Next year could be ugly

[Consigliere]

I understand your thinking as to why we would not have a 6-6, but let me throw this out there--- We played teams that were worse this year. GT, UNC, VT, Va and they still carved us up. From the statistics point of view, we only improved defensively by 40 yards on pass defense and 23 in total defense. So if we bring the same team back... which we basically are (besides DP) we will improve another handful of yards. All the teams we played in the ACC will be re-markedly better offensively that we play. GT broke in a new QB this year, Williams at UNC is a true dual threat that will kill us (also in fedoras 3rd year), Lambert at UVa already lit us up and id be shocked if he doesnt start next year over that hack Watford. Duke loses Connette and thats about it. FSU just reloads! Pitt will be breaking in a new QB, same as VT.

That is factually incorrect.

2013: GT, UNC, WF, FSU, VT, Duke, Pitt and UVA
Our Record: 5-3
SOS (i.e. our opponent’s W/L): 55-41 (33-31)

2012: BC, GT, NC St, UNC, FSU, VT, UVA and Duke
Our Record: 5-3
SOS: 50-48 (31-33)

The record of the teams we faced THIS YEAR was better than last year (both in conference and OOC).

As for a few individual things you state, our defense allowed more points this year than last year. We scored less points this year than last year. Yet we finished with the same record and the W/L of our ACC Opponents was better than last year.

You can breakdown opponents specifically (i.e. GT's QB is new etc.) but that doesn't matter before any results have occurred. Winston was a new QB and they are better this year. Duke has a new QB and they are better this year. As for Lambert, you think he shredded us because he came in when the game was out of reach and had success. That is all dead time, I am sure his performance against VT (4-16 52 Yards 1 INT) is more of an indication why he is on the bench and not starting. This is all irrelevant anyway. Players will be leaving all the time, the QB will change as well.

At our worst (2011) with all the suspensions and craziness we we're 6-6. When things were still bad and we fielded our worst defense we we're 5-3 (7-5). Now we're still 5-3 in the conference (9-3 overall) and I don't see any indication that we would go back to 6-6 other than some major catastrophe (several QB injuries).

The defense will still suck but I can't see any 6-6 season on the horizon.

 

[5XNC]

**** no. this offense will be elite with playmakers at every position. a solid good group of oline, playmakers at rb, wr, te. give a qb who can just manage a game a get the ball to playmakers.

 

[Stylie]

**** no. this offense will be elite with playmakers at every position. a solid good group of oline, playmakers at rb, wr, te. give a qb who can just manage a game a get the ball to playmakers.

I agree. The offense will be out of control good.

 

[Consigliere]

I love the breakdown. I agree with most. For me, being an ex college football player (defensive back), My issue is the defense. There were many variables as to why the Offense was not up to snuf, while returning all the players. Turnovers played role but so did having a new OC! There is reason why offensive playbooks are bigger then defensive playbooks.... there is more information to learn and digest. Every QB on the current roster will be on their second go-around in Coleys system. Id start to worry if we struggled to put 17 points. Even if Coley blows..we have the horses on offense to put up 20+. I am 100% confident we get better on offense next year.

If a Miami team can score 24 points...that is more then enough to win, but our defense cant stop a f@cking nose bleed.

I think our offense can do more than 24 points. In year 1 of Coley, we scored almost 27 PPG. We also improved as the season went on and without major talent (Duke Johnson). My belief is that next year we will score closer to 30 PPG in ACC play.

Positives:
- Year 2 of Coley (system),
- Healthy Duke for the whole year, plus the new RBs coming in
- Coley (WR) in year 2
- 3 Returning Starters at OL (Flowers, Felicano and McDermott)
- Injuries to Scott and Dorsett and bringing them back

Negatives:

- Linder, Wheeler and Henderson are gone (not the biggest Henderson fan)
- Hurns (not impossible to replace)

Unknown Variable:

- Morris. Love the arm and hate the turnovers and mental lapses. Not sure how the replacement will play but there are a ton of playmakers at their disposal.

I don't have anything to say about the defense, they suck.

