Places to knock down for stadium

[Groz73Cane]

Gee must be a slow day for someone. **** telling me to STFU. Did I hit a nerve… I don’t really care what you think as I’m older than dirt and have been to games for over 60 years. Big investor in the days. Family built First National Bank of South Miami and the old Security Federal Savings and Loan. Partner was Gene Chivers who was President of the Original Holsum Barkery. I remember when Sunset Place was the Bakery, and had a great Xmas display out front. So if you know the traffic pattern and the people who run CG and South Miami better go for it as they have no interest in a stadium near there nor do the citizens who live there.

Thank you, Cane alum ‘73’ lived on campus and frequented Sunset, wife was RN at S. Miami Hospital. No one gave a **** about CG, except locals. But US 1 sucked,.. Bc it’s the only major ***ing route to the Keys/Miami. Even back then with less people, and Fla. was seasonal. US 1 sucked it hard. Can’t imagine traffic now. Besides I live in Palm Beach, season tix, life is good at the Rock, just sayin’

 

[JD08]

Want me to explain why not?

$$$

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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Nah. The France family just hates F1. Had problems with F1 back in the day when there was a race at Watkins Glen. People think it's all about money, but they forget about "grudges".

Back when I was working there, that's when we decided to dump all the IRL/CART races too. Don't forget, Homestead was one of the few tracks that hosted both stock car and open wheel racing.

You basically need two race weekends to turn a profit at a NASCAR track, and we only had one NASCAR race date at Homestead, so we lost money. I had to do a tax-planning project so we could pull the Florida Net Operating Losses up to the corporate level (Homestead was originally a partnership owned by multiple people, and when they were bought out, we stupidly kept the partnership structure going, though that was before my time).

Now, Speedway Motorsports (run by Bruton Smith) is more willing to host non-NASCAR events at their tracks (ATL, Bristol, Charlotte, Dover, Vegas, Nashville, New Hampshire, Sonoma, and Texas). But not ISC/NASCAR.

 

[TheEye]

Btw were you ever a Subrageous (RIP) fan? Where Whole Foods is now off red road

For me it was Chicken Kitchen and Miami’s Best Pizza.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

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to the south, so you don't block the neighbor's view...


Leverage 6 stadium lots (3 to the East and West, respectively) to create space for twin sports complex to the south...

You could move ~50 homes and build the New OB next to Marlins Park by incorporating the 6 surrounding lots owned by the stadium, homes for sale and vacant lots in the neighborhood, to relocate 50 residences within 1 mile of where they currently live with some additional financial consideration for their trouble.

1. relocate everyone south of the LDP from NW 2nd to NW 3rd and from 14th to 16th Ave (for ~50-75M; either take a 1M to move or relocate locally with a 500K kicker).

2. Then knock down First Base Garage and Center Field Garage to the south.

3. Rebuild LDP twin football replica to the south where the garages stood with the 2 city blocks that were acquired.

 

[hoops156]

I'm not sure why this nonsense gets repeated over and over again.

"Wants this for the real estate"? How so? The land would be owned by Miami and leased. Yes, the commercial properties would be intended to be profitable.

"He doesn't actually care if anyone sits in the stadium"? What? That's just Billy Corben bullcrap. Well-run soccer teams are profitable. The cost of MLS franchises is increasing. The cities fighting for new MLS franchises are numerous. Where does this myth get invented, that the Mas brothers are buying into a franchise, CHEATING to spend extra money to buy good players, rebuilding a TEMPORARY stadium in Fort Lauderdale...and all just to build a small hotel and a small mall across from MIA. If that was the "evil plan", they certainly executed it horribly, including the purchase of what, a decoy location, in Overtown?

Look, the reality is, building a stadium-ONLY, with acres of parking around it, only to be used a few times a year, IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE. Not the owner, not the team, not the local community, not the city. The SUCCESSFUL newer stadium projects are trying to incorporate YEAR-ROUND economic impact in addition to what a stadium provides.

NFL teams have 8 or 9 regular season home games per year (not counting pre-season). MLS teams play 17 regular season home games. NBA/NHL arenas have 41 regular season home games, and there are currently no arenas in Florida that host both NBA and NHL. MLB stadiums host 81 regular season home games.

