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CaneClassic said:
wherrera8 said:
You said Miami is a victim. So my question is if Miami does get hit in some way, could they sue adidas, since it was them that got us into this mess?
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I mean they could, but they wouldn't have a case. It's important to distinguish the criminal allegations from any NCAA-determined wrongdoing.

The criminal charges are against individuals, not entities. The government isn't coming after UM.

Instead, the NCAA may come after UM using facts or innuendo garnered from these criminal charges. If Miami is accused of wrongdoing, it'll be by the NCAA alleging infractions by one or more of our coaches. While the Miami coach(es) may have leaned on Adidas for help in committing these infractions, Miami, by proxy of an employed coach, would be on the hook for the wrongdoing.
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They may or may not.

I can be reasonably certain we are discussing any steps we can take to nip this in the bud and work with the NCAA like we did with Grace, et al.
 
ChosenOne said:
Knowing the NCAA the football team will somehow lose scholarships and have a bowl ban for a basketball related issue.

Anyways.. we jinxed ourselves. The MINUTE we start talking about which program is dirtier FSU or UF we get hit with this.. No doubt this will somehow spill into football knowing the NCAA been trying to put us away since the 90s.
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This has nothing to do with football. Don't be a clown.
 
CaneClassic said:
The Miami Fraud:
Once a player is paid, he becomes ineligible. So Miami expended its resources (a scholarship) to a player that isn't even eligible to play (because of a bribe facilitated by a Miami coach). A nasty little loop which technically constitutes fraud against our beloved university. I suppose this is why Miami isn't listed by name -- the university itself is not implicated and is in fact victim.
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Miami (FL) didn't expend a scholarship on Little.
 
It's also worth noting that the coaches who were charged were charged because they accepted bribes personally, not for facilitating bribes to players.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Calipari has been playing this game for years.
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If Calipari has been playing this game for years, he would never lose a recruit. Guess what, he does lose recruits he wants....so no, he has not been playing this game for years. As Miami knows, there are some schools and/or coaches the NCAA goes after.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
CaneClassic said:
wherrera8 said:
You said Miami is a victim. So my question is if Miami does get hit in some way, could they sue adidas, since it was them that got us into this mess?
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I mean they could, but they wouldn't have a case. It's important to distinguish the criminal allegations from any NCAA-determined wrongdoing.

The criminal charges are against individuals, not entities. The government isn't coming after UM.

Instead, the NCAA may come after UM using facts or innuendo garnered from these criminal charges. If Miami is accused of wrongdoing, it'll be by the NCAA alleging infractions by one or more of our coaches. While the Miami coach(es) may have leaned on Adidas for help in committing these infractions, Miami, by proxy of an employed coach, would be on the hook for the wrongdoing.
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They may or may not.

I can be reasonably certain we are discussing any steps we can take to nip this in the bud and work with the NCAA like we did with Grace, et al.
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Yes, I too am certain Miami has been on the horn with the NCAA to stay head of this. I was answering Willy's question in regards to Miami having a case against Adidas for a Miami coach's actions.
 
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CaneClassic said:
Well, ****.

When Miami wasn't included in the original headlines this morning, I breathed a sigh of relief, thought we were safe. Not so much.

I'm an attorney, which is to say I have an expensive piece of paper to my name and will overcharge you for my services. But it also means that I know how to read a complaint. Allow me to walk you through this, dispel some of the misinformation, and clarify just how nervous we should be.

Miami is specifically referenced in the complaint against Gatto, Code, Dawkins, Augustine, and Sood as University-7. The good stuff (read: bad stuff) is on pages 25-28.

The Big Picture:
Gatto et al funneled money to kids in exchange for them a) committing to play basketball at specific Adidas-sponsored universities and b) agreeing to sign with certain managers, agents, and companies once they turned pro.

The Miami Connection:
A Miami coach ("Coach-3") allegedly requested that Dawkins and Adidas pay a kid ("Player-12," Little?) to commit to Miami.

The Miami Fraud:
Once a player is paid, he becomes ineligible. So Miami expended its resources (a scholarship) to a player that isn't even eligible to play (because of a bribe facilitated by a Miami coach). A nasty little loop which technically constitutes fraud against our beloved university. I suppose this is why Miami isn't listed by name -- the university itself is not implicated and is in fact victim.

The Proof Against Miami:
On a wiretapped call, Dawkins told Code that, according to Augustine, "'Coach-3' knows everything" and that they "could start the process" to funnel money to Player-12 in exchange for his commitment to Miami. Dawkins further informed Code that Coach-3 "knows something gotta happen for it to get done."

On another wiretap, Gato and Code discuss Coach-3's request for the $150K payment to commit to Miami over another school "sponsored by an rival athletic apparel company that allegedly had offered Player-12 a substantial sum of money." This school appears to be Arizona, which was willing to pay the $150K that Adidas et al was trying to match.

Gatto told Code that a Miami coach "just asked about the kid and then he said supposedly the kid was having a meeting with" an Adidas executive at an Adidas high school event.

