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The problem is that we're not just young, we're young and bad. I'm still waiting to see anything resembling potential from the young DL and I'm afraid we've signed a bunch of JAGs to be honest. I don't necessarily think that guys like Pierre, Grimble, King, Williams, Moore etc are just young, I think they're average or below average guys AND young. LB outlook is tremendously better (extremely good IMO) but injuries have killed us there. CBs and Bush have performed admirably... we don't have any other safeties that should be on a Miami roster, other than perhaps Jenkins (not enough to judge yet). It was irrational to expect it, but I was hopeful we'd have a freshman corner make more of an impact than we've had. None of them have jumped off the screen, which is understandable.

If we don't sing some mother effin' monsters at DL this year, I'm afraid our ceiling the next few years is going to be significantly lowered.... we've had too many classes in a row without getting difference makers there.

It's worth noting that guys like Dortch, O'Donnell, Hoilett, Terry, etc might be some of our highest ceiling guys, but guys we signed knowing they were yearS away from being ready. I'm not giving up on those guys.
 
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Miami's talent isn't that good on defense, but its not 114th in the country bad.
 
UMmike said:
4Canes said:
wushah said:
valid said:
amazing that the numbers are sooo bad, but yet here we are still undefeated in conference.
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Usually those numbers mean that at some point we'll see a regression back to the mean. Not trying to be a hater but just realistic.
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What? the mean at this point is a win, which is hardly a regression. The defense is what they are, winning is all that matters.
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That's not what "regression to the mean" actually means.
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How can their be a reversion to mediocrity when their winning?
 
Larry said:
CaneDaddy said:
4-1, 3-0

Only stats that matter
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4-1, 3-0, and really, Miami has played the easiest part of their schedule.

Combined record 9-10, with BCC being 3-2. NC State, also 3-2, with wins over SoAlabama, The Citadel, and UConn. BC only beating Maine. And GaTech's wins coming over Presbyterian and a 2-3 UVa team. So, basically, Miami's played D1 teams that combined for a 6-8 record with a total of 2 D1 wins (SoAlabama being a provisional team). The wins were fun and awesome to watch, but when you look deeper, the teams we beat are nothing special and it may be more of an indictment that it took us all of the theatrics to beat these mediocre teams than you'd otherwise think.

A win is a win, and as a fan, I'm very much happy and honestly, for a team I thought would be 6-6 or 7-5 at best, they are at least making it entertaining for me, and that is all I really wanted from this team. But, as a football guy, the wins...nothing to write home about or brag about. They were against mediocre or ****** teams.

The lone time Miami played a legitimate team, we got our **** pushed in.

Now, Miami gets to what would be the real part of their schedule...Notre Dame, UNC, Florida State, VaTech (a VaTech team that has already gotten their usual ****** losses out of the way). I think this string of games coming up tells you a little bit more about Miami. Namely, that UNC, FSU, and VaTech stretch.
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We're also giving up a mind-bogling 40 points a game to those ****** D1 teams. I am a logician. I can't help but logically conclude, based on data, and first hand viewership, that we're gonna start to get our **** pushed in pretty soon. That said, I expected us to get knocked around all year with the roster we are working with, and am really impressed and pleased with the cardiac ways we have beaten other marginal teams like up to date.

I think Golden and Co. have something cooking here. Its just not this year. I expect 7-5 when its all said and done. 8-4 would be tremendous. 6-6 would be a bit of a slip but we'd still get to dump our bowl for the NCAA, which is the #1, #2, and #3 priority right now. It means bowl games will have ZERO affect on recruiting, as the kids who sign in February won't be affected, unless we got a relatively unheard of 3rd bowl ban (extremely doubtful).
 
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TheSwagger1 said:
The problem is that we're not just young, we're young and bad. I'm still waiting to see anything resembling potential from the young DL and I'm afraid we've signed a bunch of JAGs to be honest. I don't necessarily think that guys like Pierre, Grimble, King, Williams, Moore etc are just young, I think they're average or below average guys AND young. LB outlook is tremendously better (extremely good IMO) but injuries have killed us there. CBs and Bush have performed admirably... we don't have any other safeties that should be on a Miami roster, other than perhaps Jenkins (not enough to judge yet). It was irrational to expect it, but I was hopeful we'd have a freshman corner make more of an impact than we've had. None of them have jumped off the screen, which is understandable.

If we don't sing some mother effin' monsters at DL this year, I'm afraid our ceiling the next few years is going to be significantly lowered.... we've had too many classes in a row without getting difference makers there.

It's worth noting that guys like Dortch, O'Donnell, Hoilett, Terry, etc might be some of our highest ceiling guys, but guys we signed knowing they were yearS away from being ready. I'm not giving up on those guys.
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Agree. Early results at LB and DB seem promising, but the jury is certainly out at DL. We need some hosses.
 
Larry said:
Miami's talent isn't that good on defense, but its not 114th in the country bad.
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I agree, there's enough talent to be better than that, but look at the offer lists of guys like King, Smith, Pierre, Fentress, Gaines, Highsmith, Armbrister, Green and then consider the level of play we get from guys like Tele, Rodgers, Grimble... I just named a very large # of guys who are taking snaps for us considering there are only 11 guys on the field at once. It's not radically different from other teams you see in the 100+ range.
 
breakingbryan said:
Doesn't help that our offense gives the ball back so quickly either, whether they score or not. Actually, I guess I don't know that for a fact, but it certainly feels like we don't ever have the ball for long.

