Places to knock down for stadium

[hoops156]

Agreed but both have held up pretty well. The Triple A absolutely holds a ton of events but The National Car Rental Center was (at least as of a fee years ago) one of the most profitable arenas in the country just due to the amount of concerts there.

I think all we're really missing in the civilized part of South Florida is an outdoor venue to replace the Coral Sky outdoor dump in Bumblefuk West Palm.

yeah they def both hold a ton of events. you have to do tho if you want an arena to be even remotely profitable.

 

[Tad Footeball]

yeah they def both hold a ton of events. you have to do tho if you want an arena to be even remotely profitable.

Exactly. Will be interesting to see if the Hard Rock is a threat to the profitability of either. Seems like more and more acts are doing smaller venue shows but at exorbitant ticket prices.

 

[hoops156]

So do u want me to believe Manny Navarro who’s notorious for misquoting & getting things incorrect, or The University of Miami’s actual audit report; which one?

Secondly, I’m not trying to turn anything. I don’t change narratives or push goal post. I’m not that dude. I CLEARLY SAID some Universities lose money on owning & operating their own stadium, or did u fail to read/comprehend that b/c u love the cushy teal seats & ur commute?

Finally, The University of Miami is no longer ran by people who can’t tell their thumbs from their ********. We have real leadership, & the new leader out of his mouth said this:
“Hard Rock Stadium is just fabulous. I mean, it’s a wonderful place to play, but it’s a little far from campus,” Radakovich said. “You have something that’s close to campus, that benefits the entire campus community, it’s almost immeasurable. So if that’s something that can happen, we’re going to pursue it to its logical conclusion. I know it’s been tried before. But, certainly, there’s things that we can look at to try to create an opportunity if one exists for that to happen.”

So please spare me ur agenda; oh & since u wanna try to check me on Miami’s lease, u can read it for urself. It’s the closing statement found on page 40.

https://controller.miami.edu/_assets/pdf/documents/fy2021_financial_statements.pdf

he quoted the herald who got that Information from UM so someone is lying or they may just list it as rent that is never collected (the heat tech pay rent to the county, but have never made a single payment in their arena lease - in exchange the heat do the renovations to the arena instead of the county). there's still 12 mill plus owed in that report.

also, you're in LA man. you're not in miami. not sure how often you come down or even live here, but it isn't really viable anywhere near campus for a stadium aside from tropical park which has gotten shut down every time. the melreese site is horrendous for a 55k seat stadium (inter doesn't want anything more than 20-25 anyways and they don't want UM there) due to the traffic volume to get there. it isn't nearly as accessible as Tropical park or HRS. they also still have to get the zoning done bc its next to an airport.

That said, capital expenditures — upgrades in facilities and infrastructure — are where guys like Ruiz and other wealthy Miami boosters will be asked to step up. - this is a big one when you run your own stadium esp considering that UM admitted that season ticket sales aren't going as well as they had hoped and expected - it isn't as far ahead as they anticipated (I believe Rudy told Manny that on his pod ).

 

[hoops156]

Exactly. Will be interesting to see if the Hard Rock is a threat to the profitability of either. Seems like more and more acts are doing smaller venue shows but at exorbitant ticket prices.

yeah depends on the artist tbh. not many can sell out a huge stadium but can sell out a 23k arena (capacity is diff for concerts than basketball or hockey). I think the last. concert I remember was jay z and Beyonce?

 

[Tad Footeball]

yeah depends on the artist tbh. not many can sell out a huge stadium but can sell out a 23k arena (capacity is diff for concerts than basketball or hockey). I think the last. concert I remember was jay z and Beyonce?

My bad. I actually meant the venue at the Hard Rock Casino. Hard Rock Live I think it's called. Capacity is around 6 or 7k but they price tickets at like 3 or 4x or more than what you'd typically pay for the same act at either arena.

 

[hoops156]

Ross is making more money from this F1 event than his anticipated profits from the entire upcoming Dolphins season.

I'm not a Dolphins fan so I don't really care about him as an actual team owner but he's a genius in how he's developed HRS- even if it had me walking 6 miles to the stadium from the Green Lot last season.

the funny part is these fans who never attended the school and live thousands of miles away don't remember that we couldn't host an NIT game at the BUC bc of an awards show using the arena lol.

