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Our recruiting class is good enough

Andrew said:
It isn't a theory, we are losing to teams that way are far my talented then. Measure it recruit rank or NFL talent, we are far ahead of the rest of the Coastal. We are losing to teams that may have one or two players that we would have even let on scholarship here. VT is the only team that should be a challenge for us and they might be in a worse situation then us. Pitt, Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech are all awful. The talent difference between us and then is probably equal to the difference between us and Alabama and they would skull **** us.
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So it comes down to coaching. The problem with that is our AD and administration have no desire to make quality coaching hires. Instead we get 8 hour national coaching searches that involve all of one interview. The OC hire will tell a lot. Frankly i think they're going inexperienced and cheap.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Thats exactly whats happening on this website....people r holding onto hope and putting there blinders on when the signs r staring them in the face. We do this with every coach hire. U will see the DiazEra names the in Diaz i trust bs.....i stand behind diaz....then in two years those same people will be trying to kill him lol

I will not allow myself to get sucked into the bs. Show me results or gtfo
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Im wondering what the over/under is on wins for Blake to keep the charade going? Would 6-6 get him gone? Or would people start throwing around Nick Saban's 1st year at Bama, or Pete Carroll's 1st year at USC?
 
If there was a year to have a “transition class” 2019 is the cycle.

In South Florida, there aren’t as many “instant impact freshman” I see (or 5-stars can’t miss) like in 2014, 2015, 2016, or 2018 for comparisons.
 
Andrew said:
You clearly didn’t read my other post. Our class has more talent, there’s just has more recruits.
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Stop it. The class sucks and you know. We should be able to win the Coastal no doubt. We really should be able to compete for titles next season as promised by our head coach and his ex boss. The huge recruiting fails have mostly been on defense the past 2 years. Diaz has complete control of the defense and every recruit knows it.
 
Andrew said:
We had 83 on the roster this year, so we are not as depleted as we use to be. Even if we sign less than VT, this gives us more to sign next year. Fact is they are filling their roster with 3 stars in JF third year and they got blown out by us. VT is on the downward spiral.
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We had 83 because we handed out scholships to former walk-ons. We didn’t have 83 legit guys we recruited as scholarship kids, I don’t believe. From looking through the roster, looks like we had about 77 legit recruited guys. And that includes Milo, Loftis, Jahair Jones, Boulware, McCray, Martin and Irvin. And Thomas and Richards. The list below is actually only 75 kids. I probably missed someone. But plenty on that list aren’t remotely capable of contributing, either. And in terms of what is returning - I cound 57 kids including T. Martin, Milo, Dykstra, Perry etc. So it’s pretty certain we’ll have a light roster again next year, pending transfers.

DBs:Jackson, Bandy, Jaquan, Redwine, A. Carter, G. Hall, Frierson, Blades, Ivey, Bethel, Knowles, Finley, D. Smith
LBs: Shaq, Pinckney, McCloud, Smith, McCray, Jennings, Wilder, Steed, Joyner
DL: Jackson, DJax, Patchan, Garvin, Willis, Odenigbo, Bethel, Ford, Miller, Silvera, Martin, Rousseau
OL: St. Louis, Gauthier, Donaldson, Mahoney, Reed, Scaife, Brown, Herbert, Hillery, Jones, Dykstra, Milo, Gaynor, Campbell
TEs: Jordan, Mallory, Irvin, Polendey
WRs: Richards, Langham, Cager, Thomas, Njoku, Hightower, Wiggins, Pope, Ezzard, Harley
RBs: Homer, Dallas, Lingard, Davis, Gray, Realus, Burns
QBs: Rosier, Perry, Williams, Weldon
P/K: Feagles, Baxa
 
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Truth if we just beat the teams we are supposed to and don’t get blown out in games vs top competition (i.e. Clemson) we will be fine. Gotta stop losing to inferior teams. That should get us 10 wins most years and then more of the top cruits will come. We will still lose some to bags but not all.
 
Ethnicsands said:
We had 83 because we handed out scholships to former walk-ons. We didn’t have 83 legit guys we recruited as scholarship kids, I don’t believe. From looking through the roster, looks like we had about 77 legit recruited guys. And that includes Milo, Loftis, Jahair Jones, Boulware, McCray, Martin and Irvin. And Thomas and Richards. The list below is actually only 75 kids. I probably missed someone. But plenty on that list aren’t remotely capable of contributing, either. And in terms of what is returning - I cound 57 kids including T. Martin, Milo, Dykstra, Perry etc. So it’s pretty certain we’ll have a light roster again next year, pending transfers.

