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Places to knock down for stadium

Best idea to turn into stadium

  • Sunset Place

    Votes: 51 11.0%

  • Dadeland Station

    Votes: 11 2.4%

  • Coral Gables Senior High School

    Votes: 32 6.9%

  • Tropical Park

    Votes: 300 64.5%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 71 15.3%
  • Total voters
    465
JD08 said:
Maybe, but history isn't on its side. There used to be an 1/8th mile track around Tamiami, it's closed. There was a short track way back at the South Florida Fairgrounds, it closed in the 70's. Palm Beach International Raceway (Moroso) is slated to become an Amazon distribution center and there's some serious objection not only by the residents that will have to deal with the trucks, but Pitbull is the most vocal advocate for keeping the track.

Other than Nascar moving to Homestead, racing doesn't really appeal down here. Which is actually kind of interesting that Homestead didn't get the Grand Prix race.
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If I'm correct this is only going to be a potential once a year thing for F1's circuit of the America's right?? Only certain venues in the states get the race??? That makes it more of a bigtime event (I mean it is a bigtime event, actually a really freaking huge event) which is really what the South Florida market is anyway , right??
As someone else posted the track will be pulled after the race and then re-used the following year if the race is a success and comes back....
Who knows , some race fans might show up and see some U stuff around the property and become a fan... Stretch the U worldwide.. That's a win right?? LOL!!!
 
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rok said:
Ah good to know
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The track has two construction components to it as I read it. Blacktop driving surface that will be permanent (they have a 10 year race contract ... one per year). Then there are the large concrete barricades with safety fences that were installed and will be taken down after the race.

The race itself is already a massive success and it caters to the uber-wealthy international F1 racing community. Their initial feeler was met with interest by over 300,000 fans in buying tickets and they limited the capacity to 85,000 around the circuit for the race. There were a "few" general admission tickets under $1000 each, but the majority ranged from $1,200 to $5,500 for average seating, up to $15,000 for finish line seats, and a couple of crazy seats with added "features" for as much as $49,999. All of the private jet airports around Miami and Fort Lauderdale are filled with private aircraft from fans attending the race. Ross and his racing program partner will probably earn more from the F1 race than they do from any other facet of Hard Rock Stadium operations. Creative use of that physical asset.
 
Rickd said:
The track has two construction components to it as I read it. Blacktop driving surface that will be permanent (they have a 10 year race contract ... one per year). Then there are the large concrete barricades with safety fences that were installed and will be taken down after the race.

The race itself is already a massive success and it caters to the uber-wealthy international F1 racing community. Their initial feeler was met with interest by over 300,000 fans in buying tickets and they limited the capacity to 85,000 around the circuit for the race. There were a "few" general admission tickets under $1000 each, but the majority ranged from $1,200 to $5,500 for average seating, up to $15,000 for finish line seats, and a couple of crazy seats with added "features" for as much as $49,999. All of the private jet airports around Miami and Fort Lauderdale are filled with private aircraft from fans attending the race. Ross and his racing program partner will probably earn more from the F1 race than they do from any other facet of Hard Rock Stadium operations. Creative use of that physical asset.
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Wow.. That's nuts.... Good for HRS.. Like you said , creative use of the asset....
So if there was a Canes only stadium built would it have multifunction use as well or does that defeat the purpose of having a Canes only stadium?? As far as Football goes we're only talking 6-7 games a year and possibly a bowl or playoff game down the line (possibly).
So are we talking concerts and such to fill the void?? And if so could it compete with HRS or Hard Rock live for attracting acts...Right now Hard Rock Live is killing it with shows, everyone is playing there....
Just thoughts in my head about this stuff and how it could play out...
 