UM would be doing the same thing ross is doing in the offseason if it had to run its own venue.

also, the closer to campus argument is dumb bc as a fan and alum thats from miami, the fans should be catered to not the students. putting whatever is next built in a location that is accessible to the fans is far more important than catering to 8k or so kids that attend games. we will never be USC (they have way more kids than us) and will never be a big state School in terms of student support. our fans come from the entire state and drive in on weekends. thats who you cater to. marlins lost an entire segment of broward and PB when they moved south banking on miami to show up and guess what, miami didn't.

 

[hoops156]

My bad. I actually meant the venue at the Hard Rock Casino. Hard Rock Live I think it's called. Capacity is around 6 or 7k but they price tickets at like 3 or 4x or more than what you'd typically pay for the same act at either arena.

they've done a great job with that area and that venue.

 

[Atom Atlas]

Exactly. Will be interesting to see if the Hard Rock is a threat to the profitability of either. Seems like more and more acts are doing smaller venue shows but at exorbitant ticket prices.

Correct.... I brought that up earlier in this thread about Hard Rock Live ( Or whatever it's called now)...They are just killing it as far as concerts go.... EVERYONE is playing there..... The Rolling Stones played there recently.... When was the last time you heard of The Stones playing a smaller arena??? They've been playing Stadiums for the better part of 50 yrs straight...
They have the hotel on site which is a major plus in housing acts... Plus other amenities and such.... Really hard to compete with them right now...
Tying this into the Canes , I really want us to have our own place but how do you make it economically viable in a crowded market like this... There's a lot of venues already.
Look at Marlins Stadium.. it's relatively new compared to others and aside from Baseball they really don't do much else... Sure they've had some shows here and there but nothing like other arenas and HRS get....
I don't want people to think this post is against getting something for the Canes, it isn't... I'm just trying to look at it from a business perspective on how it works in not losing money long term.... We're already in a unfavorable deal at HRS to some extent.. I don't wanna just willingly walk into another...

 

[canecrazy23]

Miami Arena!
Carnage down those steps on the way out! + If got there early, you could park on the street in front.
Those Power 96 shows with dj laz in late 80's... Whew!

I worked as a Valet at the door parking all those sick cars. It was quite fun at the time.

 

[canecrazy23]

C’mon my brotha; if u’re going to tell a story, tell the whole story:

Attendance from ‘00 - ‘04:
58,280 avg.

Hahaha Well you should tell THE WHOLE STORY!!

And this is when we were just a very good team but not a NC team
Miami averaged 56,263 fans in 2017. That number was down from 57,396 in 2016. The Hurricanes almost always have better attendance numbers in the even numbered years when they host Florida State. The declining attendance number aligned with college football overall and the ACC more specifically.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Correct.... I brought that up earlier in this thread about Hard Rock Live ( Or whatever it's called now)...They are just killing it as far as concerts go.... EVERYONE is playing there..... The Rolling Stones played there recently.... When was the last time you heard of The Stones playing a smaller arena??? They've been playing Stadiums for the better part of 50 yrs straight...
They have the hotel on site which is a major plus in housing acts... Plus other amenities and such.... Really hard to compete with them right now...
Tying this into the Canes , I really want us to have our own place but how do you make it economically viable in a crowded market like this... There's a lot of venues already.
Look at Marlins Stadium.. it's relatively new compared to others and aside from Baseball they really don't do much else... Sure they've had some shows here and there but nothing like other arenas and HRS get....
I don't want people to think this post is against getting something for the Canes, it isn't... I'm just trying to look at it from a business perspective on how it works in not losing money long term.... We're already in a unfavorable deal at HRS to some extent.. I don't wanna just willingly walk into another...

Exactly. The Who, Elton John, Guns N Roses were all there relatively recently too and those were all at minimum arena shows in the past. Now they're seemingly get more "current" acts too as I see Post Malone is there this week.

