OT: Corruption in NCAA BBAll

[Tad Footeball]

If you read paragraph 13 of the charge the universities are named as victims of the defrauding. Too involved to paraphrase why.

And?

Still not being charged or indicted with anything.

Is this where the NCAA will step in and punish Miami?

Just stop.

We're nowhere near even knowing the facts and you're already speculating about punishments for an investigation that hasn't even happened, and for all we know may not happen ?

Post less, you're not adding anything to the discussion

My goodness. Am just comparing what I am reading and hearing about University 6 from people in Louisville to University 7 Miami. If you read Kentucky Sports Radio, "things" could be happening fast there, even tonight. You are entitled to your opinion. However, this is a message board so I will continue. Use your "ignore user" button to stop reading what I write. You don't have to be so d..n hateful.

Weird to say but them sticking by Pitino and fighting this is actually better for all other schools even tangentially touched by this. I highly doubt they'd preemptively can him but him getting the boot blows this entire thing up even more. At that point you then start having to argue that all the bad stuff was JUST happening at Loserville.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

My one saving grace is that there was no Miami coaches rounded up with the other arrests. Feel like with a bunch of wire taps they would have arrested anyone they could as quick as they could.

Yes, there is good and bad here. The bad is that they have evidence that the adidas guy called Coach 3. The good is that he has not yet been arrested, we are not getting Quickley, and I would imagine that no actual money changed hands for a deal that did not go through.

But...the NCAA would LOVE to have a second crack at us.

From my understanding, this evidence doesn't exist.

1. They don't mention they have the Miami coach on tape or email.

2. They only speak that the Miami coach knew and blessed these payments.

The NCAA has done more with less. We might not face the FBI but the NCAA is going to go in raw

The NCAA has no power. These defendants named in the complaint have no reason to talk to the NCAA.

You have the following (according to the complaint):

- Some defendants talking about a Miami coach blessing a payment to a 2018 Recruit.

- At this point, there is no evidence of this conversation.

- The 2018 Recruit didn't go to Miami.

- There is no evidence that the payment even took place.

Again, if Coach-3 helped to arrange the offer, that is enough to get into trouble with the NCAA.

Which, again, goes back to my original point. The best defense will be to deny it, since nothing DIRECT is on the wiretaps.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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Time is a flat circle...

So a ******* who swindled $2.35 million gets off because he turns in guys who are making $100K payoffs?

American Justice.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Yes, there is good and bad here. The bad is that they have evidence that the adidas guy called Coach 3. The good is that he has not yet been arrested, we are not getting Quickley, and I would imagine that no actual money changed hands for a deal that did not go through.

But...the NCAA would LOVE to have a second crack at us.

From my understanding, this evidence doesn't exist.

1. They don't mention they have the Miami coach on tape or email.

2. They only speak that the Miami coach knew and blessed these payments.

The NCAA has done more with less. We might not face the FBI but the NCAA is going to go in raw

The NCAA has no power. These defendants named in the complaint have no reason to talk to the NCAA.

You have the following (according to the complaint):

- Some defendants talking about a Miami coach blessing a payment to a 2018 Recruit.

- At this point, there is no evidence of this conversation.

- The 2018 Recruit didn't go to Miami.

- There is no evidence that the payment even took place.

Again, if Coach-3 helped to arrange the offer, that is enough to get into trouble with the NCAA.

Which, again, goes back to my original point. The best defense will be to deny it, since nothing DIRECT is on the wiretaps.

You'd have to be legitimately chromosome deficient to be a coach at any major football or basketball program and choose to discuss paying players over the phone or via text/email. Not that anyone ever investigates the ol' SEC but at least they send Joe Bob Booster's cousin Skippy down to the Piggly Wiggly to handle their long distance payoffs via Western Union.

 

[Consigliere]

Yes, there is good and bad here. The bad is that they have evidence that the adidas guy called Coach 3. The good is that he has not yet been arrested, we are not getting Quickley, and I would imagine that no actual money changed hands for a deal that did not go through.

But...the NCAA would LOVE to have a second crack at us.

From my understanding, this evidence doesn't exist.

1. They don't mention they have the Miami coach on tape or email.

2. They only speak that the Miami coach knew and blessed these payments.

The NCAA has done more with less. We might not face the FBI but the NCAA is going to go in raw

The NCAA has no power. These defendants named in the complaint have no reason to talk to the NCAA.