Why Wasn't Miami's Coach Charged?
Because there's not enough evidence against him, just these loose references made to his involvement by Gatto and Code. Hopefully nothing else turns up.

What Happens to Miami?
Impossible to say. It's going to depend very much on what comes out in Gatto et al's defenses. Will they clam up and take a deal? Will they clam up and fight like ****? Will the roll over on one another? Again, impossible to say.

The good news is that the quoted statements by Gatto and Code referencing the Miami coach are wishy-washy and vague (e.g. he "knows everything" and "knows something gotta happen for it to get done"). There is no smoking gun, just Gatto's reference to Miami's request and the suggestion that Coach 3 made the request and knows what's up.

My Best Guess:
Coach 3 is never charged with anything because there's simply not enough evidence against him to do so. Either Gatto et al clam up, or it becomes a game of he-said-she-said.

Coach 3 is fired from Miami within the next month.

The NCAA uses these complaints as a roadmap to attack the implicated universities, including Miami. That said, the NCAA is incompetent and the longer this lingers, the worse for them. I suspect they'll take what was handed to them on a silver platter by the FBI and sweep everything else under the rug. Being that only one Miami coach is implicated, and the evidence against him is weak, the NCAA will hit Miami with a notice of allegations, but the allegations will be limited to actions made by Coach 3. Miami will argue it's done right by firing said coach and with no other coaches implicated, skates with a relative slap on the wrist.

As always, Go Canes.
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Absolutely agree with you except for that last part. This is the second time the basketball program has come under fire for paying players in the last ten years. Even it's probably not going to be a significant punishment or going to anything significant towards us, it'll probably be a little more than a slap on the wrist because it's their 2nd investigation in ten years.

Sorry for the neg btw, I was trying to upvote it.
 
ChosenOne said:
Knowing the NCAA the football team will somehow lose scholarships and have a bowl ban for a basketball related issue.

Anyways.. we jinxed ourselves. The MINUTE we start talking about which program is dirtier FSU or UF we get hit with this.. No doubt this will somehow spill into football knowing the NCAA been trying to put us away since the 90s. I bet the NCAA will suddenly do a full/all sport program investigation after this. while nothing has been done to Ole Miss or Florida.
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They have no reason to look into football because they have no evidence of wrongdoing within that program....if you're being investigated for fraud and they come to your house with a search warrant, are you going to give them anything more than what they need? Same concept applies here.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Absolutely agree with you except for that last part. This is the second time the basketball program has come under fire for paying players in the last ten years. Even it's probably not going to be a significant punishment or going to anything significant towards us, it'll probably be a little more than a slap on the wrist because it's their 2nd investigation in ten years.

Sorry for the neg btw, I was trying to upvote it.
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Isn't probation over?

Aren't the allegations (in this complaint) from August, 2017?
 
Consigliere said:
CaneClassic said:
It's also worth noting that the coaches who were charged were charged because they accepted bribes personally, not for facilitating bribes to players.
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And they didn't say our coach did that either.
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Precisely. Which is why Coach 3 is likely safe from prosecution. We just gotta hold on to our butts and hope Gatto et al don't further implicate Miami as that information would be used in an NCAA investigation, which is all we care about.
 
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Consigliere said:
Zbrod95 said:
Absolutely agree with you except for that last part. This is the second time the basketball program has come under fire for paying players in the last ten years. Even it's probably not going to be a significant punishment or going to anything significant towards us, it'll probably be a little more than a slap on the wrist because it's their 2nd investigation in ten years.

Sorry for the neg btw, I was trying to upvote it.
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Isn't probation over?

Aren't the allegations (in this complaint) from August, 2017?
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I don't think it'll matter if we were off probation or were not off probation....the only thing they'll see is the basketball program was just on probation and now there's another accusation.
 
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Miami, FBI, and NCAA in the same paragraph does not bode well. You have to be really foolish to believe that nothing will come of this.

The NCAA used illegal tactics in our last go around and believed the words of a convicted felon corroboration bc it was said twice. Not to mention we under the "cloud" for 3 years!

If this is happening in bball.. one can assume its happening in other sports. The NCAA will coming down to coral gables shortly.
 
CaneClassic said:
Consigliere said:
CaneClassic said:
It's also worth noting that the coaches who were charged were charged because they accepted bribes personally, not for facilitating bribes to players.
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And they didn't say our coach did that either.
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Precisely. Which is why Coach 3 is likely safe from prosecution. We just gotta hold on to our butts and hope Gatto et al don't further implicate Miami as that information would be used in an NCAA investigation, which is all we care about.
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Given the BS they used as evidence in order to implicate Coach 3 (in the complaint), I don't see what Gatto has or can do to further implicate Miami.

As for the allegations...

It's not like the player is coming to the school or committed to the school.

Who knows if this payment was even going to take place or whether Coach 3 was involved? How close was this to happening?
 
I would guess Coach 3 is going to be Brunt and I think there is good chance that the University cleans house. I am very dissapointed.
 
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