Our defense is bizarre

[TouchMoney26]

if kiko and wes cant realize that somebody is not matched up something has to be done to hold them accountable....-----also need safeties since they are behind them to notice that too....dont understand how this **** goes unfixed in the film room... we have guys on twitter coaching better ...

a lot of yall think just because they are older and more experienced that this is easy. I bet zaqaun would notice and have the guys matched up.. just my opinion -- play the ballers!

 

[hoops156]

I think you are right. Honestly. He is part of problem even if its a talent issue because he continues to play kids that don’t belong on field. Also I’m tired of his defense sucking every week yet he comes into press conference smiling and attacking like a know it all. Dawson will criticize kids or admit things didn’t work. Guidry smiled and acts like he shut people out.

we looked completely out coached on D until half time. its every single game against a p4 opponent at this point.

 

[Canesince02]

Duke gained 46 yards on its last 5 possessions. What did we or they do differently? Baffling!

After Richard got hurt Zaquan started to get more snaps at safety. Meesh was moved to slot. And I believe Harris was the other safety.

 

[Cane30]

We don't have the horses to play man against anyone. I figured that out 4 games ago. It doesn't take 6 games to realize you have to start playing mostly zone with some man mixed in the whole game. Not just the 2nd half when God awful offenses have put up 30+ points on us. This defense will be the complete opposite next season and the talent will fit Guidry's scheme so much better. A young defense. The problem I have is his complete stubbornness to adapt to what he has. That 100% doesn't work for me. 2 players on the whole D have been playing well the past few games. Barrow and OJ, that's it. Every other player on D has regressed this season.

 

[mr.h]

During Restrepo’s record breaking TD reception, #3 Jacoby George had the speed to block for the TD. If he wasn’t so needed at receiver, I would put him in the Defensive Backfield. He’s fast and has a nose for the ball. Unfortunately we will remain even lighter in that position. Manny Diaz took advantage of our man on man coverage in the first half, like every other team we played.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

We don't have the horses to play man against anyone. I figured that out 4 games ago. It doesn't take 6 games to realize you have to start playing mostly zone with some man mixed in the whole game. Not just the 2nd half when God awful offenses have put up 30+ points on us. This defense will be the complete opposite next season and the talent will fit Guidry's scheme so much better. A young defense. The problem I have is his complete stubbornness to adapt to what he has. That 100% doesn't work for me. 2 players on the whole D have been playing well the past few games. Barrow and OJ, that's it. Every other player on D has regressed this season.

Guidry runs a "bend don't break" defense. The problem is it both bends and breaks against virtually any offense. He tries to play it safe, then a busted coverage leads to a TD. I have to be honest- with our personnel (especially at DE) a Manny Diaz defense would be much better. I know there is no gap integrity, and it gives up big plays. But the advantage is his defenses are much more prone to forcing turnovers. It has proven to be an effective defense against bad offenses (as opposed to Guidry's). If Guidry's scheme leads to explosive plays, and Diaz scheme leads to explosive plays, I think you should pick the one that forces more turnovers. It is complimentary football with our offense. With Ward at QB, stealing 2-3 possessions means we win by 28+ instead of by 14 or less.

 

[AlexCane]

During Restrepo’s record breaking TD reception, #3 Jacoby George had the speed to block for the TD. If he wasn’t so needed at receiver, I would put him in the Defensive Backfield. He’s fast and has a nose for the ball. Unfortunately we will remain even lighter in that position. Manny Diaz took advantage of our man on man coverage in the first half, like every other team we played.

You're smoking whatever that thing in your avatar is eating.

 

[dirtyred786]

Yes, but this defense is not what the stat sheet shows.

It’s a stats vs statistics thing that I’m getting at. Looking at it from a statistics standpoint the 3 games I pointed out (UF too but they’re P4 so can be included) look like they may be statistical anomalies and discarded. Then you get a better picture of our defense statistically.

Does that make sense?

I mean when most ACC teams that we face put up season high point totals and close to season high passing totals, it leads to what we see in this thread.

People argue that our defense is “not that bad, look at the stats!” But if you watch the games you realize our defense is terrible. The worst we’ve had in a decade.

The one bright spot is the run defense but I think teams are gashing us through the air so there is no need to really test us in the run game.

