OT: Corruption in NCAA BBAll

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Miami coach wasn't caught on the wire tap. Those implicated were talking about a Miami coach. Also, NCAA didn't know about this investigation until today. Doesn't seem that the FBI is interested at all in working with the NCAA.

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

You're jumping to conclusions without the benefit of facts.

lol That Petino is gone and coach L could be safe? I don't think either are big "jumps". Have you not seen what has been going on at UL the last year and half? He's done

Miami will fire a coach, or indefinitely suspend a coach by Monday. These schools are scrambling to find out what happened and to get in-front of it. Look for more UL announcements tonight.

Or they won't. It's possible. But you have no idea. It's also possible that x coach did nothing to be fired for. Anything is possible at this point, yet you know exactly what's going to happen. Interesting.

 

[atlCanesFan]

THis just came from article on ESPN. This just doesn't sound good at all

The FBI alleged Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Augustine attempted to broker a deal to send another high school player to Miami, an Adidas-sponsored school, for $150,000. According to the complaint, "the payments from [Adidas] to Player-12 were allegedly requested specifically by a coach at [Miami] (Coach-3), who allegedly called Gatto directly and who, according to Dawkins, Code, and Augustine, 'knows everything' and, in particular, 'knows something's gotta happen for' Player-12 to commit to attending University-7."

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Discretionary expenses ALL have to be categorized and accounted for by any employee of a publicly traded company.

Technically, every penny spent is accounted for.

That doesn't mean employees don't lie and fudge expense reports, but the procedure is there for every single publicly traded company.

Right. But if you don't describe an expense as what it actually is, then you can scrape by. That's why I put "discretionary" in quotes. Gatto was a high-ranking exec at adidas. If he "carefully" mislabels an expense, it often goes without being questioned, partly due to his high officer level.

Accounting departments do more to question the $20 meals of rank-and-file employees than they do for $100K expenses of a VP.

Again, if he DESCRIBES the expense in a creative way, he'll get by the first level of scrutiny. Then he only needs to survive the auditors.

Gatto probably did this at Nike and knows how to make it all fly. He was REALLY caught by a snitch looking to make a deal to get out of his own fraud charges. Gatto was not caught by any internal auditors, external auditors, or income tax auditors.

 

[Consigliere]

THis just came from article on ESPN. This just doesn't sound good at all

The FBI alleged Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Augustine attempted to broker a deal to send another high school player to Miami, an Adidas-sponsored school, for $150,000. According to the complaint, "the payments from [Adidas] to Player-12 were allegedly requested specifically by a coach at [Miami] (Coach-3), who allegedly called Gatto directly and who, according to Dawkins, Code, and Augustine, 'knows everything' and, in particular, 'knows something's gotta happen for' Player-12 to commit to attending University-7."

This came out this morning. They just copy-paste from the complaint (except add "Miami" and "Adidas").

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Discretionary expenses ALL have to be categorized and accounted for by any employee of a publicly traded company.

Technically, every penny spent is accounted for.

That doesn't mean employees don't lie and fudge expense reports, but the procedure is there for every single publicly traded company.

Right. But if you don't describe an expense as what it actually is, then you can scrape by. That's why I put "discretionary" in quotes. Gatto was a high-ranking exec at adidas. If he "carefully" mislabels an expense, it often goes without being questioned, partly due to his high officer level.

Accounting departments do more to question the $20 meals of rank-and-file employees than they do for $100K expenses of a VP.

Again, if he DESCRIBES the expense in a creative way, he'll get by the first level of scrutiny. Then he only needs to survive the auditors.

Gatto probably did this at Nike and knows how to make it all fly. He was REALLY caught by a snitch looking to make a deal to get out of his own fraud charges. Gatto was not caught by any internal auditors, external auditors, or income tax auditors.

Right. But the onus is on the employee to truthfully describe their expense, and to not engage in illegal activities.