You have the following (according to the complaint):

- Some defendants talking about a Miami coach blessing a payment to a 2018 Recruit.

- At this point, there is no evidence of this conversation.

- The 2018 Recruit didn't go to Miami.

- There is no evidence that the payment even took place.

Again, if Coach-3 helped to arrange the offer, that is enough to get into trouble with the NCAA.

Which, again, goes back to my original point. The best defense will be to deny it, since nothing DIRECT is on the wiretaps.

I don't know what Coach-3 did or didn't do. I was only stating the following from the complaint.

Let me put it a different way for Coach-3. Assuming Coach-3 did do the above (help arrange the offer)...

If Coach-3 talks or is caught, they will never coach again. He better deny.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Indictment states University 7 received over $10,000 from federal government. Miami, a private school, received federal funds for what? Title 9?

Pell Grants.
Research money.
You name it.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If you read paragraph 13 of the charge the universities are named as victims of the defrauding. Too involved to paraphrase why.

And?

Still not being charged or indicted with anything.

Is this where the NCAA will step in and punish Miami?

Just stop.

We're nowhere near even knowing the facts and you're already speculating about punishments for an investigation that hasn't even happened, and for all we know may not happen ?

Post less, you're not adding anything to the discussion

My goodness. Am just comparing what I am reading and hearing about University 6 from people in Louisville to University 7 Miami. If you read Kentucky Sports Radio, "things" could be happening fast there, even tonight. You are entitled to your opinion. However, this is a message board so I will continue. Use your "ignore user" button to stop reading what I write. You don't have to be so d..n hateful.

I'm not being hateful by pointing out you're jumping to conclusions with basically no facts.

You're literally talking about punishment when an investigation has not even begun, and very little is actually factually known.

And no, I don't put people on ignore, since this is a message board, like you said. I am entitled to an opinion of your poor logic and jumping to conclusions.

It's important in these situations to put a check on people that start making assumptions, and practically treating their assumptions like facts, when there is no real actual factual basis for their conclusions.

 

[Consigliere]

Indictment states University 7 received over $10,000 from federal government. Miami, a private school, received federal funds for what? Title 9?

Pell Grants.
Research money.
You name it.

$10K is such a low bar too.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Am confused, addidas approached a Miami BBall recruit offering him money to play at Miami, without coaches knowing? If this is the case, why bring up Miami's name at all? Please correct me if I am really confused.

Since Miami is already an Adidas school. If you can't or know you can't, get it done through the coach or AD ... and you want to spread the word on your brand you go directly to the source - a player who has you listed as one of his top signing choices.

Now that is ppssible.

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That's where I'm confused why they would seek an assistant coach's "blessing". Once a kid has a commitable offer then why wouldn't Adidas just go seal the deal on their own rather than add more people to the illegality?

The document makes it seem like adidas was struggling with their "payoff budget" and trying to figure out if they could get this kid for less than what Nike offered. So maybe that's why Coach-3 was involved. On the other hand, it looks like Pitino could just point to a recruit and everyone else would take care of the dirty work.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Indictment states University 7 received over $10,000 from federal government. Miami, a private school, received federal funds for what? Title 9?

Pell Grants.
Research money.
You name it.

$10K is such a low bar too.

Go and look up the statutes in this country. They are not indexed for inflation.

By the way, I agree with you, but these dollar thresholds are decades old.

 

[Consigliere]

Am confused, addidas approached a Miami BBall recruit offering him money to play at Miami, without coaches knowing? If this is the case, why bring up Miami's name at all? Please correct me if I am really confused.

Since Miami is already an Adidas school. If you can't or know you can't, get it done through the coach or AD ... and you want to spread the word on your brand you go directly to the source - a player who has you listed as one of his top signing choices.

Now that is ppssible.

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That's where I'm confused why they would seek an assistant coach's "blessing". Once a kid has a commitable offer then why wouldn't Adidas just go seal the deal on their own rather than add more people to the illegality?

The document makes it seem like adidas was struggling with their "payoff budget" and trying to figure out if they could get this kid for less than what Nike offered. So maybe that's why Coach-3 was involved. On the other hand, it looks like Pitino could just point to a recruit and everyone else would take care of the dirty work.

I found that interesting. These amateurs didn't know if was smart to wait until 2018 to pay the player because it might be more money or cost them more money at this point.