Being able to stop the run has been big for us this season. We would have lost to Cal and VaTech if they would have been able to effectively run the ball late in those games.

 

[miamicanephins]

Guidry runs a "bend don't break" defense. The problem is it both bends and breaks against virtually any offense. He tries to play it safe, then a busted coverage leads to a TD. I have to be honest- with our personnel (especially at DE) a Manny Diaz defense would be much better. I know there is no gap integrity, and it gives up big plays. But the advantage is his defenses are much more prone to forcing turnovers. It has proven to be an effective defense against bad offenses (as opposed to Guidry's). If Guidry's scheme leads to explosive plays, and Diaz scheme leads to explosive plays, I think you should pick the one that forces more turnovers. It is complimentary football with our offense. With Ward at QB, stealing 2-3 possessions means we win by 28+ instead of by 14 or less.

Guidry does not run a bend dont break defense.

Usually those are zone defenses, tampa 2, that keep everything in front of you. It requires a strong pass rush from the front 4 and a secondary that is disciplined and doesn;t try and gamble to make plays. Your goal is to have the offense make mistakes and kill the drive

 

[flips]

Being able to stop the run has been big for us this season. We would have lost to Cal and VaTech if they would have been able to effectively run the ball late in those games.

Our run defense has been a lot like our pass defense though: successful most of the time but when unsuccessful we're in a class by ourseleves.

Y-AXIS: Run Play Explosives defense X-AXIS: Run Play Success rate Defense (bottom left corner where you want to be)

Y-AXIS: Pass Play Explosives Defense X-AXIS: Pass play success rate Defense

I still have no idea why VTech threw the ball (incomplete) on first down on their second to last drive of the game. They had run on us the whole game, and on their prior drive (TD) they were killing us in the run game too. Had the long TD called back for holding, and Drones misread an RPO later on in that drive - had he handed it off the RB was gone up the middle for a long TD.

You're right about late in the Cal game, but we were selling out against the run in the 4th quarter with 3 linebackers on the field plus a safety in the box.

We've been so bad defending the pass in ACC play that teams haven't tried to run the ball down our throats like VT had success doing. Our interior run defense has been a big concern of mine since that game, especially with Mesidor at DT.

 

[theuksu]

Get away from this Cover-4 obsession.
Utilize more symmetrical coverages (i.e. Cover-3).
Symmetrical coverages leave you with a flat defender on both sides of the formation, so shifts and motions don't effect your alignment. You won't look like a Chinese fire drill. You also won't have LB's chasing/covering RB's to the outside. (it would be a DB instead)

Cover-3 Match gives you all the benefits of Cover-1 except 3-match isn't susceptible to motions, rub routes and man beaters like Cover-1 is.

Cover-4 is a situational coverage IMO, it's not something you want to live in. It's too easy to manipulate. And coverage percentages in the NFL and NCAA display this as well, as Cover-4 is the 3rd most used coverage behind Cover-3 and Cover-1. Nobody is living in it.

Even if Guidry didn't recognize which coverages to use, I hope he would be smart enough to utilize Jason Taylor's experience to help make adjustments

 

[drewm3i]

The 27 sacks for 11th rank is the one that pops out to me, because I feel like our DL, and pass rush in general, is really lacking through the last 4 or 5 games.

This. I think Bain has gained too much weight. He's really looking more like Mesidor out there than himself from last year. He's powerful and fast, but has lost some side-to-side agility. Watching the film, he keeps whiffing on finishing sacks with little lateral moves by the opposing QBs.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

This. I think Bain has gained too much weight. He's really looking more like Mesidor out there than himself from last year. He's powerful and fast, but has lost some side-to-side agility. Watching the film, he keeps whiffing on finishing sacks with little lateral moves by the opposing QBs.

Possibly
Bur this dude gets held constantly

 

[CANESCANES]

I don’t know what the standard is, but allowing 10 points in the second half against one of the worst offenses in college football is nothing to feel good about. It’s better than 21 points in the first half, but it is not the standard of excellence that the Canes should strive for.