 

[FMCANE]

THis just came from article on ESPN. This just doesn't sound good at all

The FBI alleged Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Augustine attempted to broker a deal to send another high school player to Miami, an Adidas-sponsored school, for $150,000. According to the complaint, "the payments from [Adidas] to Player-12 were allegedly requested specifically by a coach at [Miami] (Coach-3), who allegedly called Gatto directly and who, according to Dawkins, Code, and Augustine, 'knows everything' and, in particular, 'knows something's gotta happen for' Player-12 to commit to attending University-7."

This is word for word in the indictment.

 

[kwsprouse]

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

You're jumping to conclusions without the benefit of facts.

lol That Petino is gone and coach L could be safe? I don't think either are big "jumps". Have you not seen what has been going on at UL the last year and half? He's done

Miami will fire a coach, or indefinitely suspend a coach by Monday. These schools are scrambling to find out what happened and to get in-front of it. Look for more UL announcements tonight.

Or they won't. It's possible. But you have no idea. It's also possible that x coach did nothing to be fired for. Anything is possible at this point, yet you know exactly what's going to happen. Interesting.

I just think you're comparing this to a sloppy NCAA investigation....or the BS Yahoo investigation into Miami football with Shapiro....when all these details came out and it ended up you couldn't prove most of it. The FBI doesn't let you know you are being investigated until they already have you cooked. They aren't going to say a Miami coach called and requested the payments for the recruit, if they don't have evidence or proof it happened. I guess that's just where we have a difference of opinion. I don't see wiggle room to get out of this for that Miami coach. The NCAA and Miami will req to know who it was, and as soon as they know...they're gone. You're right that is just my opinion though.

 

[Classic]

Well, ****.

When Miami wasn't included in the original headlines this morning, I breathed a sigh of relief, thought we were safe. Not so much.

I'm an attorney, which is to say I have an expensive piece of paper to my name and will overcharge you for my services. But it also means that I know how to read a complaint. Allow me to walk you through this, dispel some of the misinformation, and clarify just how nervous we should be.

Miami is specifically referenced in the complaint against Gatto, Code, Dawkins, Augustine, and Sood as University-7. The good stuff (read: bad stuff) is on pages 25-28.

The Big Picture:
Gatto et al funneled money to kids in exchange for them a) committing to play basketball at specific Adidas-sponsored universities and b) agreeing to sign with certain managers, agents, and companies once they turned pro.

The Miami Connection:
A Miami coach ("Coach-3") allegedly requested that Dawkins and Adidas pay a kid ("Player-12," Little?) to commit to Miami.

The Miami Fraud:
Once a player is paid, he becomes ineligible. So Miami expended its resources (a scholarship) to a player that isn't even eligible to play (because of a bribe facilitated by a Miami coach). A nasty little loop which technically constitutes fraud against our beloved university. I suppose this is why Miami isn't listed by name -- the university itself is not implicated and is in fact victim.

The Proof Against Miami:
On a wiretapped call, Dawkins told Code that, according to Augustine, "'Coach-3' knows everything" and that they "could start the process" to funnel money to Player-12 in exchange for his commitment to Miami. Dawkins further informed Code that Coach-3 "knows something gotta happen for it to get done."

On another wiretap, Gato and Code discuss Coach-3's request for the $150K payment to commit to Miami over another school "sponsored by an rival athletic apparel company that allegedly had offered Player-12 a substantial sum of money." This school appears to be Arizona, which was willing to pay the $150K that Adidas et al was trying to match.

Gatto told Code that a Miami coach "just asked about the kid and then he said supposedly the kid was having a meeting with" an Adidas executive at an Adidas high school event.

Why Wasn't Miami's Coach Charged?
Because there's not enough evidence against him, just these loose references made to his involvement by Gatto and Code. Hopefully nothing else turns up. Also, the coaches charged were charged for taking personal bribes, to use their influence over student athletes. Our coach merely and allegedly requested a payment be made to a student athlete. The coach himself was not benefitting from this arrangement.

What Happens to Miami?
Impossible to say. It's going to depend very much on what comes out in Gatto et al's defenses. Will they clam up and take a deal? Will they clam up and fight like ****? Will the roll over on one another? Again, impossible to say.

