dozen. You couldn’t find a p4 or nfl coach who’d agree with that.

You’re naming select first round picks who have the elite of elite traits. Every DL coaches different techniques. It’s hitting on your evals, plus development at the position. It’s not one or the other. In no world is any position one or the other. Carter was ranked as the 33rd LB in country and barely in the top 300 nationally. So you’re telling me he didn’t get developed at the position at all? I can make that same argument for WR/CB the best athletes reign supreme.
 
I don't think StatePenn values anything that other college programs don't regarding football players. Their major advantage is being "The School" in the northeast and Mid-Atlantic. Lots of big, twitchy guys in NJ, Philly, DMV and Tidewater areas and aside from an occasional NLame or OSU poach, they own it. I say this as a Maryland grad who lives nearby so I doubly hate the Ped State program.
It's not about valuing it while others don't. Its about how much emphasis you're placing on those traits in deciding who you are targeting/prioritizing. It's like comparing the Colts in the draft to the Rams. Obviously NFL teams value Athleticism, but it's all to varying degrees how strongly they care about it. Colts have the most athletic team in the NFL, while the Rams have likely the least athletic team relatively. (Yet the Rams draft exceptionally well for the most part)...

But anyways, aside from the schools that are bigger and take what they want from their main recruiting areas, they clean up. Hmm sounds like Miami in South Florida lol.
 
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So @Memnon is saying that Dline coaches are unnecessary and the players don't need to be taught anything just recruit behemoths and the position coaches itself?

Or are you saying it doesn't take as much development in comparison to other positions?
 
So @Memnon is saying that Dline coaches are unnecessary and the players don't need to be taught anything just recruit behemoths and the position coaches itself?

Or are you saying it doesn't take as much development in comparison to other positions?
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