When Mish Powell plays slot, teams target him as a pass defender and tackler in space just as they targeted DP2 yesterday. I think the coaches are committed to playing DP2 in the slot, and hope that he improves. I think Richard played well recently, and the Canes will miss him. If Damari can come back, that will help a lot but if Damari doesn’t come back against GT or (at the latest) Wake Forest, then I think that they will try to redshirt Damari.

It seems that Guidry has an issue with playing Patterson, but the way Patterson plays when he is in the game, Guidry has no choice but to increase his snaps. I think Stafford and Washington will also see some snaps at corner, and maybe Dylan Day at safety or nickel.

At LB, everyone knows that Kiko is being targeted in the pass game and plays that require him to move down the line of scrimmage laterally. I don’t think this is a result of Kiko declining from last season, I think it is just that opponents are targeting his weaknesses and avoiding his strengths. It is up to Guidry to game plan for that.

Also,the Canes have been victimized by poor defensive communication. That often falls on the MLB and safeties, but I saw at couple of instances at the game were the other defenders just seem to ignore the call or their assignment. That is on the players, but hopefully, can be corrected.

Guidry has 3 more games and a bye week before the ACC-CG, so he has some time to get some of these things straight.

The good news is ACC championship and playoff games don’t count toward a 4 game redshirt season

So Brown could come back and still get that redshirt no matter what now since he only played in 1 game in regular season

 

[Coach Macho]

if kiko and wes cant realize that somebody is not matched up something has to be done to hold them accountable....-----also need safeties since they are behind them to notice that too....dont understand how this **** goes unfixed in the film room... we have guys on twitter coaching better ...

a lot of yall think just because they are older and more experienced that this is easy. I bet zaqaun would notice and have the guys matched up.. just my opinion -- play the ballers!

Not sure I understand.
The play call determines the match-ups. There's nothing the Safeties can do.

Coordinator needs to keep the Linebackers out of these predicaments as much as possible.

 

[Coach Macho]

Guidry runs a "bend don't break" defense. The problem is it both bends and breaks against virtually any offense. He tries to play it safe, then a busted coverage leads to a TD. I have to be honest- with our personnel (especially at DE) a Manny Diaz defense would be much better. I know there is no gap integrity, and it gives up big plays. But the advantage is his defenses are much more prone to forcing turnovers. It has proven to be an effective defense against bad offenses (as opposed to Guidry's). If Guidry's scheme leads to explosive plays, and Diaz scheme leads to explosive plays, I think you should pick the one that forces more turnovers. It is complimentary football with our offense. With Ward at QB, stealing 2-3 possessions means we win by 28+ instead of by 14 or less.

What is a "bend but don't break defense"?
What does that even mean?

He runs a 4-2-5 Cover-4 defense with some Cover-1 Man mixed in.
It's standard defense. There's nothing "bend but don't break" about it.

It bends and it breaks.

 

[Coach Macho]

We don't have the horses to play man against anyone. I figured that out 4 games ago. It doesn't take 6 games to realize you have to start playing mostly zone with some man mixed in the whole game. Not just the 2nd half when God awful offenses have put up 30+ points on us. This defense will be the complete opposite next season and the talent will fit Guidry's scheme so much better. A young defense. The problem I have is his complete stubbornness to adapt to what he has. That 100% doesn't work for me. 2 players on the whole D have been playing well the past few games. Barrow and OJ, that's it. Every other player on D has regressed this season.

We do play zone with man mixed in.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

What is a "bend but don't break defense"?
What does that even mean?

He runs a 4-2-5 Cover-4 defense with some Cover-1 Man mixed in.
It's standard defense. There's nothing "bend but don't break" about it.

It bends and it breaks.

Yes a better description. Bend and Break.

Alternative options
a. CFD Defense (Chinese Fire Drill)
b. the Tampax 2 defense

 

[BigWindyCane1]

The good news is ACC championship and playoff games don’t count toward a 4 game redshirt season

So Brown could come back and still get that redshirt no matter what now since he only played in 1 game in regular season

That’s great news. So, they can play him after the bye, and Brown still keeps his red shirt. I can definitely see that happening

 

[TouchMoney26]

Not sure I understand.
The play call determines the match-ups. There's nothing the Safeties can do.

Coordinator needs to keep the Linebackers out of these predicaments as much as possible.

well if we are in man and we have a slot wr with nobody covering him, f guidry and go cover him or change the play