Outside of baseball, all other sports venues are part-timers. They need other economic activity in the area to most effectively utilize the parking and infrastructure improvements (roads, mass transit, etc.). When Orlando built the new NBA arena, the Magic were given the chance to develop the land across the street, and after numerous delays, the construction is starting. This is the new reality, this is the new way that things get done. You don't just build a stadium or arena, you build other stuff around it so that the place is not some ghost town on all the days the team is not playing.

Oh, and Hard Rock figured it out after a few decades. That's why it's now a combo football/tennis/auto racing facility. Outside of UM's 6 or 7 home games, those Hard Rock parking lots were just sitting there empty for the other 357 days out of the year (since the Dolphins rarely make the playoffs).

But, yeah, we're just supposed to expect the Mas brothers to build a soccer stadium with no other economic development...why? Because they are rich? Why wouldn't we want team owners to feel vested and invested with the facility they build, by giving them the chance to develop other economic activities in the same location? Why does Billy Corben hate the Mas brothers so much that he is FINE WITH PAVING OVER MELREESE, as long as we just let OTHER Miami developers do it and profit from it? Just, you know, NOT the Mas brothers. THEY cannot profit off of it. But every other corrupt developer who has corrupted Miami politicians for decades, sure, THEY can pave it and profit from it.

It's just ridiculous.

no one is reading your essay bro. learn to be more concise

 

[TheOriginalCane]

no one is reading your essay bro. learn to be more concise

Learn to be more accurate.

Was that better for you?

 

[caneworld]

U should purchase significant ownership in HR stadium and close this subject for another 20 years....

 

[caneworld]

Not sure if you have been in any of the more recent soccer-only stadiums.

I'm posting a picture below of the Orlando City stadium.

Technically, there is no "away" side. Both teams sit on the same side. If you look in the upper left corner and the top middle, you will see that the places where all the players sit are recessed into the normal seating sections. Thus, on both sides of the field, there is actually very little distance between the stands and the lines of the sidelines.

Translated, what that means is this. Even though the soccer FIELD is wider, once you reorient it so that you would have football benches and player/coach areas on BOTH sides, you would essentially have the same orientation. So you'd have the same OVERALL width, but the playing field would be narrower and the sideline areas would be wider. There really wouldn't be much difference, no matter how big Joe Robbie initially made his "multi-use" stadium in the 1980s.

If the Mas brothers build something like this at Freedom Park, with additional seating (you can see that the lower bowl is not very big on the opposite side before you hit the suites), then you wouldn't really have to worry about the size of the field and the closeness of the first row.

The key would be the angle or incline of the overall facility, as to how close ALL of the seats would be. If you go higher/faster, everyone sits closer, but I think there are some height limitations for Freedom Park, being in the MIA flight paths. If you go wider/slower, then everyone sits farther away (on average), but you could put more people in the stadium without having to go as high.




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That is a tincan compared to HRS

 

[TheOriginalCane]

That is a tincan compared to HRS

Oh my god, take Hard Rock's **** out of your mouth.

I was having a discussion with someone else on the width of modern soccer stadiums (built recently) compared to the way that Joe Robbie built Hard Rock IN THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES to try to accomodate soccer.

There is a difference.

 

[Hurracanes]

Oh my god, take Hard Rock's **** out of your mouth.

I was having a discussion with someone else on the width of modern soccer stadiums (built recently) compared to the way that Joe Robbie built Hard Rock IN THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES to try to accomodate soccer.

There is a difference.

This. Big difference.

 

[ssvir]

So do u want me to believe Manny Navarro who’s notorious for misquoting & getting things incorrect, or The University of Miami’s actual audit report; which one?

Secondly, I’m not trying to turn anything. I don’t change narratives or push goal post. I’m not that dude. I CLEARLY SAID some Universities lose money on owning & operating their own stadium, or did u fail to read/comprehend that b/c u love the cushy teal seats & ur commute?