 

[5XNC]

this should be a top offense in the country.
rb--duke, Edwards, Crawford, yearby
wr--waters, dorsett, coley, scott (and whatever incoming freshmen earn pt)
te--walford, sandland, dobard

please. we may have to outscore people, but, if Williams or olsen can make some throws, just put the ball in peoples hands, we should be good to go.

and I think if grace, figs, Kirby, McCord, aqm, kamula, pierre can all improve, we could be ok w/ better scheme.
our dbs should be a top unit in the nation.

 

[5XNC]

bunche has been a part time starter off and on. we have essentially 4 starters at oline coming back. Isadora should have a big jump. throw in gadbois, wells, knighton, odogu and maybe a McDermott or darling and we should be ok.

 

[sebastian91]

We also improved as the season went on and without major talent (Duke Johnson).

Just curious what you based this statement on. The offense had fewer 1st downs, 100 less yards per game, and was worse on 3rd down conversions in the last 6 games versus the first 6 games. Yeah, the competition was better in the last 6 games, but I don't think the offense improved as the season went on at all. They actually got worse and, IMO, contributed to the defense sucking as bad as it did (though they likely would've sucked anyway).

 

[Alexdw85]

I understand your thinking as to why we would not have a 6-6, but let me throw this out there--- We played teams that were worse this year. GT, UNC, VT, Va and they still carved us up. From the statistics point of view, we only improved defensively by 40 yards on pass defense and 23 in total defense. So if we bring the same team back... which we basically are (besides DP) we will improve another handful of yards. All the teams we played in the ACC will be re-markedly better offensively that we play. GT broke in a new QB this year, Williams at UNC is a true dual threat that will kill us (also in fedoras 3rd year), Lambert at UVa already lit us up and id be shocked if he doesnt start next year over that hack Watford. Duke loses Connette and thats about it. FSU just reloads! Pitt will be breaking in a new QB, same as VT.

That is factually incorrect.

2013: GT, UNC, WF, FSU, VT, Duke, Pitt and UVA
Our Record: 5-3
SOS (i.e. our opponent’s W/L): 55-41 (33-31)

2012: BC, GT, NC St, UNC, FSU, VT, UVA and Duke
Our Record: 5-3
SOS: 50-48 (31-33)

The record of the teams we faced THIS YEAR was better than last year (both in conference and OOC).

As for a few individual things you state, our defense allowed more points this year than last year. We scored less points this year than last year. Yet we finished with the same record and the W/L of our ACC Opponents was better than last year.

You can breakdown opponents specifically (i.e. GT's QB is new etc.) but that doesn't matter before any results have occurred. Winston was a new QB and they are better this year. Duke has a new QB and they are better this year. As for Lambert, you think he shredded us because he came in when the game was out of reach and had success. That is all dead time, I am sure his performance against VT (4-16 52 Yards 1 INT) is more of an indication why he is on the bench and not starting. This is all irrelevant anyway. Players will be leaving all the time, the QB will change as well.

At our worst (2011) with all the suspensions and craziness we we're 6-6. When things were still bad and we fielded our worst defense we we're 5-3 (7-5). Now we're still 5-3 in the conference (9-3 overall) and I don't see any indication that we would go back to 6-6 other than some major catastrophe (several QB injuries).

The defense will still suck but I can't see any 6-6 season on the horizon.

Huh? The teams we played last year had a combined record of 76-60 including OOC. (And I didnt include Bethune who finished 9-3.) The teams we have played this year combined for 67-64 so far. (Not including 1-11 Savannah State). Im confused unless I misread your statement.

We essentially traded a 4-8 UF team and a 6-6 FAU team for 11-2 Kansas State and 12-1 Notre Dame.

 

[Consigliere]

We also improved as the season went on and without major talent (Duke Johnson).

Just curious what you based this statement on. The offense had fewer 1st downs, 100 less yards per game, and was worse on 3rd down conversions in the last 6 games versus the first 6 games. Yeah, the competition was better in the last 6 games, but I don't think the offense improved as the season went on at all. They actually got worse and, IMO, contributed to the defense sucking as bad as it did (though they likely would've sucked anyway).