As far as a Canes stadium, I'd really like to hear Ruiz's or eventually Rad's hypothetical about non-football use. It'd obviously be an off-campus stadium so it'd be weird and more than likely untenable if it had no real traffic aside from college football (and possibly track). The Marleens are absolutely in this boat but at least they have 81 dates of use set in stone.

 

[hoops156]

Correct.... I brought that up earlier in this thread about Hard Rock Live ( Or whatever it's called now)...They are just killing it as far as concerts go.... EVERYONE is playing there..... The Rolling Stones played there recently.... When was the last time you heard of The Stones playing a smaller arena??? They've been playing Stadiums for the better part of 50 yrs straight...
They have the hotel on site which is a major plus in housing acts... Plus other amenities and such.... Really hard to compete with them right now...
Tying this into the Canes , I really want us to have our own place but how do you make it economically viable in a crowded market like this... There's a lot of venues already.
Look at Marlins Stadium.. it's relatively new compared to others and aside from Baseball they really don't do much else... Sure they've had some shows here and there but nothing like other arenas and HRS get....
I don't want people to think this post is against getting something for the Canes, it isn't... I'm just trying to look at it from a business perspective on how it works in not losing money long term.... We're already in a unfavorable deal at HRS to some extent.. I don't wanna just willingly walk into another...

the marlins couldn't get even development around the area that they had hoped. I think they wanted to create a wrigglyville vibe w bars in the retail spaces and never happened. another stadium doesn't really make sense for a market that isn't sports first (its not a real sports town, its an event town so if the team is good and its a big game, they'll drive anywhere for the event). look at the panthers, the least watched team in the market playing in sunrise has gotten good attendance and great playoff crowd once they started winning games and they're extremely far from the Miami market.

 

[hoops156]

Exactly. The Who, Elton John, Guns N Roses were all there relatively recently too and those were all at minimum arena shows in the past. Now they're seemingly get more "current" acts too as I see Post Malone is there this week.

As far as a Canes stadium, I'd really like to hear Ruiz's or eventually Rad's hypothetical about non-football use. It'd obviously be an off-campus stadium so it'd be weird and more than likely untenable if it had no real traffic aside from college football (and possibly track). The Marleens are absolutely in this boat but at least they have 81 dates of use set in stone.

fans on here may not like it but a canes only stadium can used for TnF events and soccer is my guess esp as they expand the current facilities on campus. id also presume they'll agree to host high school games in a way to get county approval for the land. the closest they can build with highway access is tropical park as its been said. thats pretty much it unless you start venturing north which gets you to...hard rock lol.

 

[Atom Atlas]

the marlins couldn't get even development around the area that they had hoped. I think they wanted to create a wrigglyville vibe w bars in the retail spaces and never happened. another stadium doesn't really make sense for a market that isn't sports first (its not a real sports town, its an event town so if the team is good and its a big game, they'll drive anywhere for the event). look at the panthers, the least watched team in the market playing in sunrise has gotten good attendance and great playoff crowd once they started winning games and they're extremely far from the Miami market.

True about the Panthers but they aren't marketed as a Miami team, more a South Florida team... And yes they're in Sunrise so it's a bit out there from everything else....
Even though the Marlins have 81 dates locked in most are no where near profitable gate wise... Honestly the only thing that keeps the Marlins making money is TV Contracts/Revenue Sharing... Without that they wouldn't exist...

 

[hoops156]

True about the Panthers but they aren't marketed as a Miami team, more a South Florida team... And yes they're in Sunrise so it's a bit out there from everything else....
Even though the Marlins have 81 dates locked in most are no where near profitable gate wise... Honestly the only thing that keeps the Marlins making money is TV Contracts/Revenue Sharing... Without that they wouldn't exist...

yup. Samson says it all the time. he doesn't give a flying **** if you buy a ticket or attend. its about the tv contract in reality. the stadium just made the marlins more valuable in a sale. the NFL learned this and started removing black out restrictions on local tv bc the tv dollars is where its at. CFB is turning that way too with the conference tv deals, though, atmosphere still matters a bit more bc of the tradition but attendance has been down over the years across a lot of teams

yes I know the panthers are essentially an SFL team once they moved from the miami arena. it was smart for them to do so too. there are a lot of people who enjoy going to sporting events that don't live in miami (a lot of those moved north out of miami into burbs). once they move to the coast out of sunrise, it'll be even bigger draw esp if the team remains competitive.

