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Please stop saying we have ELITE ATHLETES

Cane passion said:
Yes I understand our OC/DC could be better with play calling but name me more than two players on our starting offense and defense that could start on bama or Ohio state? Me personally after Greg R their is no one else. These kids gotta make plays.
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Elite players don't lose to FIU. Looking back to the 2001 team with an average at best head coach.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
I can see a little if both sides.

we need a new innovative offense. Do I think we have great personnel? No, heck our best 2 offensive Players didn’t play (DJ and Brevin) then Cam was averaging 5.6 he went down. Then our OL was dropping like flies. I have never seen so many injuries on one side of the ball in one game.

we were depleted, but our scheme and Play calling Gave us little chance.

jarren has regressed badly.

brevin and will are only players I see on this offense drafted in first 3 rounds down the road. So yes their also is a lack of elite talent.
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we lost to and couldnt score against FIU. We barely scored against Central Michigan.

I was done wayyyy b4 this game and bet money on Duke to win going away.

This offense is DEAD. I mean they are losing by double scores and still huddling and hiking the ball under 10 seconds in every game we lost.

Enos HAS to go.
 
dirtyred786 said:
We do have better athletes than most teams we play. And I'm not gonna base this on rivals and scout, I'm gonna base this argument on VEGAS. Three times this year, we lost when favored by double digits. Guys in Vegas set these spreads for a living. This is their livelihood. You think they didnt do their homework? They looked at our roster and our opponents and said we should blow these teams out. Our coaches said, "not so fast my friend"
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Las Vegas didn't do any homework and they didn't look at our roster. They put up the poinstpreads dictated by power ratings. You can see how well it works because they don't have to devote more than one minute per game with that method yet it divides the action very well and also falls in line with the results. When no team in 40 years had lost 3 times as favorite of 14+ that gives you an indication the power ratings are reliable. We are fixated on the one exception as opposed to 40 years of examples.
 
Dwinstitles said:
It's a mixture of both but coaching is the main issue.
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People fail to realize that elite players don't want to languish in mediocrity. We get some really good players, but the coaching has sucked for years. Want better players? Go 11-2 next year, we'll see better players start picking us.
 
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Coach Macho said:
The whole recruiting service thing is not an exact science but it's more accurate now than it's ever been.
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Exactly correct. It's more accurate that it's ever been, due to more services getting involved and more tape availability and word of mouth, etc.

Wisdom of the crowd instead of guesses by a few

That increased accuracy combined with a handful of blueblood programs taking advantage has lead to increased disparity in college football. Considerably more difficult to crack that top handful due to sheer manpower advantage. That's why I always have to laugh when some team like Wisconsin is touted in midseason as national title contender. Sure, I love the way they play. They can push Miami around. But they simply aren't talented enough to run the table.

Fans who tout teams like that are using the old standards of college football and not the new reality. For example, Miami 1983 could not happen today. That dominant Nebraska team would be legitimately more dominant. They'd have fewer holes and more stars, after being near the top for so long and stockpiling blue chip recruits. There would be no 17-0 lead out of the gate.

Yes, Miami is more talented than other ACC Coastal teams. Who cares? That hardly birthrights one victory after another. The Canes are not talented enough or good enough to be favored by high amounts on their own merit. For example, when we lost to FIU our power rating on Sagarin was 78 to FIU's 55. That looks substantial. Meanwhile a 78 team is mediocre as ****. That is true this year and will always be true. It's like going to a race track and trusting some mediocre horse as odds-on favorite in an allowance race just because the remainder of the field looks worse. Lotsa luck with that strategy. Let me know how you fare.

As I've posted for years, we are at least 10-14 points from fringe legitimacy. Once that power rating is 88 to 93 level then you can reasonably expect to pull out close games and wind up 9-3 or thereabouts. It is not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama level. More like Michigan or Notre Dame or Auburn level, to identify teams that occupy that range frequently.

In watching the Duke tape today our athletes are not close to 90 power rating level. No reason to kid ourselves otherwise. It doesn't require watching more than one quarter.

The administrators and moderators here do a great job overall but they are too close to the program and therefore inflate talent perception and expectation every offseason. When it doesn't pan out that way they can't blame themselves for being suckered, so they rant about coaching.

We are a Crowd program, not Cream. Perceived advantage from Crowd to Crowd could not be more fragile. That's our annual predicament within the ACC.
 
