Our recruiting class is good enough

Our class has more talent than VT.

247sports:
Miami: 87.65 - 6 4stars - 8 3stars
VT: 87.06 - 5 4stars - 15 3stars

I don't know if being .59 points better then VT means we should be dominating them. Js.

It actually embarrassing see how close we really are recruiting wise to VT given our location and talent pool within the area.
 
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Nah not the easy...Holes in the roster = not the talent you are making it out to be. Also coaching matters.

Holes are nothing more than perceived talent gap. You right coaching matters, which is why if we can't win the coastal despite our talent advantage then missing out on these guys doesn't matter anyways.
 
Only because of numbers.
We have 15 recruits, they have 20.
A "decent" finish puts us 3-5 spots ahead of them.

Where VT sits on 247 for this year is at #29.
That's exactly what their average is the vast 5 years.
We've averaged #16 over the last 5.

After this year, our 5 year ranking average will probably drop 3 spots (behind Oregon, Michigan, & Ole ****) to #19.
That's still 10 spots ahead of VT.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-college-footballs-rosters-2018

My comment was in response to the attempt to characterize this class as more talented than VT's., which I view as a spin job and fake news. At the moment, our class simply is not better than their's. VT has 5 more recruits than UM, so maybe we will pass them by signing more quality recruits than VT between now and signing day, and maybe we won't.

But depth matters. Filling in your class matters. Playing as close as possible to 85 scholarships matter. People were talking about bringing in 25-27 as recently as a couple of weeks ago. That isn't happening unless we're bring in half a dozen suspect recruits.

And at the moment, we are faced with a situation where the staff will need to grind just to crack the top 25. In the last 20 years, we have only fallen outside the top 25 twice (2011 and 2015). But not only is the ranking bad, but there are major holes. No QB, no OT recruits other than borderline 3* projects, light on WRs, light at DL when we need more because of years of underrecruiting DL, not enough help in the secondary...

That is unacceptable. Regardless of 5 year trends. Regardless of how the rest of the pitiful Coastal recruits. Winning the Coastal is a goal, but it should never be the goal.

Do we need better coaching? Do we need better recruiting? Do we need to do a better job developing our talent? The answer is yes, to all of the above.

So forgive me if I lack patience for this type of thread. These "we have the talent to win the coastal" threads are myopic. I do not want to win the coastal with barely better talent. I prefer we outcoach, outrecruit, outdevelop, and outplay our competition. I want us have as huge a talent gap as possible.
 
Holes are nothing more than perceived talent gap. You right coaching matters, which is why if we can't win the coastal despite our talent advantage then missing out on these guys doesn't matter anyways.

Nothing "perceived" about it.
 
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That is 1 year, we have signed 23 more 4 or 5 star recurits over the last 4 years. We have greater depth.

Quit moving the goal post. You are the one who said we have more talent this class... which, overall, we do not.
 
My comment was in response to the attempt to characterize this class as more talented than VT's., which I view as a spin job and fake news. At the moment, our class simply is not better than their's. VT has 5 more recruits than UM, so maybe we will pass them by signing more quality recruits than VT between now and signing day, and maybe we won't.

But depth matters. Filling in your class matters. Playing as close as possible to 85 scholarships matter. People were talking about bringing in 25-27 as recently as a couple of weeks ago. That isn't happening unless we're bring in half a dozen suspect recruits.

And at the moment, we are faced with a situation where the staff will need to grind just to crack the top 25. In the last 20 years, we have only fallen outside the top 25 twice (2011 and 2015). But not only is the ranking bad, but there are major holes. No QB, no OT recruits other than borderline 3* projects, light on WRs, light at DL when we need more because of years of underrecruiting DL, not enough help in the secondary...

That is unacceptable. Regardless of 5 year trends. Regardless of how the rest of the pitiful Coastal recruits. Winning the Coastal is a goal, but it should never be the goal.

Do we need better coaching? Do we need better recruiting? Do we need to do a better job developing our talent? The answer is yes, to all of the above.

