Our recruiting class is good enough

In recruiting, 29 > 33. The fact that we have 1 more 4* recruit does not change that. In fact, the 247 rankings take that into consideration.

We had 83 on the roster this year, so we are not as depleted as we use to be. Even if we sign less than VT, this gives us more to sign next year. Fact is they are filling their roster with 3 stars in JF third year and they got blown out by us. VT is on the downward spiral.
 
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Since 2015 we have signed 23 more 4 or 5-star recruits compared to VT. Fact is our roster is much more talented than theirs and we should skull **** the coastal. If we can't dominate the coastal then there is no point in signing guys like Rique. If we do dominate the coastal then we should have no problem signing those guys.

You make a great point. Elite talent want to chance to win big. Not winning the coastal on a consistent basis, not getting to a new year 6, not dominating lesser teams but crying when elite homegrown talent leaves to elite teams doesn't make sense. Miami has win on the field year in and year out to get the elite talent.
 
My comment was in response to the attempt to characterize this class as more talented than VT's., which I view as a spin job and fake news. At the moment, our class simply is not better than their's. VT has 5 more recruits than UM, so maybe we will pass them by signing more quality recruits than VT between now and signing day, and maybe we won't.

But depth matters. Filling in your class matters. Playing as close as possible to 85 scholarships matter. People were talking about bringing in 25-27 as recently as a couple of weeks ago. That isn't happening unless we're bring in half a dozen suspect recruits.

And at the moment, we are faced with a situation where the staff will need to grind just to crack the top 25. In the last 20 years, we have only fallen outside the top 25 twice (2011 and 2015). But not only is the ranking bad, but there are major holes. No QB, no OT recruits other than borderline 3* projects, light on WRs, light at DL when we need more because of years of underrecruiting DL, not enough help in the secondary...

That is unacceptable. Regardless of 5 year trends. Regardless of how the rest of the pitiful Coastal recruits. Winning the Coastal is a goal, but it should never be the goal.

Do we need better coaching? Do we need better recruiting? Do we need to do a better job developing our talent? The answer is yes, to all of the above.

So forgive me if I lack patience for this type of thread. These "we have the talent to win the coastal" threads are myopic. I do not want to win the coastal with barely better talent. I prefer we outcoach, outrecruit, outdevelop, and outplay our competition. I want us have as huge a talent gap as possible.

I agree with all of this.
 
Since 2015 we have signed 23 more 4 or 5-star recruits compared to VT. Fact is our roster is much more talented than theirs and we should skull **** the coastal. If we can't dominate the coastal then there is no point in signing guys like Rique. If we do dominate the coastal then we should have no problem signing those guys.

Problem with this theory is that we're not losing to the same teams every year.

We're losing to teams in the coastal in a random pattern.

The team with more talent doesn't win 100% of the time. Depending on the talent disparity, the win rate might be 90%, or 80%, or less.

String 10 games together, and you can see that it's not strange that we're dropping a couple games per year.

It's very hard to run the table, or to "skull ****" the coastal, or however you want to put it. It could happen in a random year, but to expect to run the table every single year in the coastal with the talent we have on the current roster is probably unrealistic.

Alabama has a wider talent gap over the rest of the SEC than we do over the Coastal. They also have better coaching, a better support staff, and infrastructure.
 
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I don't know if being .59 points better then VT means we should be dominating them. Js.

It actually embarrassing see how close we really are recruiting wise to VT given our location and talent pool within the area.

This. It comes down to probabilities. If our talent gap says we're expected to win 75% of the time, then you would expect us to lose a couple games over the course of a season.

We're not so much more talented than the rest of the coastal that we should expect to run the table. Would be nice, but we would need some favorable chance in order for that to happen.
 
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Problem with this theory is that we're not losing to the same teams every year.

We're losing to teams in the coastal in a random pattern.

The team with more talent doesn't win 100% of the time. Depending on the talent disparity, the win rate might be 90%, or 80%, or less.

String 10 games together, and you can see that it's not strange that we're dropping a couple games per year.

It's very hard to run the table, or to "skull ****" the coastal, or however you want to put it. It could happen in a random year, but to expect to run the table every single year in the coastal with the talent we have on the current roster is probably unrealistic.

Alabama has a wider talent gap over the rest of the SEC than we do over the Coastal. They also have better coaching, a better support staff, and infrastructure.