Finally, The University of Miami is no longer ran by people who can’t tell their thumbs from their ********. We have real leadership, & the new leader out of his mouth said this:
“Hard Rock Stadium is just fabulous. I mean, it’s a wonderful place to play, but it’s a little far from campus,” Radakovich said. “You have something that’s close to campus, that benefits the entire campus community, it’s almost immeasurable. So if that’s something that can happen, we’re going to pursue it to its logical conclusion. I know it’s been tried before. But, certainly, there’s things that we can look at to try to create an opportunity if one exists for that to happen.”

So please spare me ur agenda; oh & since u wanna try to check me on Miami’s lease, u can read it for urself. It’s the closing statement found on page 40.

https://controller.miami.edu/_assets/pdf/documents/fy2021_financial_statements.pdf

Apparently you've never heard of a lease where the landlord gets the better of a minimum lease payment ($1M per year according the financial document you linked) OR a share of the revenues ... whichever is higher. Considering UM is only paying $1M a year I would venture to guess that even in the Covid year the revenue share was greater than that $1M minimum.

 

[caneworld]

Oh my god, take Hard Rock's **** out of your mouth.

I was having a discussion with someone else on the width of modern soccer stadiums (built recently) compared to the way that Joe Robbie built Hard Rock IN THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES to try to accomodate soccer.

There is a difference.

HR was renovated few years ago to bring the sideline seats in closer... it is not the same stadium config that Joe Robbie built

 

[rok]

HRS is still a sprawl despite the rebuilt lower bowl. Seats are generally far from the field because of the original design for baseball. Here let me illustrate.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

HR was renovated few years ago to bring the sideline seats in closer... it is not the same stadium config that Joe Robbie built

Jesus fvckin Christ, you clown, I know that. I've had UM season tickets since the 1990s (or 1980s if you include my UM student time). I am fully aware.

Once again, you are jumping into a back-and-forth to provide NOTHING NEW. Some people have longtime impressions of the sideline setups for football and soccer in Joe Robbie/Hard Rock since the 1980s, but they may not yet have seen a soccer game in the renovated Hard Rock OR any kind of purpose-built soccer stadium.

I simply gave some context on how wide the sidelines are for soccer in these new stadiums, as the players sit "in the stands". I didn't compare ANY OTHER aspect of the stadiums. We simply didn't need your non-contributions, but thanks for nothing.

 

[OldhamA]

If Ruiz is trying to buy the Dolphins does that put the new stadium rumours to rest?

 

[Allabouttheu95]

HRS is still a sprawl despite the rebuilt lower bowl. Seats are generally far from the field because of the original design for baseball. Here let me illustrate.

Rok you’re displeasure with hard rock is certainly noted but looking at this illustration you provided HRS is significantly closer in the endzones than Seattle. Seattle is closer, not by by much on sidelines. You’re reaching with this one

 

[JD08]

Rok you’re displeasure with hard rock is certainly noted but looking at this illustration you provided HRS is significantly closer in the endzones than Seattle. Seattle is closer, not by by much on sidelines. You’re reaching with this one

The upper decks are steeper as well.

 

[rok]

Rok you’re displeasure with hard rock is certainly noted but looking at this illustration you provided HRS is significantly closer in the endzones than Seattle. Seattle is closer, not by by much on sidelines. You’re reaching with this one

I don't mind HRS but do not believe CFB should be played there. Pitt and USF play in pro stadiums too and it just doesn't look right.

HRS is as wide as it is long. Seattle looks more compact whereas HRS is shaped like a sprawling Costco or Walmart wharehouse. College stadiums should have fans on top of the action. The slope of the lower bowl at HRS just isn't steep.

The endzone seats at HRS have always been underrated. You have a much better view than you do sitting in the lower bowl on the sideline unless you're between the respective 35 yard lines.

 

[rok]

It also looks as if every seat in Seattle points toward midfield. At HRS if you're seated anywhere near a corner you're better off watching from one of 35,000 televisions.

Everything about HRS is designed to take your attention away from the field. For Christ's sake the recliners behind our bench are usually empty because there's better things to do than watch the game from your seat like a peasant.

There's a million bars and hangouts where you can watch on tv instead of sitting in your seat. Again, it's a great place just not ideal for CFB imo.