 

[Atom Atlas]

fans on here may not like it but a canes only stadium can used for TnF events and soccer is my guess esp as they expand the current facilities on campus. id also presume they'll agree to host high school games in a way to get county approval for the land. the closest they can build with highway access is tropical park as its been said. thats pretty much it unless you start venturing north which gets you to...hard rock lol.

Does Soccer work down here?? I mean do people go to games?? I myself don't but I always hear about this being an International crowd and Soccer should thrive but it doesn't seem like it... If and when I hear about International Friendly's ( I think that's what they're called) come here they generally do well as one off's but as far as league's here do they work???
As I stated in another post aside from the 2 seasons where we bought a World Series Baseball has consistently done terrible here...
I just don't see how building another venue is gonna change that...

 

[Hold My Beer]

If a football stadium in Miami could make money it would seem like the race track and tennis wouldn't be needed considering the loss to the fan experience at the driving reason for the stadium.

Mo' money but worse fan experience

Less money but better fan experience

Bet y'all Ross and his bean counters didn't have to think on that one very long

 

[Rellyrell]

he quoted the herald who got that Information from UM so someone is lying or they may just list it as rent that is never collected (the heat tech pay rent to the county, but have never made a single payment in their arena lease - in exchange the heat do the renovations to the arena instead of the county). there's still 12 mill plus owed in that report.

also, you're in LA man. you're not in miami. not sure how often you come down or even live here, but it isn't really viable anywhere near campus for a stadium aside from tropical park which has gotten shut down every time. the melreese site is horrendous for a 55k seat stadium (inter doesn't want anything more than 20-25 anyways and they don't want UM there) due to the traffic volume to get there. it isn't nearly as accessible as Tropical park or HRS. they also still have to get the zoning done bc its next to an airport.

That said, capital expenditures — upgrades in facilities and infrastructure — are where guys like Ruiz and other wealthy Miami boosters will be asked to step up. - this is a big one when you run your own stadium esp considering that UM admitted that season ticket sales aren't going as well as they had hoped and expected - it isn't as far ahead as they anticipated (I believe Rudy told Manny that on his pod ).

Yeah; I used to come to Miami a lot, but it’s been since 2010, August 2010 to be exact. I know the laws & bylaws, and greasing of palms is quite different. Lol. The infrastructure of the layout is different.

Let me be clear ladies & gents, all I’m saying “IF” the opportunity arises, it could be in Miami Gardens for all I care, but if an opportunity arises where Miami has its own stadium, it could be on the open waters for all I care (actually I do care, lol), why not? But, I’ve also said, moving to play at field designed for futbol, would make no sense either. It would be best to stay at HRS w/ that being the case.

 

[hoops156]

Does Soccer work down here?? I mean do people go to games?? I myself don't but I always hear about this being an International crowd and Soccer should thrive but it doesn't seem like it... If and when I hear about International Friendly's ( I think that's what they're called) come here they generally do well as one off's but as far as league's here do they work???
As I stated in another post aside from the 2 seasons where we bought a World Series Baseball has consistently done terrible here...
I just don't see how building another venue is gonna change that...

so they blamed the flame out of first iteration of MLS on lack of real national interest, being in FTL, and poor ownership and management.

inter with beck has better PR so it had initial interest. the team sucks and the management is trash. the ownership already got fined for breaking rules which doesn't help. I personally don't think it'll work here bc like I said, we aren't a sports market but an event market. the heat have the most loyal section of fans that was built up bc they won titles when the working fans were kids and built it up then. the fins will always have their support bc of the history and its football lol, but even then, SFL turned apathetic with them. baseball doenst work. here either.

 

[Rellyrell]

That still proves my point though.

Talk to me. I believe our avg. attendance since moving to Sun Life - HRS has been around 47k, although 2016-18 were the best yrs. I also think that’s y some fans have said having a stadium w/ 60k+ would make no sense, vs. a 55k seat stadium. But what was the point, my brotha?