OC Discussion Thread

[LexCane55]

Who would coach QBs?

It would be strange to have a staff with no one that has really coached QBs before.

 

[ARJB]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

All credit for any of their QB's should be going to Cutcliffe. It's what he does.

 

[Consigliere]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

Really so the HC who was around and coached both Manning brothers and 6 NFL qbs in total had nothing to do with it.

David Cutcliff is the QB guru.

 

[Consigliere]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

All credit for any of their QB's should be going to Cutcliffe. It's what he does.

Smart man

 

[AzureCane]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

credit for what? Lubick took over as the WRs coach and passing game coordinator at Duke in 2010. 2010 was the first year Renfree was the starter there.

Renfrees stats
2010 285-464 3131 yards 14/17
2011 282-434 2891 yards 13/11
2012 297-441 3113 yards 19/10

You could attribute the higher completion % and less Ints to normal progression with experience and Cutcliffe. I dont see anyway Lubick gets credit for Renfree

 

[CaneDaddy]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

Really so the HC who was around and coached both Manning brothers and 6 NFL qbs in total had nothing to do with it.

David Cutcliff is the QB guru.

Never said Cutcliff didnt do anything. However, Lubick probably did a lot of the little things to help Renfree develop. Tough for a HC to spend a ton of one-on-one time with the QB's.

 

[CaneDaddy]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

credit for what? Lubick took over as the WRs coach and passing game coordinator at Duke in 2010. 2010 was the first year Renfree was the starter there.

Renfrees stats
2010 285-464 3131 yards 14/17
2011 282-434 2891 yards 13/11
2012 297-441 3113 yards 19/10

You could attribute the higher completion % and less Ints to normal progression with experience and Cutcliffe. I dont see anyway Lubick gets credit for Renfree

So QB's just naturally progress with little to no need of coaching?? See Miami QB's for the past 10 years with that kind of statement.

 

[Consigliere]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

Really so the HC who was around and coached both Manning brothers and 6 NFL qbs in total had nothing to do with it.

David Cutcliff is the QB guru.

Never said Cutcliff didnt do anything. However, Lubick probably did a lot of the little things to help Renfree develop. Tough for a HC to spend a ton of one-on-one time with the QB's.

My problem is your 100% percent guessing. Cutcliff is a QB guru and this is what he does. Lubbick is not an OC and not a QB coach. I have no doubt that he will be an OC one day but he would be coming to Miami and there is no one to learn from. We need a real OC and one who knows QBs.

This is a bad hire IMO for QB coach and OC. It makes little sense.

 

[AzureCane]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

credit for what? Lubick took over as the WRs coach and passing game coordinator at Duke in 2010. 2010 was the first year Renfree was the starter there.

Renfrees stats
2010 285-464 3131 yards 14/17
2011 282-434 2891 yards 13/11
2012 297-441 3113 yards 19/10

You could attribute the higher completion % and less Ints to normal progression with experience and Cutcliffe. I dont see anyway Lubick gets credit for Renfree

So QB's just naturally progress with little to no need of coaching?? See Miami QB's for the past 10 years with that kind of statement.

Most players will improve with experience to some degree, but will never reach their potential with little coaching see many of our players over the past 10 years. You also missed or ignored the part where I also mentioned Cutcliffe as playing a role in his development.

 

[Chronic2011]

Lubick (or other best candidate, whoever) at OC and

Ken Dorsey as QB coach and

Ray Lewis starting in the summer as assistant strength coach / general mentor

 

[Kevin]

Cutcliffe is a QB guru. Y'all don't think Lubick picked up quite a few things about the qb position. I would gladly take someone who learned the position from a "guru".

 

[AzureCane]

Lubick would be a homerun, do it Golden.

The only problem I see with Lubick is that if we bring him in, that still wont address the fact that we have nobody on the staff who has any experience working with QBs, and when you look at all the young talent we have at QB, we simply cant afford to have somebody "learning on the job" with them and risking their development in the process. I think whoever we hire has to have experience working with QBs, as that will be just as important as their duties as OC

He gets a lot of credit for Renfree.

Really so the HC who was around and coached both Manning brothers and 6 NFL qbs in total had nothing to do with it.

