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[TriStarCane]

I assume they know a lot more than most of the people here who watch a five minute highlight video and think they can make a firm conclusion.

C'mon, man, you been around here long enough to know that the porster film evaluators know more than people who get paid to evaluate high school kids.

Then what's the point of this board and posting threads like this? Isn't this board designed and made to come together and evaluate our team? Okay, so no one here is a D1 coach. There are, however, a lot of people that have been around the game all their lives and have seen high level football. I don't understand the whole "Oh, well you're not paid to evaluate so don't evaluate" notion. This is a fan message/opinion board. If the coaches think this kid is a Cane right tackle, cool. I don't agree. That's the beauty of the interwebz

 

[Fountain of Canes]

I'm usually optimistic about recruits because I can see the work that needs to be put in. This kid is not that good. Should have never gotten an offer from us honestly. His technique is bad , the talent he is playing is awful. They are the reason he looks like a "mauler" and a good pass protector. His initial contact is so soft but he has good drive and that's it. Waste of a scholarship.

 

[FINCHLION]

I remember when a kid named Brad Kaaya had only 2 offers until what November, one from San Diego St. and the other from............ oh UM! But automatically the offers a kid has matters and the stars matter too! I remember when Travis Rudolph, Chad Thomas, Brad Kaaya, Alex Collins, Trayone Gray, Juwon Young, JC Jackson and so many others that I can't name off the top of my head were 3*s at this time and nobody here wanted them either

Did people react the same way they're reacting to this pickup? If the film looks good people won't **** about it. When people watched the tape on Collins, Rudolph, Gray etc. the talent was obvious. This isn't the same situation as those.

Jamaicancane give it up, film speaks for itself, this guy is light in weight and does not have good drive or strength or an exceptional first step off the ball. It was not hard to tell collins and thomas were beast from their film, like I said before, throw stars and offers out, film speaks for itself and this was a bad pick up period. At the end of the day, I just want to see UM succeed and I'm not confident this guy can be productive in a UM uniform.

You sound really smart. How are you not on Sabans staff?

Because I'm to busy training for the highest level of competition in football while your probably sitting on your a**. Any other questions?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

If this kid can contribute equally or more than 5 star Seantrel Henderson did I'll be happy.

 

[Joecane]

If this kid can contribute equally or more than 5 star Seantrel Henderson did I'll be happy.

So if he's average, lazy and has multiple suspensions due to off the field issues you'll be happy?

 

[561Cane]

Really? You are bringing up stars on kids that are juniors? You need to calm yourself down man....

I'll probably get negged, but I'm not liking the way this class is shaking out so far.

I believe we have close to ten commits and only one is a 4 star. Yes, stars aren't everything but this reminds me of Golden's '12 class where he took a ton of guys who aren't Miami caliber.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Not overly excited based on his junior clips.

Light in the *** and isn't very powerful. He will gain some weight in college, but I'm getting a Matt Pipho vibe.

He's gonna be a doctor?

 

[sebastian91]

Then what's the point of this board and posting threads like this?

Apparently, to give the idiot masses a place to ***** and moan about **** they aren't qualified to ***** and moan about. Carry on.

 

[Gi0logy]

I remember when a kid named Brad Kaaya had only 2 offers until what November, one from San Diego St. and the other from............ oh UM! But automatically the offers a kid has matters and the stars matter too! I remember when Travis Rudolph, Chad Thomas, Brad Kaaya, Alex Collins, Trayone Gray, Juwon Young, JC Jackson and so many others that I can't name off the top of my head were 3*s at this time and nobody here wanted them either

Did people react the same way they're reacting to this pickup? If the film looks good people won't **** about it. When people watched the tape on Collins, Rudolph, Gray etc. the talent was obvious. This isn't the same situation as those.

Jamaicancane give it up, film speaks for itself, this guy is light in weight and does not have good drive or strength or an exceptional first step off the ball. It was not hard to tell collins and thomas were beast from their film, like I said before, throw stars and offers out, film speaks for itself and this was a bad pick up period. At the end of the day, I just want to see UM succeed and I'm not confident this guy can be productive in a UM uniform.

You sound really smart. How are you not on Sabans staff?

Because I'm to busy training for the highest level of competition in football while your probably sitting on your a**. Any other questions?

I'm just saying you sound stupid, sheesh. No need to take it personally.

 

[M3N]

These fat wastes of space think they're still at Temple.

This will come back to bite him in the ***. Along with retaining the defensive staff.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

BC's O-Line helped lead the way for a 2000 yard rusher.

But they probably don't know much about O-Line talent.

Tulane had a 2,000 yard rusher a couple of years ago. Want any of their OL?

http://www.giants.com/team/roster/Troy-Kropog/a65a7399-31e3-4242-a30c-722988590dea

 

[AllbouttheU]

If this kid can contribute equally or more than 5 star Seantrel Henderson did I'll be happy.

Lmao uhhh

 

[fincane]

These fat wastes of space think they're still at Temple.

Kehoe never coached at Temple. Neither did Coley. The two guys who likely had to advocate for the kid before Golden.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Remember when we used to battle UMASS, FIU and USF for recruits.

To think, thoses are now the salad days.

 

[TheMatador]

These fat wastes of space think they're still at Temple.

This will come back to bite him in the ***. Along with retaining the defensive staff.

I didn't know Kehoe was ever at Temple. As I recall, he coached the greatest OL in UM history (2001) or so people said. I thought that 2001 OL was pretty good, but a bit overrated. Many people had it as one of the greatest in all of college football history, but I doubt that.