 

[Consigliere]

Indictment states University 7 received over $10,000 from federal government. Miami, a private school, received federal funds for what? Title 9?

Pell Grants.
Research money.
You name it.

$10K is such a low bar too.

Go and look up the statutes in this country. They are not indexed for inflation.

By the way, I agree with you, but these dollar thresholds are decades old.

I agree. I just am amazed at how low of a bar that is still.

 

[kwsprouse]

The Miami coach isn't being arrested because he didn't take the bribe. Just like the UL coach. They only arrested coaches who personally accepted money from the Adidas resp themselves. Those coaches personally got paid $ to bribe the kid, the kid was then also paid by Adidas's or in the Arizona case the coach turned around and gave some of the money he was paid to the player. The Miami coach is on the wire tap discussing the deal. He's done. UL coach is on wire tap and video having the meetings...he's done. Its important to remember just because the Miami and UL coach didn't break a federal law doesn't mean they didn't break massive NCAA laws. The NCAA is now going to work with the FBI on their own investigation. Look for Miami and UL to suspend/fire these coaches asap. Its not good for any schools listed or implemented in the report because you can bank on the NCAA getting their hands on whatever the FBI has.

Miami coach wasn't caught on the wire tap. Those implicated were talking about a Miami coach. Also, NCAA didn't know about this investigation until today. Doesn't seem that the FBI is interested at all in working with the NCAA.

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

The Miami coach isn't being arrested because he didn't take the bribe. Just like the UL coach. They only arrested coaches who personally accepted money from the Adidas resp themselves. Those coaches personally got paid $ to bribe the kid, the kid was then also paid by Adidas's or in the Arizona case the coach turned around and gave some of the money he was paid to the player. The Miami coach is on the wire tap discussing the deal. He's done. UL coach is on wire tap and video having the meetings...he's done. Its important to remember just because the Miami and UL coach didn't break a federal law doesn't mean they didn't break massive NCAA laws. The NCAA is now going to work with the FBI on their own investigation. Look for Miami and UL to suspend/fire these coaches asap. Its not good for any schools listed or implemented in the report because you can bank on the NCAA getting their hands on whatever the FBI has.

Miami coach wasn't caught on the wire tap. Those implicated were talking about a Miami coach. Also, NCAA didn't know about this investigation until today. Doesn't seem that the FBI is interested at all in working with the NCAA.

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

You're jumping to conclusions without the benefit of facts.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Am confused, addidas approached a Miami BBall recruit offering him money to play at Miami, without coaches knowing? If this is the case, why bring up Miami's name at all? Please correct me if I am really confused.

Since Miami is already an Adidas school. If you can't or know you can't, get it done through the coach or AD ... and you want to spread the word on your brand you go directly to the source - a player who has you listed as one of his top signing choices.

Now that is ppssible.

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That's where I'm confused why they would seek an assistant coach's "blessing". Once a kid has a commitable offer then why wouldn't Adidas just go seal the deal on their own rather than add more people to the illegality?

The document makes it seem like adidas was struggling with their "payoff budget" and trying to figure out if they could get this kid for less than what Nike offered. So maybe that's why Coach-3 was involved. On the other hand, it looks like Pitino could just point to a recruit and everyone else would take care of the dirty work.

I found that interesting. These amateurs didn't know if was smart to wait until 2018 to pay the player because it might be more money or cost them more money at this point.

I would imagine that Gatto had a "discretionary" budget from adidas.

I work for a publicly-traded company. Paying bribes is NOT deductible, and can lead to criminal prosecution. Publicly-traded companies are supposed to have all kinds of "internal controls" ever since Enron and Sarbanes-Oxley. So I can imagine that adidas budgets a "discretionary fund" for Gatto that is under a million per year, hoping that it will escape the scrutiny of internal auditors, external auditors, and income tax auditors.

 

[kwsprouse]

The Miami coach isn't being arrested because he didn't take the bribe. Just like the UL coach. They only arrested coaches who personally accepted money from the Adidas resp themselves. Those coaches personally got paid $ to bribe the kid, the kid was then also paid by Adidas's or in the Arizona case the coach turned around and gave some of the money he was paid to the player. The Miami coach is on the wire tap discussing the deal. He's done. UL coach is on wire tap and video having the meetings...he's done. Its important to remember just because the Miami and UL coach didn't break a federal law doesn't mean they didn't break massive NCAA laws. The NCAA is now going to work with the FBI on their own investigation. Look for Miami and UL to suspend/fire these coaches asap. Its not good for any schools listed or implemented in the report because you can bank on the NCAA getting their hands on whatever the FBI has.