Atom Atlas said:
Wow.. That's nuts.... Good for HRS.. Like you said , creative use of the asset....
So if there was a Canes only stadium built would it have multifunction use as well or does that defeat the purpose of having a Canes only stadium?? As far as Football goes we're only talking 6-7 games a year and possibly a bowl or playoff game down the line (possibly).
So are we talking concerts and such to fill the void?? And if so could it compete with HRS or Hard Rock live for attracting acts...Right now Hard Rock Live is killing it with shows, everyone is playing there....
Just thoughts in my head about this stuff and how it could play out...
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there wouldn't be a playoff game at a canes stadium not named hard rock. it'll never be nicer than HRS just due to the lack of funds (comparatively). Rad said to Manny that **** look into stadium ideas but a big component is the donors that are crying for one better be ready to put up a ton of money for upgrades and maintenance. also, the canes don't pay rent at HRS which is interesting to me and don't pay anything for the upgrades.

beyond that, anything thats built will have to be multi uses. there aren't enough football games to build a stadium for hundreds of millions of dollars plus. the attendance and revenue from football wont make up for it. in reality, its all about tv contracts for sports now. no one really cares how many butts are in the seats anymore bc the real money isn't from stadium revenue but from tv money. for a stadium to even break even, it'll. have to host other events. once the marlins moved, ross saw this and knew he needed more year round stuff at HRS in order to supplement his revenue. its why the AAA hosts concerts, same with FLA Live Arena, etc. even Raymond James has other events there beyond football.

for concerts, a canes stadium may get some shows like Watsco does, but it wont get the acts that sell out HRS (its not a ton of concerts at HRS but the ones that are there are huge shows). like you said, w FTX, FLA Live, and Hard Rock its hard to compete with that. also, hard rock did a good job w their hotel making it a good choice for mid tier acts (the bigger artists still end up at FTX).
 
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Atom Atlas said:
If I'm correct this is only going to be a potential once a year thing for F1's circuit of the America's right?? Only certain venues in the states get the race??? That makes it more of a bigtime event (I mean it is a bigtime event, actually a really freaking huge event) which is really what the South Florida market is anyway , right??
As someone else posted the track will be pulled after the race and then re-used the following year if the race is a success and comes back....
Who knows , some race fans might show up and see some U stuff around the property and become a fan... Stretch the U worldwide.. That's a win right?? LOL!!!
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there are going to be three American F1 races. this isn't like the Grand Prix races that used to be here. its an international event w a huge international fanbase. Americans only started to peak interest with the Netflix show (funny enough PGA is trying to do the same thing now). the worldwide f1 fans are actually mad America got three races bc there are other cool spots worldwide to do street races.

the race is here for 10 years so it'll be kept down but the barricades and extra stuff will be gone returning it back to a parking lot
 
Rickd said:
The track has two construction components to it as I read it. Blacktop driving surface that will be permanent (they have a 10 year race contract ... one per year). Then there are the large concrete barricades with safety fences that were installed and will be taken down after the race.

The race itself is already a massive success and it caters to the uber-wealthy international F1 racing community. Their initial feeler was met with interest by over 300,000 fans in buying tickets and they limited the capacity to 85,000 around the circuit for the race. There were a "few" general admission tickets under $1000 each, but the majority ranged from $1,200 to $5,500 for average seating, up to $15,000 for finish line seats, and a couple of crazy seats with added "features" for as much as $49,999. All of the private jet airports around Miami and Fort Lauderdale are filled with private aircraft from fans attending the race. Ross and his racing program partner will probably earn more from the F1 race than they do from any other facet of Hard Rock Stadium operations. Creative use of that physical asset.
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the entire city is catering to it too. this is more miami than nascar is. just check out race week in Monaco. alll the big miami venues are doing it big for the race. a couple drivers were at the heat game last night
 
So how does a race track benefit the University of Miami? I keep hearing “good for HRS”, but are we benefiting from it? Are we making any $$ from it? Are season ticket holders getting first access to view the events? If not, why is anyone gushing over what someone else is profiting from?
 