DBs:Jackson, Bandy, Jaquan, Redwine, A. Carter, G. Hall, Frierson, Blades, Ivey, Bethel, Knowles, Finley, D. Smith
LBs: Shaq, Pinckney, McCloud, Smith, McCray, Jennings, Wilder, Steed, Joyner
DL: Jackson, DJax, Patchan, Garvin, Willis, Odenigbo, Bethel, Ford, Miller, Silvera, Martin, Rousseau
OL: St. Louis, Gauthier, Donaldson, Mahoney, Reed, Scaife, Brown, Herbert, Hillery, Jones, Dykstra, Milo, Gaynor, Campbell
TEs: Jordan, Mallory, Irvin, Polendey
WRs: Richards, Langham, Cager, Thomas, Njoku, Hightower, Wiggins, Pope, Ezzard, Harley
RBs: Homer, Dallas, Lingard, Davis, Gray, Realus, Burns
QBs: Rosier, Perry, Williams, Weldon
P/K: Feagles, Baxa
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We are not the only team that does this and while we won't win titles doing this we aren't the only team that has less than desired players on the roster. Fact is we have recruited higher rated guys the last four years compared to everyone in the coastal. We need to win the coastal in a dominant manner, blowing out teams. In this recruiting class, we have more 4-star recruits than UNC, GT, Duke and Virginia COMBINED. We also have 1 more than VT but 23 more over the last 4 years. Point is if Manny gets his **** together we should blow out everyone in the coastal. If we don't do that then these misses don't even matter.
 
Cknucks305 said:
Truth if we just beat the teams we are supposed to and don’t get blown out in games vs top competition (i.e. Clemson) we will be fine. Gotta stop losing to inferior teams. That should get us 10 wins most years and then more of the top cruits will come. We will still lose some to bags but not all.
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The logic around here is awfully reductionist.

If we just win, recruiting will be fine. Sounds so easy. But how will we win? And why will recruiting be so fine?

Our roster is a mess, and we have shown for 15 years the program itself is not seriously managed.
 
Andrew said:
We are not the only team that does this and while we won't win titles doing this we aren't the only team that has less than desired players on the roster. Fact is we have recruited higher rated guys the last four years compared to everyone in the coastal. We need to win the coastal in a dominant manner, blowing out teams. In this recruiting class, we have more 4-star recruits than UNC, GT, Duke and Virginia COMBINED. We also have 1 more than VT but 23 more over the last 4 years. Point is if Manny gets his **** together we should blow out everyone in the coastal. If we don't do that then these misses don't even matter.
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You’re retreating. We have not plyed with a full roster in YEARS. And while other schools may give a spot or two to a walk on, we have been playing with below 80 recruited kids, which is unacceptable. You have also to factor in freshman who aren’t ready, kids who don’t develop, etc.

And we will not be blowing out the Coastal when we barely have 6 returning OL capable of contributing. And 7 DL if we’re fortunate.

You’re not applying real analytics to this situation.
 
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For A DII school.

This class will cause structural problems to Miami's program for 3-4 years.

With that said, doesn't mean these are bad players, but overall quality and quantity are lacking.

Big hole for Manolo to start filling.
 
Ethnicsands said:
The logic around here is awfully reductionist.

If we just win, recruiting will be fine. Sounds so easy. But how will we win? And why will recruiting be so fine?

Our roster is a mess, and we have shown for 15 years the program itself is not seriously managed.
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Does our roster have issues yes, but pretty much any one in the corstal would love to have our roster. We lack depth sure but let’s not act like any one on our schedule has bagas talent and depth or anything close.

How will we win is a question for our coaches not me. But we absolutely have enough talent to beat most teams on our schedule. If Manny does that we will recruit in the top 15 annually. History tells us that even with Coker Shannon and golden we got mostly top 15 classes.

I’m with you on us being mismanaged for the last decade and a half. Our record has been mostly hot garbage and so has coaching. The OC hire will be telling. We get somebody who does a good job it may prove that our leadership has finally made a good decision in hiring Manny, although I still think we need a top notch AD.
 
Cknucks305 said:
Does our roster have issues yes, but pretty much any one in the corstal would love to have our roster. We lack depth sure but let’s not act like any one on our schedule has bagas talent and depth or anything close.

How will we win is a question for our coaches not me. But we absolutely have enough talent to beat most teams on our schedule. If Manny does that we will recruit in the top 15 annually. History tells us that even with Coker Shannon and golden we got mostly top 15 classes.

I’m with you on us being mismanaged for the last decade and a half. Our record has been mostly hot garbage and so has coaching. The OC hire will be telling. We get somebody who does a good job it may prove that our leadership has finally made a good decision in hiring Manny, although I still think we need a top notch AD.
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Here’s the flaw in your logic. The most critical positions are the lines, and QB. Here’s what we have coming back at those spots.

DE: Patchan, Garvin, Rousseau
DT: Bethel, Ford, Silvera, Miller [+ Martin, maybe]
OT: Campbell, Scaife [+ Brown, Hillery, Herbert]
OG/OC: Donaldson, Mahoney, Reed, Gaynor [+ Dykstra, Milo]
QBs: Perry, Williams, Weldon

Translated: 6 DL and 6 OL capable of contributing, and zero QB we can count on.