So forgive me if I lack patience for this type of thread. These "we have the talent to win the coastal" threads are myopic. I do not want to win the coastal with barely better talent. I prefer we outcoach, outrecruit, outdevelop, and outplay our competition. I want us have as huge a talent gap as possible.

You are missing the point, no one is saying that winning the coastal is the "goal" but it is a requirement for us to land top-level talent.

My quote was this

"Looking back at the last four recruiting cycles (including this one) we have had far superior recruiting class compared to every other team in the coastal. Simply put, we just have not performed to the level we have recruited."

23 more 4 and 5-star recruits compared to VT is what I would call superior talent.
 
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You are missing the point, no one is saying that winning the coastal is the "goal" but it is a requirement for us to land top-level talent.

My quote was this

"Looking back at the last four recruiting cycles (including this one) we have had far superior recruiting class compared to every other team in the coastal. Simply put, we just have not performed to the level we have recruited."

23 more 4 and 5-star recruits compared to VT is what I would call superior talent.

Which you followed up with, "it is still the most talented class in the coastal." It is not. It's ranked 4 spots worse than VT's class. That is a fact, brother.

A UM class should never be ranked outside the top 25 in January.

Edit: I don't think anyone here is arguing there is a more talented team, overall, in the Coastal.
 
We have two four-star QB's, we just need a good OC.

Lol, 4* means nothing, especially at that position...N'Kosi's play (and obviously there's some talent there, I personally doubt he ever gets anywhere near fufilling it, but my opinion is not what matters) could have sunk Oklahoma's offense this season.
 
Which you followed up with, "it is still the most talented class in the coastal." It is not. It's ranked 4 spots worse than VT's class. That is a fact, brother.

A UM class should never be ranked outside the top 25 in January.

You can argue all you want but our average rating is better than theirs and we have more 4 star recruits. Three of their 4-star recruits don't even have a position. They filled their class with scrubs, which is why we have 23 more 4 or 5-star players.

You are trying to make this about one class but it really is about the talent on the roster. These are facts and not opinions.
 
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We have two four-star QB's, we just need a good OC.

And a QB this class because neither of our QBs is proven, either could transfer away, and sometimes highly rated players do not pan out.

We need it all. Recruiting, player development, and coaching.That's my point.
 
And a QB this class because neither of our QBs is proven, either could transfer away, and sometimes highly rated players do not pan out.

We need it all. Recruiting, player development, and coaching.That's my point.

No doubt, and all those things will have happened if we dominate the coastal. Mark Richt beat VT 38 - 14, we lost to a bunch of academic scrubs.
 
Since 2015 we have signed 23 more 4 or 5-star recruits compared to VT. Fact is our roster is much more talented than theirs and we should skull **** the coastal. If we can't dominate the coastal then there is no point in signing guys like Rique. If we do dominate the coastal then we should have no problem signing those guys.
Exactly build step by step there's levels to this ****
 
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You can argue all you want but our average rating is better than theirs and we have more 4 star recruits. Three of their 4-star recruits don't even have a position. They filled their class with scrubs, which is why we have 23 more 4 or 5-star players.

You are trying to make this about one class but it really is about the talent on the roster. These are facts and not opinions.

In recruiting, 29 > 33. The fact that we have 1 more 4* recruit does not change that. In fact, the 247 rankings take that into consideration.
 
We do need to finish out with a few decent pickups. MAR for sure needs to be a cane. This class isnt that bad though considering the big 2018 class and a chance at a big 2020 class to make up for it.
 
No doubt, and all those things will have happened if we dominate the coastal. Mark Richt beat VT 38 - 14, we lost to a bunch of academic scrubs.

I hope you are right. My concern is, if we keep having recruiting years like this one, dominating the coastal will only be harder.
 
Smith, huff, harvey, couch, and payton are definitely playmakers. We just happen to need a whole lot more of them.
To compete with the likes of Bama and Clemson you are 100% correct - think Miami missed the chance to make MAJOR changes by hiring Diaz
think Leach, Barbers, or Campbell would have been a bigger splash and land you more recruits and faster, because no one is patient in today's
world
 
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