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stormsurge said:
2017 NFL Draft by college

Michigan: 11
Alabama: 10
Miami: 9
LSU: 8
Florida: 8
Utah: 8
Ohio State: 7
Tennessee: 6
North Carolina: 6
Clemson: 6


2018 NFL Draft by college:

12: Alabama
7: LSU, NC State, Ohio State
6: Florida State, Georgia, Miami, Penn State
5: Florida, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Washington, Wisconsin

that's not too shabby

both years top 10 talent

we got talent, good enough to be top 10-15 right now
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Maybe. Coaching aside, the adage about a chain being as strong as its weakest link has relevance. It’s not just a few kids who can make an NFL roster who matter. You wouldn’t judge a stock portfolio by its best few positions. We have had too many unfilled scholarships, too many useless dead wood spots, lack of balance, lack of progression, lack of maturity and 4th/5th year kids, and lack of lunch pail grinders. We also have had weak lines, sometimes crap kicking, terrible QB play and awful ST generally for far too much of the past 20 years. Simplistic reference to the nfl draft doesn’t explain this story well. We have evaluated poorly, balanced our classes poorly, plenty of mistakes to go on top of terrible coaching.
 
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Cane passion said:
Yes I understand our OC/DC could be better with play calling but name me more than two players on our starting offense and defense that could start on bama or Ohio state? Me personally after Greg R their is no one else. These kids gotta make plays.
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Totally agree. Tired of the BS bout Miami talent level. Yeah, coaching is a mess, but last two games against FIU and Duke were telling. Sub-par teams with minimal talent, yet they had superior QB and OL play. Really, FIU & Duke QBs outplayed our jokers. Will continue struggling to beat the Central Michigan's of the world until it gets straightened out.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Exactly correct. It's more accurate that it's ever been, due to more services getting involved and more tape availability and word of mouth, etc.

Wisdom of the crowd instead of guesses by a few

That increased accuracy combined with a handful of blueblood programs taking advantage has lead to increased disparity in college football. Considerably more difficult to crack that top handful due to sheer manpower advantage. That's why I always have to laugh when some team like Wisconsin is touted in midseason as national title contender. Sure, I love the way they play. They can push Miami around. But they simply aren't talented enough to run the table.

Fans who tout teams like that are using the old standards of college football and not the new reality. For example, Miami 1983 could not happen today. That dominant Nebraska team would be legitimately more dominant. They'd have fewer holes and more stars, after being near the top for so long and stockpiling blue chip recruits. There would be no 17-0 lead out of the gate.

Yes, Miami is more talented than other ACC Coastal teams. Who cares? That hardly birthrights one victory after another. The Canes are not talented enough or good enough to be favored by high amounts on their own merit. For example, when we lost to FIU our power rating on Sagarin was 78 to FIU's 55. That looks substantial. Meanwhile a 78 team is mediocre as ****. That is true this year and will always be true. It's like going to a race track and trusting some mediocre horse as odds-on favorite in an allowance race just because the remainder of the field looks worse. Lotsa luck with that strategy. Let me know how you fare.

As I've posted for years, we are at least 10-14 points from fringe legitimacy. Once that power rating is 88 to 93 level then you can reasonably expect to pull out close games and wind up 9-3 or thereabouts. It is not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama level. More like Michigan or Notre Dame or Auburn level, to identify teams that occupy that range frequently.

In watching the Duke tape today our athletes are not close to 90 power rating level. No reason to kid ourselves otherwise. It doesn't require watching more than one quarter.

The administrators and moderators here do a great job overall but they are too close to the program and therefore inflate talent perception and expectation every offseason. When it doesn't pan out that way they can't blame themselves for being suckered, so they rant about coaching.

We are a Crowd program, not Cream. Perceived advantage from Crowd to Crowd could not be more fragile. That's our annual predicament within the ACC.
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This is somewhat true but somewhat off.

That NB game just happened. It was just Clemson doing the upsetting. Cam Newton did it. Vince Young did. Pete Carroll did it at USC.

New coaches will build programs when they have access to top talent. And programs following yesterday’s blueprint will get knocked off, just like Nebraska did. What stings is we don’t have that program builder anymore. Miami in ‘83 was Kosar, Highsmith, Eddie Brown, Albert Bentley, Glenn Dennison, Heffernan, ***an, Fitzpatrick, Brophy, Bellinger. It wasn’t that CFB was easier back then. It was that we had better talent and better coaching.

As far as recruiting, people misunderstand the implications of information transparency. There are fewer roster spots today IIRC than in the ‘80s for the top teams (can’t recall when the 85 man limit came into effect). The new signing rules further tighten things. The scouting services rank kids but some have more athletic ceiling, some more technical readiness, some fit one scheme, some fit another scheme, same for culture. Programs that know what they’re looking for and can evaluate well will find kids who help them rise. Programs that think the recruiting lists are a blueprint will face plant like Coker did. What do you want overall. What do you want at a specific spot. How many athletic projects, how many cultural risks. How many middle of the bell curve bucket carriers. What is your roster plan this year and next. We have had nothing but blank stares and reactive panic from our staffs since Coker.

Miami can build a top program gradually because there is enough local talent to compete with anyone. But we must accept that it isn’t just grabbing talent. It has to start with coaching, scheme, culture, self-assessment and evaluations. We have evaluated badly since Coker.
 
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Jeff Thomas, Brevin Jordan, Donaldson.

Players need to be DEVELOPED and the coaches have to have a game plan to actually use the players properly.