Miami coach wasn't caught on the wire tap. Those implicated were talking about a Miami coach. Also, NCAA didn't know about this investigation until today. Doesn't seem that the FBI is interested at all in working with the NCAA.

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

You're jumping to conclusions without the benefit of facts.

lol That Petino is gone and coach L could be safe? I don't think either are big "jumps". Have you not seen what has been going on at UL the last year and half? He's done

 

[Consigliere]

Since Miami is already an Adidas school. If you can't or know you can't, get it done through the coach or AD ... and you want to spread the word on your brand you go directly to the source - a player who has you listed as one of his top signing choices.

Now that is ppssible.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

That's where I'm confused why they would seek an assistant coach's "blessing". Once a kid has a commitable offer then why wouldn't Adidas just go seal the deal on their own rather than add more people to the illegality?

The document makes it seem like adidas was struggling with their "payoff budget" and trying to figure out if they could get this kid for less than what Nike offered. So maybe that's why Coach-3 was involved. On the other hand, it looks like Pitino could just point to a recruit and everyone else would take care of the dirty work.

I found that interesting. These amateurs didn't know if was smart to wait until 2018 to pay the player because it might be more money or cost them more money at this point.

I would imagine that Gatto had a "discretionary" budget from adidas.

I work for a publicly-traded company. Paying bribes is NOT deductible, and can lead to criminal prosecution. Publicly-traded companies are supposed to have all kinds of "internal controls" ever since Enron and Sarbanes-Oxley. So I can imagine that adidas budgets a "discretionary fund" for Gatto that is under a million per year, hoping that it will escape the scrutiny of internal auditors, external auditors, and income tax auditors.

I get it. I just found it interesting if waiting to commit the crime until the new year makes sense since it may cost us more.

 

[RedSquare]

great article from joe nocera at Bloomberg on why the FBI's allegations are, in a manner of speaking, complete "bovine excrement."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-ncaa-s-dirty-work-in-college-basketball-case

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-26/fbi-is-doing-the-ncaa-s-dirty-work-in-college-basketball-case

 

[kwsprouse]

The Miami coach isn't being arrested because he didn't take the bribe. Just like the UL coach. They only arrested coaches who personally accepted money from the Adidas resp themselves. Those coaches personally got paid $ to bribe the kid, the kid was then also paid by Adidas's or in the Arizona case the coach turned around and gave some of the money he was paid to the player. The Miami coach is on the wire tap discussing the deal. He's done. UL coach is on wire tap and video having the meetings...he's done. Its important to remember just because the Miami and UL coach didn't break a federal law doesn't mean they didn't break massive NCAA laws. The NCAA is now going to work with the FBI on their own investigation. Look for Miami and UL to suspend/fire these coaches asap. Its not good for any schools listed or implemented in the report because you can bank on the NCAA getting their hands on whatever the FBI has.

Miami coach wasn't caught on the wire tap. Those implicated were talking about a Miami coach. Also, NCAA didn't know about this investigation until today. Doesn't seem that the FBI is interested at all in working with the NCAA.

Did you not watch that FBI press conference? That dude was on a mission to strike fear in all NCAA coaches. They didn't tell the NCAA they were investigating this until now, probably so it wasn't leaked....I wouldn't confuse that with they won't let the NCAA see what they have once the NCAA opens their own investigation. The FBI will help the NCAA go after the coaches they couldn't get because technically they did not break any federal laws. UL and Miami's coaches are still cooked. Petino gone, but I think coach L could still play ignorance. But not a good look for a school that just had a paying players scandal not long ago.

You're jumping to conclusions without the benefit of facts.

lol That Petino is gone and coach L could be safe? I don't think either are big "jumps". Have you not seen what has been going on at UL the last year and half? He's done

Miami will fire a coach, or indefinitely suspend a coach by Monday. These schools are scrambling to find out what happened and to get in-front of it. Look for more UL announcements tonight.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Discretionary expenses ALL have to be categorized and accounted for by any employee of a publicly traded company.

Technically, every penny spent is accounted for.

That doesn't mean employees don't lie and fudge expense reports, but the procedure is there for every single publicly traded company.