The good news is that the quoted statements by Gatto and Code referencing the Miami coach are wishy-washy and vague (e.g. he "knows everything" and "knows something gotta happen for it to get done"). There is no smoking gun, just Gatto's reference to Miami's request and the suggestion that Coach 3 made the request and knows what's up.

My Best Guess:
Coach 3 is never charged with anything because there's simply not enough evidence against him to do so. Either Gatto et al clam up, or it becomes a game of he-said-she-said.

Coach 3 is fired from Miami within the next month.

The NCAA uses these complaints as a roadmap to attack the implicated universities, including Miami. That said, the NCAA is incompetent and the longer this lingers, the worse for them. I suspect they'll take what was handed to them on a silver platter by the FBI and sweep everything else under the rug. Being that only one Miami coach is implicated, and the evidence against him is weak, the NCAA will hit Miami with a notice of allegations, but the allegations will be limited to actions made by Coach 3. Miami will argue it's done right by firing said coach and with no other coaches implicated, skates with a relative slap on the wrist.

As always, Go Canes.

 

[kwsprouse]

Sounds like Petino is gone by tonight or tmm morning.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I'm not comparing it to anything. As more actual facts are revealed, we'll know what the likely scenarios are.

I'm just not assuming anything or projecting outcomes without having facts.

Also, there is no official position from the school. You can rest assured that the hard questions are being asked as we speak, and the school will take a strong stand if need be to mitigate any liability.

 

[JgDaCane]

Well, ****.

When Miami wasn't included in the original headlines this morning, I breathed a sigh of relief, thought we were safe. Not so much.

I'm an attorney, which is to say I have an expensive piece of paper to my name and will overcharge you for my services. But it also means that I know how to read a complaint. Allow me to walk you through this, dispel some of the misinformation, and clarify just how nervous we should be.

Miami is specifically referenced in the complaint against Gatto, Code, Dawkins, Augustine, and Sood as University-7. The good stuff (read: bad stuff) is on pages 25-28.

The Big Picture:
Gatto et al funneled money to kids in exchange for them a) committing to play basketball at specific Adidas-sponsored universities and b) agreeing to sign with certain managers, agents, and companies once they turned pro.

The Miami Connection:
A Miami coach ("Coach-3") allegedly requested that Dawkins and Adidas pay a kid ("Player-12," Little?) to commit to Miami.

The Miami Fraud:
Once a player is paid, he becomes ineligible. So Miami expended its resources (a scholarship) to a player that isn't even eligible to play (because of a bribe facilitated by a Miami coach). A nasty little loop which technically constitutes fraud against our beloved university. I suppose this is why Miami isn't listed by name -- the university itself is not implicated and is in fact victim.

The Proof Against Miami:
On a wiretapped call, Dawkins told Code that, according to Augustine, "'Coach-3' knows everything" and that they "could start the process" to funnel money to Player-12 in exchange for his commitment to Miami. Dawkins further informed Code that Coach-3 "knows something gotta happen for it to get done."

On another wiretap, Gato and Code discuss Coach-3's request for the $150K payment to commit to Miami over another school "sponsored by an rival athletic apparel company that allegedly had offered Player-12 a substantial sum of money." This school appears to be Arizona, which was willing to pay the $150K that Adidas et al was trying to match.

Gatto told Code that a Miami coach "just asked about the kid and then he said supposedly the kid was having a meeting with" an Adidas executive at an Adidas high school event.

Why Wasn't Miami's Coach Charged?
Because there's not enough evidence against him, just these loose references made to his involvement by Gatto and Code. Hopefully nothing else turns up.

What Happens to Miami?
Impossible to say. It's going to depend very much on what comes out in Gatto et al's defenses. Will they clam up and take a deal? Will they clam up and fight like ****? Will the roll over on one another? Again, impossible to say.

The good news is that the quoted statements by Gatto and Code referencing the Miami coach are wishy-washy and vague (e.g. he "knows everything" and "knows something gotta happen for it to get done"). There is no smoking gun, just Gatto's reference to Miami's request and the suggestion that Coach 3 made the request and knows what's up.