What's our time of possession look like?
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Agree the our time of possession doesn't help a horrible defense. Second to last possession we were snapping the ball with 25-30 seconds left of the play clock. That is stupid when you are potentially driving for the game winning drive.
 
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blackvern said:
Disgusting..114 out of 118? We ain that young fellas..look at our starters..we dont have many freshman starting..
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How many returning starters do we have? McGee, Chickillo (a true soph), and??? We are ridiculously young and inexperienced on defense, especially at the most critical spot, the DL.
 
These guys all had at least one season of playing time under their belts:

Telemaque
McGee
Chickillo
Perryman
Gaines
Smith
Finnie
Highsmith
Rodgers
Pierre
Grimble
Cain
Green
Luther
Cornelious

What we have is a lack of talent, but we shouldn't be this bad. Not even close to this bad.
 
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rokulika said:
These guys all had at least one season of playing time under their belts:

Telemaque
McGee
Chickillo
Perryman
Gaines
Smith
Finnie
Highsmith
Rodgers
Pierre
Grimble
Cain
Green
Luther
Cornelious

What we have is a lack of talent, but we shouldn't be this bad. Not even close to this bad.
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This
 
We are 4-1 with 3-0 record in the ACC our first 4 out of 6 on the road and you complete FCKN morons are still whining. I will bet not one of you idiots gets off your *** to go to a game. I drove four hours to see the NC State game. We start almost all freshman our best 2 linebackers havent played the last 2 games. Baylor allowed 70 points to WV and they were ranked WV allowed 63 to Baylor. College offenses are much better and more complex than 20 years ago Scoring is up Get used to it. Instead of the constant glass is half empty crap.
 
No one here thought we'd be 4-1 after 5 games. Yes. Our defense is awful. The team is young and growing though. Enjoy the ride. I'd rather be a shaky 4-1 than a solid looking 1-4.
 
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TheSwagger1 said:
The problem is that we're not just young, we're young and bad. I'm still waiting to see anything resembling potential from the young DL and I'm afraid we've signed a bunch of JAGs to be honest. I don't necessarily think that guys like Pierre, Grimble, King, Williams, Moore etc are just young, I think they're average or below average guys AND young. LB outlook is tremendously better (extremely good IMO) but injuries have killed us there. CBs and Bush have performed admirably... we don't have any other safeties that should be on a Miami roster, other than perhaps Jenkins (not enough to judge yet). It was irrational to expect it, but I was hopeful we'd have a freshman corner make more of an impact than we've had. None of them have jumped off the screen, which is understandable.

If we don't sing some mother effin' monsters at DL this year, I'm afraid our ceiling the next few years is going to be significantly lowered.... we've had too many classes in a row without getting difference makers there.

It's worth noting that guys like Dortch, O'Donnell, Hoilett, Terry, etc might be some of our highest ceiling guys, but guys we signed knowing they were yearS away from being ready. I'm not giving up on those guys.
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Im not here to overrate our talent, but you have to remember that DL dont typically play as first or second year players in most programs unless they're special.

Pierre was a kid AG had committed at Temple. It's a compliment to him that he's contributed his first two years. It's more than i expected, but needed for obvious reasons. Grimble was a late take with little eval, and he's starting to contribute. Amother guy who might be a real contributor in a year or two. King was a post-NSD reach just to fill a spot. Another kid playing too early, but contributing. Moore was considered the biggest reach of the three DTs we took in the last class, with the lowest celing. But he's playing over Ivery and Briscoe.

I'm not claiming those guys will become stars. But they may well be solid contributors as upperclassmen, which considering the circumstances of their recruitment would make them successful at UM.

While it's true we need difference makers, filling that bucket will take time. In the meantime we just have no depth so guys are playing too early who are not all world talents. It is what it is.

I'm optimistic that some of our younger guys will develop into legit starters. At LB, we've clearly recruited more talent. But we all knew last Feb. that our DL recruits were not no brainers or kids sought after by most top programs.

I agree that this class -- particularly at DT -- is critical.

But i think some of our younger guys are still showing potential to contribute, and doing so earlier than most of them should probably have been looked to. So its a mixed msg for me. This D will improve the next two years without new blood, just by age, experience, maturity and S&C. We will hopefully add plenty of talent to it going forward, but i am less down on some of the younger guys than others, i guess.
 
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So that falls on coaching...

Grimble
Robinson
Cornelius
Telemaque
McGee
Chickillo
Finnie
Perryman
Highsmith


all had offers so we have the talent fellas that is easy to deduce. we need to see results scheme can mask some of those talent concerns. I think this year will be critical to the overall development of some of our players going forward. Many of them will get quality snaps, which will increase their confidence needed to continue to improve in this game. Football is very mental and reps whether mental rehearsals during in games or being part of a winning competitive culture can increase player productivity. I am looking forward to the maturation of numerous so,rs, and true freshman.
 
I remember seeing some solid play this past weekend. Not all good, but not all bad. We got some hard stops and a lot of forced turnovers. Are we bad? Yes. Can we be better with what we have? Lots better. I think it's coming together though. When is the last time we stopped someone on 4th down inches from a first and just 4 or so yards from the end zone? When is the last time we stripped a ball in the end zone?

We won't be the best but maybe we play our asses off and play well enough just a few more times.
 
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