Just so we're on the same page, I am only speaking of ACC play (first four games versus last four games):

We scored more points and turned the ball over less. Here is my post from earlier in this thread:

First Four Games:

GT: 38 (remember 7 was on the Gunter Pick-6)
UNC (1st Quarter): 20 (Gunter FG block TD)
WF: 24
FSU: 14

Compelling Stat: 10 Turnovers

Points averaged in the first four games: 96 Points or 24.0 PPG

Last four games:

VT: 24
Duke: 23 (7 was on a Coley Return)
UVA: 41
Pitt: 31 (7 on a Fumble Return TD and 7 on a Pick-6)

Compelling Stat: 5 Turnovers

Points Averaged in the Last Four Games: 119 Total Points 29.75 PPG

My big thing for the offense is scoring points and not turning it over. We scored more points in the last 4 games than in the first four games. We also turned the ball half as many times. You are correct that the defense sucked but my post has nothing to do with defense. Just the actual offensive performance.

 

[Consigliere]

I understand your thinking as to why we would not have a 6-6, but let me throw this out there--- We played teams that were worse this year. GT, UNC, VT, Va and they still carved us up. From the statistics point of view, we only improved defensively by 40 yards on pass defense and 23 in total defense. So if we bring the same team back... which we basically are (besides DP) we will improve another handful of yards. All the teams we played in the ACC will be re-markedly better offensively that we play. GT broke in a new QB this year, Williams at UNC is a true dual threat that will kill us (also in fedoras 3rd year), Lambert at UVa already lit us up and id be shocked if he doesnt start next year over that hack Watford. Duke loses Connette and thats about it. FSU just reloads! Pitt will be breaking in a new QB, same as VT.

That is factually incorrect.

2013: GT, UNC, WF, FSU, VT, Duke, Pitt and UVA
Our Record: 5-3
SOS (i.e. our opponent’s W/L): 55-41 (33-31)

2012: BC, GT, NC St, UNC, FSU, VT, UVA and Duke
Our Record: 5-3
SOS: 50-48 (31-33)

The record of the teams we faced THIS YEAR was better than last year (both in conference and OOC).

As for a few individual things you state, our defense allowed more points this year than last year. We scored less points this year than last year. Yet we finished with the same record and the W/L of our ACC Opponents was better than last year.

You can breakdown opponents specifically (i.e. GT's QB is new etc.) but that doesn't matter before any results have occurred. Winston was a new QB and they are better this year. Duke has a new QB and they are better this year. As for Lambert, you think he shredded us because he came in when the game was out of reach and had success. That is all dead time, I am sure his performance against VT (4-16 52 Yards 1 INT) is more of an indication why he is on the bench and not starting. This is all irrelevant anyway. Players will be leaving all the time, the QB will change as well.

At our worst (2011) with all the suspensions and craziness we we're 6-6. When things were still bad and we fielded our worst defense we we're 5-3 (7-5). Now we're still 5-3 in the conference (9-3 overall) and I don't see any indication that we would go back to 6-6 other than some major catastrophe (several QB injuries).

The defense will still suck but I can't see any 6-6 season on the horizon.

Huh? The teams we played last year had a combined record of 76-60 including OOC. (And I didnt include Bethune who finished 9-3.) The teams we have played this year combined for 67-64 so far. (Not including 1-11 Savannah State). Im confused unless I misread your statement.

We essentially traded a 4-8 UF team and a 6-6 FAU team for 11-2 Kansas State and 12-1 Notre Dame.

Reread and start again. This is strictly about ACC only. There is no OOC schedule involved.

 

[SmokeyRone]

So lets see our schedule next year:

Florida A&M W
Arkansas State W
Cincinnati W
Nebraska toss up
Duke we will get revenge W
Florida State L
North Carolina W
Pittsburgh W
Georgia Tech W
Louisville toss up
Virginia W
Virginia Tech W

We can go 9-3, 10-2, or 11-1

Louisville won't be as good with teddy gone

Id say every ACC game and nebraska is a toss up, with two ACC L's (FSU, VT)

We were a LOT closer to 2-6 in the ACC this year than 6-2.

 

[sebastian91]

We also improved as the season went on and without major talent (Duke Johnson).