The current staff couldn't beat a HS team from Taiwan. And they don't even play football there.

Yes, the states of Alabama and Ohio produce SO many players. Major ******* yawn.

Get it done or get the **** out.

Diaz coached worse than half the posters on this board could coach the team.

He's the portal master - that's about it.

But he won't be the portal master this year because he majorly sucked *** this season.

Time for a well-deserved demotion.

Cane passion said:
Yes I understand our OC/DC could be better with play calling but name me more than two players on our starting offense and defense that could start on bama or Ohio state? Me personally after Greg R their is no one else. These kids gotta make plays.
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Clwtrdan said:
Question? How many deep balls were thrown yesterday to wide open receivers but Williams overthrew them by 7 yards? On one series, we had back to back easy touchdowns overthrown. Williams sucks. Our athletes at WR are frustrated because they put their best moves on and are wide open only to be overthrown or not be thrown at all. Game after game after game. If the QB can not make plays, and scoring chances are wasted because of it, then you get what we got yesterday and FIU and GaTech and Gaytor. And don't give this crap about being young. He can't make accurate throws on deep balls which would win the games for us much, less short balls thrown behind receivers which are either intercepted, or caught on the ground, or in a location where the ball can't be advanced after catch thus utilizing the athleticism of our receivers. Our QB's suck.
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If that be the case why would the QB throw it 50 yds.downfield?
 
jkaz1 said:
Jeff Thomas, Brevin Jordan, Donaldson.

Players need to be DEVELOPED and the coaches have to have a game plan to actually use the players properly.
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The current staff couldn't beat a HS team from Taiwan. And they don't even play football there.

Yes, the states of Alabama and Ohio produce SO many players. Major ******* yawn.

Get it done or get the **** out. Yo

Diaz coached worse than half the posters on this board could coach the team.

He's the portal master - that's about it.

But he won't be the portal master this year because he majorly sucked *** this season.

Time for a well-deserved demotion.
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you said Donaldson and Thomas. Yeah ok
 
bacane said:
Totally agree. Tired of the BS bout Miami talent level. Yeah, coaching is a mess, but last two games against FIU and Duke were telling. Sub-par teams with minimal talent, yet they had superior QB and OL play. Really, FIU & Duke QBs outplayed our jokers. Will continue struggling to beat the Central Michigan's of the world until it gets straightened out.
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exactly my dude
 
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dsddcane said:
**** u and ur logic. I enjoy the dumb **** so I'm gonna say hes absolutely right. Has nothing to do with coaches schemes,lack of development or blatantly **** coaching, development or evaluations. It's all on the recruiting sites lying to our coaches. **** them
[/QUOTES I clearly said THE COACHING CAN BE BETTER (dsddcane) and I clearly said OUR 4/5 ⭐️ don’t play as such! Our skills on offense is over rated! The defense is fine it’s the offense putting the defense in compromising position ie.. short field, turnovers etc.. and that’s why your bum *** 49ers lost yesterday 😆😆
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Poor team speed too. Or is it the coaching that makes us slow...he’ll even JT looks slow this year.
 
Cane passion said:
Yes I understand our OC/DC could be better with play calling but name me more than two players on our starting offense and defense that could start on bama or Ohio state? Me personally after Greg R their is no one else. These kids gotta make plays.
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we have elite athletes that would start at osu and bama on d and offense. the difference is their coaches would of u know developed them and put them in situations where could be successful. knowing u have a young oline did enos spread out teams given oline only 5 or 6 in box to block on run nope he brought wr's tes in tight forced them to block 8 and 9 man boxes, did he use quick wr screens, and other things to get our wrs ball in space? on quick hitters no he ran playaction passes that tooko 4 5 secs to develop behind a young oline had issues blocking 3 secs.
 
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kalinis said:
we have elite athletes that would start at osu and bama on d and offense. the difference is their coaches would of u know developed them and put them in situations where could be successful. knowing u have a young oline did enos spread out teams given oline only 5 or 6 in box to block on run nope he brought wr's tes in tight forced them to block 8 and 9 man boxes, did he use quick wr screens, and other things to get our wrs ball in space? on quick hitters no he ran playaction passes that tooko 4 5 secs to develop behind a young oline had issues blocking 3 secs.
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LIKE I SAID AGAIN AND TO OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE YES! COACHING CAN BE BETTER MORE SO ON OFFENSE BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ELITE ATHLETES. ELITE ATHLETES OVER COME PROGRAMS LIKE FIU GT DUKE WITH POOR COACHING!
 
zanecane said:
We have had over 20 guys over the last 4 classes who were good enough to play in All American Games.

We have good athletes. We have bad coaching.

Figure it the f*ck out.
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Yeah we may have had kids who have made the all American game but now they look like slobs on game day and ****ting the bed. In Highschool they were beating up on and out classing bum as kids in their league who they could easily beef up their stats on. You can shove the all American game up your *** cuz some of those kids are picked on politics.
 
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