My Best Guess:
Coach 3 is never charged with anything because there's simply not enough evidence against him to do so. Either Gatto et al clam up, or it becomes a game of he-said-she-said.

Coach 3 is fired from Miami within the next month.

The NCAA uses these complaints as a roadmap to attack the implicated universities, including Miami. That said, the NCAA is incompetent and the longer this lingers, the worse for them. I suspect they'll take what was handed to them on a silver platter by the FBI and sweep everything else under the rug. Being that only one Miami coach is implicated, and the evidence against him is weak, the NCAA will hit Miami with a notice of allegations, but the allegations will be limited to actions made by Coach 3. Miami will argue it's done right by firing said coach and with no other coaches implicated, skates with a relative slap on the wrist.

As always, Go Canes.

I like you.

 

[wherrera8]

Well, ****.

When Miami wasn't included in the original headlines this morning, I breathed a sigh of relief, thought we were safe. Not so much.

I'm an attorney, which is to say I have an expensive piece of paper to my name and will overcharge you for my services. But it also means that I know how to read a complaint. Allow me to walk you through this, dispel some of the misinformation, and clarify just how nervous we should be.

Miami is specifically referenced in the complaint against Gatto, Code, Dawkins, Augustine, and Sood as University-7. The good stuff (read: bad stuff) is on pages 25-28.

The Big Picture:
Gatto et al funneled money to kids in exchange for them a) committing to play basketball at specific Adidas-sponsored universities and b) agreeing to sign with certain managers, agents, and companies once they turned pro.

The Miami Connection:
A Miami coach ("Coach-3") allegedly requested that Dawkins and Adidas pay a kid ("Player-12," Little?) to commit to Miami.

The Miami Fraud:
Once a player is paid, he becomes ineligible. So Miami expended its resources (a scholarship) to a player that isn't even eligible to play (because of a bribe facilitated by a Miami coach). A nasty little loop which technically constitutes fraud against our beloved university. I suppose this is why Miami isn't listed by name -- the university itself is not implicated and is in fact victim.

The Proof Against Miami:
On a wiretapped call, Dawkins told Code that, according to Augustine, "'Coach-3' knows everything" and that they "could start the process" to funnel money to Player-12 in exchange for his commitment to Miami. Dawkins further informed Code that Coach-3 "knows something gotta happen for it to get done."

On another wiretap, Gato and Code discuss Coach-3's request for the $150K payment to commit to Miami over another school "sponsored by an rival athletic apparel company that allegedly had offered Player-12 a substantial sum of money." This school appears to be Arizona, which was willing to pay the $150K that Adidas et al was trying to match.

Gatto told Code that a Miami coach "just asked about the kid and then he said supposedly the kid was having a meeting with" an Adidas executive at an Adidas high school event.

Why Wasn't Miami's Coach Charged?
Because there's not enough evidence against him, just these loose references made to his involvement by Gatto and Code. Hopefully nothing else turns up.

What Happens to Miami?
Impossible to say. It's going to depend very much on what comes out in Gatto et al's defenses. Will they clam up and take a deal? Will they clam up and fight like ****? Will the roll over on one another? Again, impossible to say.

The good news is that the quoted statements by Gatto and Code referencing the Miami coach are wishy-washy and vague (e.g. he "knows everything" and "knows something gotta happen for it to get done"). There is no smoking gun, just Gatto's reference to Miami's request and the suggestion that Coach 3 made the request and knows what's up.

My Best Guess:
Coach 3 is never charged with anything because there's simply not enough evidence against him to do so. Either Gatto et al clam up, or it becomes a game of he-said-she-said.

Coach 3 is fired from Miami within the next month.

The NCAA uses these complaints as a roadmap to attack the implicated universities, including Miami. That said, the NCAA is incompetent and the longer this lingers, the worse for them. I suspect they'll take what was handed to them on a silver platter by the FBI and sweep everything else under the rug. Being that only one Miami coach is implicated, and the evidence against him is weak, the NCAA will hit Miami with a notice of allegations, but the allegations will be limited to actions made by Coach 3. Miami will argue it's done right by firing said coach and with no other coaches implicated, skates with a relative slap on the wrist.

