Patrick Surtain, second of his name.

[Meat]

You’re 100% right.

Yet just a few months ago we’re not even in his top 6.

So, yea, I’m not counting on him coming. I’m taking his word for it. Do I want him and think he should be getting the full court press? Of course. Do I think it will sway him? In a word, no. Hey, I hope he’s all Miami and keeping it a secret. If he is, he’s doing an excellent job of it.

Why would his dad, a millionaire, take a job coaching high school football? Because he wanted to coach his boy. That's a very understandable motivation.

Rumors have also been floating around that Surtain Sr has been looking for a job as a position coach. I believe it, because he's proven to be the kind of guy who wants to be involved with his son's development.

So I say like this - if some school comes around and offers Surtain Sr a position where he can be involved in his boy's growth as a football player, that's where he'll go. If that's LSU, then it'll be LSU.

If that doesn't happen, and Surtain Sr continues to live in Miami, then I believe his son will wind up at Miami as well. He wants to be able to keep an eye on his kid.

How do you even know this?

A lot of kids want away from their parents when they go away to school. Close by maybe, but not helicopter. You’re making assumptions like you have personal knowledge of the father/son and family, which you don’t.

I don't know the Surtain's for ****. Of course I'm making assumptions, like we're all doing here.

My own dad was very successful at what he did, so I'm basing my opinion on personal experience. There are two kinds of rich dads: the ones who are totally hands-off and are just totally focused on their own thing, and the ones who helicopter.

Successful people are almost always "type A," alpha types. They work work work, and never admit defeat, are super competitive, super driven, etc.

As parents, they're either not involved at all in their kids life, or they're micro-managing every detail so they can craft their kids in to some kind of version of themselves. I've never met a highly successful person who is capable of just being an average parent who maintains a normal distance and level of involvement in their kid's lives.

I'm just speaking from experience. But it's an opinion. I have mine, you can believe something different if you like.

Seriously?

There’s only two kinds of rich dads?

Do you ever listen to your assumptions and say to yourself, “man, that’s really stupid”

No. The answer is no.

There’s as many different kinds of rich dads as there are people. You have no experience with people and it shows. You’re just making shlt up as you go. Sorry to be so harsh, but it must be true. It’s the only thing that could explain you having such a narrow view.

Don't apologize to me for being harsh, ask yourself why you're so miserable and work on it. I've been walking around the house singing "jingle bells" all day, so I don't really understand the combative mindset.

I think I explained pretty well that the successful people I've known tend to be driven, and as driven people they tend to project that on to their kids.

It's an opinion, man. You don't agree with that? Great, have yourself a nice day.

 

[407cane]

you can't OV after you sign right?

what are the odds that our staff told Nesta NOT to sign so that he can could take visits with the other AH boys and try to land them

matt doherty seemed pretty positive nesta was working for UM with those dudes, chatfield and campbells are supposed leans. Why not trust a commit like Nesta who loves miami to be able to visit the dudes and see whats up

 

[ddinh1]

Has the makings of what happened with Tracy Howard. Wasn’t he a huge Florida lean and ended up at Miami on signing day.

 

[MotoSniper]

If this were any other guy, and you twits weren’t brainwashed with this LSU lock nonsense you’d think he should be a UM slam dunk. I’ll go down the list:
1. In our back yard.
2. Was coached by our CB coach.
3. Tight knit family who would love for him to stay home.
4. His dad got the Heritage job, at least in part, because of Rumph.
5. Family has money and should be impervious to the bag game.
6. Has no legacy or family connection to any other school.
7. Many of his friends are going to UM.

Now, if we were recruiting a kid from Baton Rouge who had all those factors in LSU’s favor aside from the kid saying UM was his dream school you’d all be laughing at anyone who said he was a UM lock or even considering anyone other than LSU.