Rellyrell said:
So how does a race track benefit the University of Miami? I keep hearing “good for HRS”, but are we benefiting from it? Are we making any $$ from it? Are season ticket holders getting first access to view the events? If not, why is anyone gushing over what someone else is profiting from?
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I don't think anyone associates HRS with UM football, no matter how many events they cram into it. We play at the Dolphins' stadium.
 
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For you South Floridians:

Is the NBA arena in Dade or the NHL arena in Broward a nicer facility/better place to watch a game?

Haven't made it to a game at either yet (but hopefully will in the next year or two).
 
Hold My Beer said:
For you South Floridians:

Is the NBA arena in Dade or the NHL arena in Broward a nicer facility/better place to watch a game?

Haven't made it to a game at either yet (but hopefully will in the next year or two).
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The BB&T center is way out west by the Sawgrass Expressway and has a huge parking lot. It's across the street from Sawgrass Mills, which also has a huge parking lot.

FTX Arena is in downtown Miami on the water and you'll have to park in a garage or take the train and walk a few blocks, which isn't terrible unless it's August.
 
JD08 said:
The BB&T center is way out west by the Sawgrass Expressway and has a huge parking lot. It's across the street from Sawgrass Mills, which also has a huge parking lot.

FTX Arena is in downtown Miami on the water and you'll have to park in a garage or take the train and walk a few blocks, which isn't terrible unless it's August.
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As far as two two arenas themselves, which one is superior?

Didn't they both open around the same time?
 
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Rellyrell said:
So how does a race track benefit the University of Miami? I keep hearing “good for HRS”, but are we benefiting from it? Are we making any $$ from it? Are season ticket holders getting first access to view the events? If not, why is anyone gushing over what someone else is profiting from?
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the county isn't giving money to ross to make stadium upgrades. a stadium isn't useful in revenue if it is closed most of the year. these off season events when the stadium isn't in use provides ross extra revenue streams to put more back into the stadium. he paid half a billion for the last upgrades to HRS. **** need to do more upgrades in a few years. this all helps.

also, miami doesn't pay rent to ross for using the stadium nor do they pay for any upgrades. they do split game revenue but ross doesn't get a dime from the tv profits (where the money really comes from for both college and NFL). on top of that, the canes don't have to contribute to the 500 million he last spent in upgrades
 
Hold My Beer said:
As far as two two arenas themselves, which one is superior?

Didn't they both open around the same time?
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FTX by far. I think FTX opened first (its actually over 20 years old now since it opened in 2000). they just continue making minor upgrades to keep it looking sleek and modern. on top of that, it hosts a ton of events year round
 
JD08 said:
The BB&T center is way out west by the Sawgrass Expressway and has a huge parking lot. It's across the street from Sawgrass Mills, which also has a huge parking lot.

FTX Arena is in downtown Miami on the water and you'll have to park in a garage or take the train and walk a few blocks, which isn't terrible unless it's August.
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FLa Live arena is just boring and a horrible location but the panthers are building in FTL or planning to build a new arena in FTL.
 
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Hold My Beer said:
As far as two two arenas themselves, which one is superior?

Didn't they both open around the same time?
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I think AAA Is a much nicer looking stadium and better location but BB&T customer service (family friendly, professional, etc.) is superior and parking is easier.
 
Hurracanes said:
I think AAA Is a much nicer looking stadium and better location but BB&T customer service (family friendly, professional, etc.) is superior and parking is easier.
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location depends on where you are. if you are anywhere east, it takes the same amount of time to get to both. if you are west, then fla live would be close to the same drive as FTX.

the biggest issue with Fla Live is that they never designed with any sort of unique element. they literally just a built a standard building. HRS was the same way before the upgrades
 
rok said:
I don't think anyone associates HRS with UM football, no matter how many events they cram into it. We play at the Dolphins' stadium.
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and what's your point? no one really cares who's associated with what. if you play at the tiny soccer stadium for inter, you'll be playing at inters stadium. canes will never get their own stadium in the county unless our donors are cool w paying big money every 5-10 years for upgrades and renovations (per rad)
 
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