As always, Go Canes.

You said Miami is a victim. So my question is if Miami does get hit in some way, could they sue adidas, since it was them that got us into this mess?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Well, ****.

...

As always, Go Canes.

Thanks for the summary.

Sounds reasonable based on available information.

Wouldn't you say it's also a possibility that "coach 3" denies any involvement since the only apparent "evidence" is him being mentioned in a phone conversation and there's no direct proof, just a tapped conversational allegation?

In any event, I'm pretty sure the school will get out in front of this in a hurry, and do whatever it takes to minimize any future NCAA liability. They've shown this type of behavior recently, remember Grace and Muhammed? They will err on the side of safety.

 

[Classic]

Well, ****.

...

As always, Go Canes.

Thanks for the summary.

Sounds reasonable based on available information.

Wouldn't you say it's also a possibility that "coach 3" denies any involvement since the only apparent "evidence" is him being mentioned in a phone conversation and there's no direct proof, just a tapped conversational allegation?

In any event, I'm pretty sure the school will get out in front of this in a hurry, and do whatever it takes to minimize any future NCAA liability. They've shown this type of behavior recently, remember Grace and Muhammed? They will err on the side of safety.

Yes. Coach 3 would be wise to lawyer up and deny, deny, deny. But I don't suspect that will be enough to satisfy Miami's top brass or the NCAA. Like you said, we'll get ahead of this by firing Coach 3.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Well, ****.

...

As always, Go Canes.

Thanks for the summary.

Sounds reasonable based on available information.

Wouldn't you say it's also a possibility that "coach 3" denies any involvement since the only apparent "evidence" is him being mentioned in a phone conversation and there's no direct proof, just a tapped conversational allegation?

In any event, I'm pretty sure the school will get out in front of this in a hurry, and do whatever it takes to minimize any future NCAA liability. They've shown this type of behavior recently, remember Grace and Muhammed? They will err on the side of safety.

Yes. Coach 3 would be wise to lawyer up and deny, deny, deny. But I don't suspect that will be enough to satisfy Miami's top brass or the NCAA. Like you said, we'll get ahead of this by firing Coach 3.

Here's one assumption I'm willing to make. Coach 3 has already lawyered up, and so has the school. I guarantee you as we speak there are several lawyers working overtime right now. For the school.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Calipari has been playing this game for years.

 

[Classic]

You said Miami is a victim. So my question is if Miami does get hit in some way, could they sue adidas, since it was them that got us into this mess?

I mean they could, but they wouldn't have a case. It's important to distinguish the criminal allegations from any NCAA-determined wrongdoing.

The criminal charges are against individuals, not entities. The government isn't coming after UM.

Instead, the NCAA may come after UM using facts or innuendo garnered from these criminal charges. If Miami is accused of wrongdoing, it'll be by the NCAA alleging infractions by one or more of our coaches. While the Miami coach(es) may have leaned on Adidas for help in committing these infractions, Miami, by proxy of an employed coach, would be on the hook for the wrongdoing.

 

[CaneFan79]

Look at the dates this started: James Comey in command of the FBI, working with his favorite in the Southern District of NY(Preet). As we have seen, a vengeful guy who didn't get any offers to play DI ball coming out of Northern Highlands Regional High School, forcing him to go to Bill and now possibly ******** Miami.

Like we needed any more reasons to dislike him?

 

[Juancane]

Can we just cut the basketball team? Nobody gives a **** anyway. Maybe if we eviscerate the entire basketball program we will be spared further embarrassment, both on the court and off.


Oh and also, there is a basketball board.

at least they have a recent ACC title so lets keep them.

 

[ChosenOne]

Knowing the NCAA the football team will somehow lose scholarships and have a bowl ban for a basketball related issue.

Anyways.. we jinxed ourselves. The MINUTE we start talking about which program is dirtier FSU or UF we get hit with this.. No doubt this will somehow spill into football knowing the NCAA been trying to put us away since the 90s. I bet the NCAA will suddenly do a full/all sport program investigation after this. while nothing has been done to Ole Miss or Florida.