David Cutcliff is the QB guru.

Never said Cutcliff didnt do anything. However, Lubick probably did a lot of the little things to help Renfree develop. Tough for a HC to spend a ton of one-on-one time with the QB's.

Actually many HC have spent time doubling up coaching a position or as a coordinator. The reality is that its actually more difficult for a coordinator to also coach a position than it is for a HC to double up as a position coach because of the time involved in game planning as a coordinator. If memory serves me correctly, Cutcliffe also doubled as QBs coach when Eli Manning was at Ole Miss. The only part that Lubick played in making Renfree look good, was the fact he did a great job with the WRs that Renfree was throwing to. You can say that 100% of the credit for the performance and development of guys like Vernon and Varner goes to Lubick.

 

[Consigliere]

Cutcliffe is a QB guru. Y'all don't think Lubick picked up quite a few things about the qb position. I would gladly take someone who learned the position from a "guru".

You are missing the big issue. He is not an OC. I am sure he learned from coach cutcliff but do you seriously think he is read to coach a WHOLE OFFENSE and the QB.

 

[AzureCane]

Lubick (or other best candidate, whoever) at OC and

Ken Dorsey as QB coach and

Ray Lewis starting in the summer as assistant strength coach / general mentor

Which 2 coaches would we fire in order to hire Dorsey and Lewis to make sure we can stay at the coaching limit??

 

[Consigliere]

Azure I am with you.

 

[AzureCane]

Cutcliffe is a QB guru. Y'all don't think Lubick picked up quite a few things about the qb position. I would gladly take someone who learned the position from a "guru".

What makes you think that Lubick learned anything about coaching QBs from Cutcliffe? He has other responsibilities on Cutcliffes staff, Im not sure that being a QB coach "intern" is one of them. Applying the same logic, Randy must have "pick up" something about being a HC from Butch Davis because he was an assistant on his staff. Yes?

 

[Biscuits]

Only downside with Lubick is that he doesn't have OC experience or experience coaching QB's.

I would say that is a tremendous downside. In fact that makes the hire borderline stupid. We need a qb coach and an OC and he can't do either.

Not smart IMO

This. Loved the spot for him at WR. Hate it at OC. Massive risk.

Not saying AG couldn't pull it off, or it wouldn't work. But it would be rolling the dice.

 

[Consigliere]

Only downside with Lubick is that he doesn't have OC experience or experience coaching QB's.

I would say that is a tremendous downside. In fact that makes the hire borderline stupid. We need a qb coach and an OC and he can't do either.

Not smart IMO

This. Loved the spot for him at WR. Hate it at OC. Massive risk.

Not saying AG couldn't pull it off, or it wouldn't work. But it would be rolling the dice.

Logical and correct.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I'd try for Ed Warriner, although I doubt we could pry him from Ohio State.

Mangino has been mentioned but Warriner was largely responsible for Kansas' success during that time frame. I think Mangino would concede as much. It was a fantastic hire by Urban Meyer last year. As soon as I saw that name in rather obscure fashion among the coaches Meyer had hired, it was more verification that some guys simply know what they are doing.

With Warriner you certainly wouldn't have to worry about being tough enough. He's a rugged offensive line specialist. Lack of toughness was always my concern with Fisch, that he was putting together a nice cute finesse offense that could terrorize vulnerable defenses but simply not run oriented or physical enough to deal with premier opponents.

 

[AzureCane]

I'd try for Ed Warriner, although I doubt we could pry him from Ohio State.

Mangino has been mentioned but Warriner was largely responsible for Kansas' success during that time frame. I think Mangino would concede as much. It was a fantastic hire by Urban Meyer last year. As soon as I saw that name in rather obscure fashion among the coaches Meyer had hired, it was more verification that some guys simply know what they are doing.

With Warriner you certainly wouldn't have to worry about being tough enough. He's a rugged offensive line specialist. Lack of toughness was always my concern with Fisch, that he was putting together a nice cute finesse offense that could terrorize vulnerable defenses but simply not run oriented or physical enough to deal with premier opponents.

Warriner would be a great hire, but I cant see him taking the same position here with a paycut