Just curious what you based this statement on. The offense had fewer 1st downs, 100 less yards per game, and was worse on 3rd down conversions in the last 6 games versus the first 6 games. Yeah, the competition was better in the last 6 games, but I don't think the offense improved as the season went on at all. They actually got worse and, IMO, contributed to the defense sucking as bad as it did (though they likely would've sucked anyway).

Just so we're on the same page, I am only speaking of ACC play (first four games versus last four games):

We scored more points and turned the ball over less. Here is my post from earlier in this thread:

First Four Games:

GT: 38 (remember 7 was on the Gunter Pick-6)
UNC (1st Quarter): 20 (Gunter FG block TD)
WF: 24
FSU: 14

Compelling Stat: 10 Turnovers

Points averaged in the first four games: 96 Points or 24.0 PPG

Last four games:

VT: 24
Duke: 23 (7 was on a Coley Return)
UVA: 41
Pitt: 31 (7 on a Fumble Return TD and 7 on a Pick-6)

Compelling Stat: 5 Turnovers

Points Averaged in the Last Four Games: 119 Total Points 29.75 PPG

My big thing for the offense is scoring points and not turning it over. We scored more points in the last 4 games than in the first four games. We also turned the ball half as many times. You are correct that the defense sucked but my post has nothing to do with defense. Just the actual offensive performance.

Ah, OK. My bad. The turnovers were definitely improved, which certainly should help with PPG (and did).

That said, yards per game was 443 for the first 4 ACC games, and 424 for the last 4 ACC games, first downs were 20.5 and 18, and 3rd down conversion % was 44 and 33...so, my point remains valid that they didn't necessarily improve as the ACC season went on, especially for 3rd down conversions. I think you're correct to point out the turnovers, which is clearly the main reason for the improved PPG. In the end, points is what matters most, and they got better with that, but converting 3rd downs at a 1-in-3 clip isn't doing the already crappy defense any favors.

 

[Odin]

**** no. this offense will be elite with playmakers at every position. a solid good group of oline, playmakers at rb, wr, te. give a qb who can just manage a game a get the ball to playmakers.

Hard to have an elite offense with out a good QB,what if both Williams and Olsen suck.

 

[btcane]

Im concerned about our depth at D tackle and linebacker. Aside from that, we will have our strongest roster in many years.

I agree, but would add concern at punter position. Barnard & Carroll are untested/unknown.

 

[capefearcane]

Yearby?

 

[btcane]

How??? We return 4 guys on the OL with over 14 starts a piece, We return 6 of our 7 WR with Coley being ALL ACC.. We return ALL ACC RB, A 4 year starter at TE in Walford. Ryan Williams has started at a BCS school as a true freshman. The defense should have one of the top secondaries in the country in ALL ACC Howard at CB and Gunter who has 3 picks with 2 Defensive TD should get some ALL ACC honors. With an emerging star in Artie Burns with a solid Crawford at Nickel with two good safeties in Bush and Jenkins. AQM and McCord should be feasting next season with 2 3 year starters in Pierre and Chickillo.. If Perryman returns you have an ALL ACC LB returning. With the soft schedule again we should.... win the coastal and 10 games.. Golden is going into his 4th season no more excuses..

Again, (1) need a punter (O'Donnel was a weapon!; and (2) three other problems --- depth, depth and depth.

 

[gongorad]

I see a Tex Am type offensive explosion w/ a **** opportunistic def giving up tons of yards again

 

[umwader]

Living in Nebraska and having to hear daily how a lot of locals think they're still nationally relevant and actually have a prayer to return to long ago glory days, I may have to kill myself before even leaving the stadium in September so let's not drop that one. Granted I'm biased but if our D and QB are at worst competent that game is a clear W not the afore mentioned toss up

 

[btcane]

Its been 3 years and chickillo has gotten worse!!!!! We have regressed on defense! Explain how you think we improve drastically with basically the same lineup?? Wake the f@ck up, Duke doesnt play DEFENSE!!!

He may not play defense, but he gives the defense more rest when he's available. With him playing and us getting just 1, or 2 more first downs per game (conservatively), our defense looks much better.

 

[zoisgod]

QB can change everything. if olsen is the goods we we will have a chance to be great. If williams wins job we win 8