I agree with you, and I put it at 50-50...Nesta & Chat coming...Campbell is an enigma, but a UM lean enigma...if we get those 3, Surtain comes as well.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

If by mathematical you mean completely qualitative, then yes, thanks for the analysis. When was the last time we went from completely outside a kid's top 5 to pulling off a NSD (February) surprise? UM kids have balls, they're all in on the U, especially locally.

I just don't see it. We weren't even an afterthought. And now we are supposed to be in it? Look right now Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, and of course LSU, have a better shot than Miami. There is talk that Tyson Campbell's decision will influence Surtain? I'm inclined to belive more that Surtain's decision will affect Campbell. Not saying we can't or won't sign Surtain, but if we lose to Wisconsin there is NO WAY we sign him. That would be three straight losses and basically cement the reason we were never in it with him in the first place. The kid is looking for National Championship program not pretenders. I love CMR, but let's be clear, the average rank for his Georgia teams at the end of the year in 14 seasons is #11 . Again, not saying he can't or won't win a national Championship especially with South Florida talent. Just saying history is a ****** that cannot be discarded. Surtain (Sr. and Jr.) see that. So unless the desire to represent locally at Miami, or play in front of family, or play with with your local peers is way more significant than I believe it is for him, which it hasn't been so far, I do not see it.

LSU isn't winning anything in the foreseeable future and, although I wouldn't put it past him, it'd be a **** of a job for Willie to get FSU there in the next 4 years.

Miami will be there with Alabama and Clemson next season and for years to come.

 

[RyanCane26]

A lot harder to unofficial to LSU when you are playing football games Friday night and sometimes Saturdays

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Hes not coming here yall settin yaselfs up for a letdown

Surprised at you D. You honestly don't think we have a legitimate chance?

 

[canes614]

Hes not coming here yall settin yaselfs up for a letdown

Surprised at you D. You honestly don't think we have a legitimate chance?

I don't see this kid signing with Miami either.....right now it's wishful thinking...

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If this were any other guy, and you twits weren’t brainwashed with this LSU lock nonsense you’d think he should be a UM slam dunk. I’ll go down the list:
1. In our back yard.
2. Was coached by our CB coach.
3. Tight knit family who would love for him to stay home.
4. His dad got the Heritage job, at least in part, because of Rumph.
5. Family has money and should be impervious to the bag game.
6. Has no legacy or family connection to any other school.
7. Many of his friends are going to UM.

Now, if we were recruiting a kid from Baton Rouge who had all those factors in LSU’s favor aside from the kid saying UM was his dream school you’d all be laughing at anyone who said he was a UM lock or even considering anyone other than LSU.

I agree with you, and I put it at 50-50...Nesta & Chat coming...Campbell is an enigma, but a UM lean enigma...if we get those 3, Surtain comes as well.

Why?

 

[Notsince1985]

I have a video of OP moments before he wrote this stupid ****ing post

If there was ever a gif to sum up the north of England

I thought that was Rick Scott

 

[Hurricanemike32]

https://youtu.be/RVFwbPEjDlQ

He mentioned Miami in this Video

Along with 5-6 other schools...and Miami was the last one he mentioned....JS

This video was also from his sophomore season which means Golden was still the coach.

 

[UknowWhat]

The Pat Sustain...Tyson Campbell of the college football recruiting world ... know right now where they are going ... they will relish in the attention.. its their deserved right.. they will make their decisions public ... then it's a done deal ... at this point recruitment is beating a dead horse... you still have to do the due diligence of the recruiting process ... but for the most part its a done ... kids are going where they want

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[Odysseus]

The Pat Sustain...Tyson Campbell of the college football recruiting world ... know right now where they are going ... they will relish in the attention.. its their deserved right.. they will make their decisions public ... then it's a done deal ... at this point recruitment is beating a dead horse... you still have to do the due diligence of the recruiting process ... but for the most part its a done ... kids are going where they want

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Exactly how it is at this point in time with only one month left, and also someone told me the key to recruiting is to follow their visits and who they talk to.