Still, to many, Kehoe is a modern legend. I've never been as much of a fan, perhaps because I didn't think he recruited particularly well back in the '80s. Still, I've got to thnk Art is heavily involved in this, so you can put blame on him if it doesn't work. I don't think AG or Coley would have taken him if Art said "NO!" Maybe it's another Kyle Stranahan or Jason Budroni. Who knows? Finchlion clames to be "preparing at the highest level of football," yet he doesn't identify it, or his expertise. He says no based on a video highlight. His HS coach says the exact opposite.

Who knows? I sure don't.

 

[TheMatador]

These fat wastes of space think they're still at Temple.

Kehoe never coached at Temple. Neither did Coley. The two guys who likely had to advocate for the kid before Golden.

Didn't see this post before I posted mine below. Yes, Kehoe would have had to be involved. I just don't understand all these message board experts who can evaluate based on a five minute video. Sometimes a kid jumps out at you, sometimes they don't. A friend who worked in the recruiting office at UM for years (as a valued volunteer, going back to the Dave Scott era) told me that the "recruiting lists" rarely predicted success. He meant things like stars, etc. It's all based on coaching evaluations, and I've got to think they've given it a more in-depth analysis than a HUDL video, at least I hope so.

I remember when we badly needed an experienced backup for Vinnie Testaverde. Guys in the program like Greg Jones, Kyle Vandewende, and others didn't work out. I think Steve Walsh and Jeff Turkowski were true freshmen. They went looking for a Juco and found Geoff Torretta. Not only did they look at film, but talk to his coach they actually talked to opposing coaches in his Juco league in northern California.

 

[TheMatador]

Remember when we used to battle UMASS, FIU and USF for recruits.

To think, thoses are now the salad days.

We've often battled similar schools for some of our best players. What other offers did Russ Maryland have? One, and it was even worse than the schools you mention. I think it was Indiana State (Larry Bird's school).

I'd love to know what other schools offered Leon Searcy back in the late '80's. I remember when I first heard his name. It was probably January one year, and long before the internet. Everything was newsletters or you could call 900 numbers to get the latest updates from Emfinger, Wallace, Buchalter, Lemming, etc.

I got all the newsletters knew all the big names.

One afternoon I get a call from a friend down in Miami. He had a commitment list that was non-public. He read the names: Miller, Golloher, Searcy and Hamlet. I was like, "Who? Who? Who?"

I never saw any of these names on lists. I was flabbergasted. It was Eric Miller, Marty Golloher, Leon Searcy Anthony Hamlet.

Three of the four ended up as starters on one of our NC teams. Golloher was the only one to do very little. Searcy went on to become an All-Pro with the Steelers. To this day, I don't know if he had any other major offers. He sure was not on any lists. So, you can say he was a no star.

And even if there is more pervasive scrutiny because of internet camps, etc. there are still so many schools and so many players that it is impossible to find them all unless they are going to major camps. Now that we offered, interest in this kid might very well pick up.

 

[bobbydigius]

Dont love the tape and he is not a 4 star kid but people forget when Chad Thomas committed to us last spring/summer he was a 3 *. I just hope the coaches are good in their projections and these kids blow up their senior year.

Just stop, maybe your thinking Rudolph, Chad was never a three star.

 

[TheMatador]

Take everything into consideration when analyzing a recruit. His tape is okay. He isn't necessarily exploding off the ball in run blocking and he isn't driving kids back on contact. He is locking up and then driving, which is fine for 250 lbs line men in Pennsylvania, but that **** ain't gonna work on Mario Edwards and Andrew Brown. You can't let seeing him drive high school kids into the ground make you believe he is a beast. Watch his initial contact and his feet. Not all that great. The good news is we run a zone scheme, so one on one vertical drive blocking is not as important. He's not ranked on most sites, telling me that 1) no one regionally really knows about this kid 2) he hasn't done camps 3) there is no opinion on him. If he was a high valued recruit, there would be an opinion. Silver lining is OL is the one position that I'm not too worried about rankings. Non-ranked or low ranked OL make it all the time. Finally, his offers. He doesn't have an offer from a major PA school like PSU or Pitt. Schools that recruit the NE hard like OSU, Rutgers, UVa, ND...nope. He has a BC offer, which is encouraging, but I'm of the school of thought that if we are going out of state this early, he needs to be a highly ranked or highly coveted player. Otherwise, if we are going to take project/diamond in the rough kids in March, we should take So Fl Kids. Congrats on your commitment.

His HS coach says PSU has been talking to him very recently. The coach expects him to get up to 290-295 by August and thinks his recruitment will take off. The coach describes his league as an eastern "Ivy League" of HS football. I guess mostly preps and privates. (When I say preps I don't mean a Fork Union which is more remedial, but a traditional academically elite prep school). The coach says the kids from that league don't attrack a lot of attention. I don't know, maybe it's like that Hun school in Princeton.

All I've got to say is the coaches must see something and it involves coaches many believe can recognize talent, including Coley and Kehoe.

 

[HighSeas]

wow 7 pages of *****y posts about star rankings. Is this real life?

Do you guys let food critics decide what tastes good? Why bother watching movies when you can just read how many stars the film got in the newspaper? Why watch NFL games when you can read the Pro Bowl roster and know that Antonio Cromartie is a shutdown corner (hint: he's the opposite)?

In reality the star rating tells you nothing about a player other than to give a general probability about how their career will play out. If you watch the film and do your own evals you can get much more specific information. Remember that NFL scouts treat the college recruiting databases like a massive joke because they overrate and overlook players so frequently.