It isn't a theory, we are losing to teams that way are far my talented then. Measure it recruit rank or NFL talent, we are far ahead of the rest of the Coastal. We are losing to teams that may have one or two players that we would have even let on scholarship here. VT is the only team that should be a challenge for us and they might be in a worse situation then us. Pitt, Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech are all awful. The talent difference between us and then is probably equal to the difference between us and Alabama and they would skull **** us.
 
Our toss up games where we will have a dog fight is only UF and FSU this year i think we split those two games and lose to Clemson in conference title, that would be 11-2 going into bowl season probably ranked in top 15. With season like that we will have top 5 recruiting class is 2020 then we just build from there and we rolling.

This is complete and utter lunacy. 11-2 with no QB or OL and a vastly substandard class coming in. I think we better shoot for bowl eligibility and, hopefully, a really ****** one that we can win and don't have to play "Da U" v.s. Wisconsin III.
 
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Miami's first step to returning to prominence is dominating the ACC Coastal, and while this shouldn't be our main goal it should be an expectation every year.

Looking back at the last four recruiting cycles (including this one) we have had far superior recruiting class compared to every other team in the coastal. Simply put, we just have not performed to the level we have recruited.

Expecting guys like Rique to come to Miami when their only memories are of Coker getting fired, Shannon getting fired, Golden getting fired, No D as a coordinator lol, and Richt blowing **** is just not rational. Furthermore, we don't need Rique or five-star talent to dominate the coastal.

If Diaz skull ***** everyone in the coastal next year and we are competitive with Clemson in the ACC Championship game then we are going to start landing these guys and once that happens it is only a matter of time before we are back.

Go Canes!
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This class is butt juice no matter how it’s spun, and we’ve proven we can’t win the Coastal with classes far superior to this one.

Bottom line: it’s all on Diaz and his OC hire. We are a high-octane offense away from having some breathing room in games against **** teams.

The way we’ve slogged through games the last 20 years with our archaic offenses trying to win 17-14 every week we have no margin for error in any game even against teams we out talent by a lot. We insist on playing slow plodding boring football and not taking advantage of the one thing where we should have a huge advantage over the Coastal sludge—skill talent and speed. Instead we get in these power battles with big slow teams like BC. So fcking stupid.

If Diaz is smart he’ll hire a wide open OC who spreads the field from sideline to sideline and opens up space to operate in the run and pass game. If we make another bad hire we’ll continue to suck no matter if we have better talent or not.
 
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Miami's first step to returning to prominence is dominating the ACC Coastal, and while this shouldn't be our main goal it should be an expectation every year.

Looking back at the last four recruiting cycles (including this one) we have had far superior recruiting class compared to every other team in the coastal. Simply put, we just have not performed to the level we have recruited.

Expecting guys like Rique to come to Miami when their only memories are of Coker getting fired, Shannon getting fired, Golden getting fired, No D as a coordinator lol, and Richt blowing **** is just not rational. Furthermore, we don't need Rique or five-star talent to dominate the coastal.

If Diaz skull ***** everyone in the coastal next year and we are competitive with Clemson in the ACC Championship game then we are going to start landing these guys and once that happens it is only a matter of time before we are back.

Go Canes!
You mean this class looks good now since it’s a transition class. Other than that it is very poor.
 
You clearly didn’t read my other post. Our class has more talent, there’s just has more recruits.
Being the "Top Dog" in the Coastal Division is like being the Salutatorian of Summer School.
 
We can get some grad transfers and some underclass transfers and we should be good.
Just need to get the word out that we’re looking for transfers. We should be able to find several kids at key positions that might want to come here and sit a year and develop.
 
and if I can pick some numbers and the power ball - I'd be a wealthy man. What has happened to date to lead you to believe Diaz and
his current staff and roster are in a position to do so? Offense was terrible with no apparent Qb in sight, and defense loses 4 of its most
productive players, and current recruiting class is at best lacking playmakers on either side of the ball
Exactly, so why don't you let something happen b4 downplaying what da next man has hope for. A few things happened that offense you talk about that staff is gone. How do you know this class lacks 1playmaker? Primetime said our CB coming is da truth sounds like 1 to me. I say we have at least 4 in this class. Nothing is finalized yet just let some stuff play out b4 being so eager to put that negative energy on the program that's all. Ain't nothing wrong with having positive vibes around the program until there something legit to fuss about.
 
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