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[MotoSniper]

If this were any other guy, and you twits weren’t brainwashed with this LSU lock nonsense you’d think he should be a UM slam dunk. I’ll go down the list:
1. In our back yard.
2. Was coached by our CB coach.
3. Tight knit family who would love for him to stay home.
4. His dad got the Heritage job, at least in part, because of Rumph.
5. Family has money and should be impervious to the bag game.
6. Has no legacy or family connection to any other school.
7. Many of his friends are going to UM.

Now, if we were recruiting a kid from Baton Rouge who had all those factors in LSU’s favor aside from the kid saying UM was his dream school you’d all be laughing at anyone who said he was a UM lock or even considering anyone other than LSU.

I agree with you, and I put it at 50-50...Nesta & Chat coming...Campbell is an enigma, but a UM lean enigma...if we get those 3, Surtain comes as well.

Why?

Why to which part? I agree with following the visits. If all 4 American Heritage boys come for an official and we get Chatfield to solidify, then I truly believe Campbell is a lock and we have a solid shot at Surtain. Our roster is very favorable to all 3 positions, especially DT & DB. Just my own thoughts, no inside info

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Why if we get the first three, we get the fourth. Personally, I don’t think it necessarily follows.

 

[jkh305]

It's amazing how people living within an hour of Miami aren't aware of how beautiful it is.

The OV experience is something special and doing it with friends could be very moving. Add to that our
recent recruiting haul, player development under Richt's staff, Richt himself, familiarity with Rumph,
trend of our program, a high-quality private-school education, and proximity to moms and pops....

Not to mention the game day experience at the rock and playing on the same field his dad played on..

That's a lot to walk away from.

THE OB at night>LSU at night>The Rock at night.

okay straw man, but what's your point and what does it have to do with my post?

Just saying LSU's home atmosphere is unbelievable, his dad is from Louisiana, and they have a solid track record of putting db's in the NFL. That's a lot to walk away from too.

You’re right. Definitely tough to walk away from an area to which he has zero connection and has never lived.

Yo, this sh*t hurts. Having looked up to you and Dynasty for so long, it's a cold slap in the face. I now see he's a Cane lock.

 

[Gatorhater]

Most importantly, I really want him to come to Miami.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

THE OB at night>LSU at night>The Rock at night.

okay straw man, but what's your point and what does it have to do with my post?

Just saying LSU's home atmosphere is unbelievable, his dad is from Louisiana, and they have a solid track record of putting db's in the NFL. That's a lot to walk away from too.

You’re right. Definitely tough to walk away from an area to which he has zero connection and has never lived.

Yo, this sh*t hurts. Having looked up to you and Dynasty for so long, it's a cold slap in the face. I now see he's a Cane lock.

:q3XKXeX:

WTF

 

[iBlindSide74]

Great way of breaking that down. Plenty of ppl have been saying it but haven't really been able to back it up with a valid argument.

 

[BoxingRobes]

If this were any other guy, and you twits weren’t brainwashed with this LSU lock nonsense you’d think he should be a UM slam dunk. I’ll go down the list:
1. In our back yard.
2. Was coached by our CB coach.
3. Tight knit family who would love for him to stay home.
4. His dad got the Heritage job, at least in part, because of Rumph.
5. Family has money and should be impervious to the bag game.
6. Has no legacy or family connection to any other school.
7. Many of his friends are going to UM.

Now, if we were recruiting a kid from Baton Rouge who had all those factors in LSU’s favor aside from the kid saying UM was his dream school you’d all be laughing at anyone who said he was a UM lock or even considering anyone other than LSU.

This is what leads me to believe its simply a business decision.

What gets Jr. to the NFL in 3 years? If LSU wasn't recruiting him, I think Miami would be a legit option. However, LSU churns out DBs lately and I think this is what ultimately puts him in Baton Rouge.

I do think Miami is more of a contender then many thing (especially nationally)...business decision by the family says he is going to LSU on the Patrick Peterson track.