On top of that, one year out we will lose all 3 starting LBs.

People keep saying the rest of the Coastal would want our roster. Not sure that is true if they can’t pick and choose.
 
Ethnicsands said:
You’re retreating. We have not plyed with a full roster in YEARS. And while other schools may give a spot or two to a walk on, we have been playing with below 80 recruited kids, which is unacceptable. You have also to factor in freshman who aren’t ready, kids who don’t develop, etc.

And we will not be blowing out the Coastal when we barely have 6 returning OL capable of contributing. And 7 DL if we’re fortunate.

You’re not applying real analytics to this situation.
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That’s Manny’s job to fix, if you can see the holes in our roster so can he (at least I hope). We are gonna have to try and find a few grad transfers to fill out our roster. But I believe our starting 22 are better then anyone else’s in the coastal and that should be enough for us to win the coastal IMO.

Richt screwed us over because at this point we should definitely not be playing under the 85, but again it’s Manny’s job to fix it.

I know it feels like we are in this never ending cycle of having coach’s who don’t get it done and hoping that the new coaches can get us on the right track. We will see if Diaz has the ability to correct our issues long term.

So given the dire issues you believe we have what would you consider a successful first season record and recruiting wise for Manny? JW
 
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Our lines scare the heck out of me. We’re one injury on OL or DT away from bolivion. And no QB. Yuck.

I can’t predict record, amd won’t. I think the eye test will matter. Does it look like Manny is doing the right things, do we look disciplined, well coached, etc. Whether we win 7, 8 or 9 games, will depend on health and QB play, largely.

As far as recruiting, this cycle aside, it’s everything I hve been saying. Is it a priority. Is it organized, urgent, energetic. How are we going about it. How are kids responding. Are we proactive or reactive. What are we selling. Is it working. The results will speak for themselves. Manny needs a top 12 class in ‘20 or he’s going to be in for it when the roster thins out. Also, recruiting includes jucos and transfers. It’s overall roster management I’d like to see.

Most importantly, can he prioritize lines and find a qb, and can he figure out what to do to break back into relevant in so fla.
 
This situation is worse than people realize, IMO. Our returning group for ‘19 is painfully thin on the lines, and we know our QB issues. We’re also thin at WR now. And 3 senior LBs.

For ‘20, we may have only Rousseau at DE from the current roster. And essentially nothing at LB. Our QB problems aren’t getting better as we have no QB committed this cycle. So one of our existing guys is the hope for ‘19 and ‘20. And on OL, we are dangerously thin and adding a few plan C projects from this cycle.

I realize we have another recruiting class to get to, but pause on that. Those kids will be true frosh in ‘20. And the ‘19 class isn’t stellar. Smith at DB, Couch, Huff, maybe Brooks and Harvey, they can hopefully contribute. Maybe we get lucky on one lf the reaches at DL. But our OL isn’t going to look good to RB or QB prospects for years.

Against this, people are saying Manny needs to win to recruit. It isn’t going to get easier. He’s already inheriting the most diminished brand we’ve had in generations. If the roster issues lead to game issues, he’ll struggle to tell a good story, and that will lead to more challenges.

Manny needs to pull out all stops to hammer ‘20 recruiting to stabilize the program. Jucos, hoes, transfers, bags, whatever, he needs a couple 5* kids and a heavy set of 4* kids on the lines. He needs major league game ready LBs. And he needs a QB who he can bet his career on, because he will be doing just that.
 
dirtyred786 said:
So it comes down to coaching. The problem with that is our AD and administration have no desire to make quality coaching hires. Instead we get 8 hour national coaching searches that involve all of one interview. The OC hire will tell a lot. Frankly i think they're going inexperienced and cheap.
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inexperienced and cheap is on Manny then, bc the admin is giving Manny the money to make big moves.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
For A DII school.

This class will cause structural problems to Miami's program for 3-4 years.

With that said, doesn't mean these are bad players, but overall quality and quantity are lacking.

Big hole for Manolo to start filling.
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It’s not good, but we are in a far better situation than in 2011. We had a very bad class in 2011, coupled with a 2010 class that saw a third of its complement gone within a year. It left us very top heavy in terms of the best talent being third and fourth year players.

In regards to depth, I believe 2013 and 2009 were the low points. Thanks to a very high amount of transfers from earlier classes we were in the 60s in total scholarship roster strength.
 
It is not good enough.

At current standing, its a class that could set us back two full cycles or more in an effort to recoup the talent loss that this class currently presents. It will need a lot of supplementation throughout upcoming years from traditional transfers, grad transfers, and JUCO recruits. The 2020 class, too, will need to be completely full of traditional freshmen.

OL, DL, LB, and DB are going to be very light positions moving forward. QB, too, will be hurt by the lack of QB this cycle.
 
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