NCAA wrote letter to judge to get Shapiro lighter sentence

[Dan E. Dangerously]

This whole mess, from the day the Yahoo! story first broke to today, reads like a ******* game of Mad Libs.

 

[NoahZach]

With the spotlight on, no way Enforcement can rely on anything Shapiro says without REAL independent corroboration. The NCAA -- long before it could evaluate and confirm Shapiro's veracity -- went to bat for him in federal court at his sentencing hearing. It follows that Nevin had all the motivation in the world to trump up allegations as quid pro quo for the NCAA's help in reducing his sentence. LULZ.

THIS AND ONLY THIS

I understand the thought process but Shapiro had to fully understand that the NCAA COULDN'T help him in getting a lighter sentence.

Now what he did understand was that he could utilize the NCAA to go after Miami in a very public manner and he also understood that by lying to the NCAA it would have zero effect on his sentence coming from his criminal conviction.

One has nothing to do with the other here.

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Shapiro did not "only" utilize the NCAA to get his message out and try to take down Miami and did receive other benefits. Whether it is effective or not, the existence of the letter proves that Shapiro also used the NCAA, along with others that submitted letters on his behalf, to speak for him in connection with his sentencing. In fact, he also used the NCAA to get some cash into his prison account, get access to a cell phone and pay some of his attorney's fees--and those are just the benefits we know about.

The amazing thing in all of this is that the NCAA actually did any of it. Add the NCAA to the list of Shapiro's victims.

Con man gon' con.

 

[Lifelongcane]

With the spotlight on, no way Enforcement can rely on anything Shapiro says without REAL independent corroboration. The NCAA -- long before it could evaluate and confirm Shapiro's veracity -- went to bat for him in federal court at his sentencing hearing. It follows that Nevin had all the motivation in the world to trump up allegations as quid pro quo for the NCAA's help in reducing his sentence. LULZ.

THIS AND ONLY THIS

I understand the thought process but Shapiro had to fully understand that the NCAA COULDN'T help him in getting a lighter sentence.

Now what he did understand was that he could utilize the NCAA to go after Miami in a very public manner and he also understood that by lying to the NCAA it would have zero effect on his sentence coming from his criminal conviction.

One has nothing to do with the other here.

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

 

[Harrisonford]

THIS AND ONLY THIS

I understand the thought process but Shapiro had to fully understand that the NCAA COULDN'T help him in getting a lighter sentence.

Now what he did understand was that he could utilize the NCAA to go after Miami in a very public manner and he also understood that by lying to the NCAA it would have zero effect on his sentence coming from his criminal conviction.

One has nothing to do with the other here.

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

The false assumption with this ******* is he assumes he knows what SHAPIRO and not the JUDGE wanted. He has no idea what Shapiro's plans were. Sure, he can look at a judge's role in listening to witnesses to give a more lenient sentence, but there is a reason that the convicted bring up friends and family members: to try and persuade the judge for a lighter sentence. If the judge wants to take that into consideration, that is on him. But the motive of all the convicted criminals seems to be the same, persuade the judge for a lighter sentence through friends and family.

He contradicted his own theory with his own bull****.

 

[DMoney]

A couple things:

- The current NCAA staffer I mentioned who is CC'ed is Susan Collie. She's a secretary, so it's not a smoking gun like Emmert's name. All this shows is that the letter remained in the NCAA's files.

- The Miami New Times is preparing a hatchet job on former NCAA Assistant Director of Enforcement Richard Johanningmeier, the guy who facilitated the phone calls with Shapiro.

 

[nadiamufdi]

A couple things:

- The current NCAA staffer I mentioned who is CC'ed is Susan Collie. She's a secretary, so it's not a smoking gun like Emmert's name. All this shows is that the letter remained in the NCAA's files.

- The Miami New Times is preparing a hatchet job on former NCAA Assistant Director of Enforcement Richard Johanningmeier, the guy who facilitated the phone calls with Shapiro.

Great news on the second part D$. Looking forward to that piece

 

[RiDLer80]

A couple things:

- The current NCAA staffer I mentioned who is CC'ed is Susan Collie. She's a secretary, so it's not a smoking gun like Emmert's name. All this shows is that the letter remained in the NCAA's files.

- The Miami New Times is preparing a hatchet job on former NCAA Assistant Director of Enforcement Richard Johanningmeier, the guy who facilitated the phone calls with Shapiro.

How high up is this guy?

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

A couple things:

- The current NCAA staffer I mentioned who is CC'ed is Susan Collie. She's a secretary, so it's not a smoking gun like Emmert's name. All this shows is that the letter remained in the NCAA's files.

- The Miami New Times is preparing a hatchet job on former NCAA Assistant Director of Enforcement Richard Johanningmeier, the guy who facilitated the phone calls with Shapiro.

timeframe?

 

[dycane]

With the spotlight on, no way Enforcement can rely on anything Shapiro says without REAL independent corroboration. The NCAA -- long before it could evaluate and confirm Shapiro's veracity -- went to bat for him in federal court at his sentencing hearing. It follows that Nevin had all the motivation in the world to trump up allegations as quid pro quo for the NCAA's help in reducing his sentence. LULZ.

THIS AND ONLY THIS

I understand the thought process but Shapiro had to fully understand that the NCAA COULDN'T help him in getting a lighter sentence.

Now what he did understand was that he could utilize the NCAA to go after Miami in a very public manner and he also understood that by lying to the NCAA it would have zero effect on his sentence coming from his criminal conviction.

One has nothing to do with the other here.

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

I also do "this" for a living. But that's about where our similarities end (assuming you in fact practice law, which is questionable based on your dearth of reading comprehension and anemic logic).

I challenge you to show where I took the stance that the NCAA would have any influence on Sh*thead's sentencing. I said that the NCAA -- at least ostensibly -- tried to when it went to bat for Sh*tpiro. To borrow a phrase from your unintelligible post -- one has nothing to do with the other here. The point is not whether or not the submission of the letter would have (or could have) any impact at the sentencing phase. Rather, the point is that the NCAA submitted a letter (with Sh*thead's approval and knowledge) wherein it, at least impliedly, vouched for this ponzi-scheming fraudster long before it had ANY opportunity to evaluate his credibility.

That fact belies the NCAA's position that the taint is limited to Pee Wee's excised testimony. That fact further -- if not absolutely -- undermines the fairness and objectivity of the investigation, as it shows that the NCAA was predisposed to believe anything this guy said. In other words (because I know you're a bit slow), the NCAA gave a world-class confidence man the benefit of the doubt from the beginning.

And to finally land the plane here, the fact that Nevin submitted the NCAA's letter at that juncture provides a clear basis for UM to argue that he had every reason to trump up claims against UM because he wanted the NCAA to support his efforts to reduce his sentence (which the NCAA attempted to do -- there is no other reason to submit the letter). Whether that was possible was never the point, and nowhere in any of my posts will you find any statement that even tangentially suggests as much. Back to the kids' table, Ace.

 

[SFbayCane]

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[UMcanesfan420]

ITT dycane owns douchebags.


Anyone seen Dapper lately. I'd like to see his thoughts on this letter issue.

 

[RiDLer80]

dy took the words right out of my mouth.

My work here is done.

 

[texacane]

Dycane, you are IMO right onto ground zero in this whole mess... you wrote


And to finally land the plane here, the fact that Nevin submitted the NCAA's letter at that juncture provides a clear basis for UM to argue that he had every reason to trump up claims against UM because he wanted the NCAA to support his efforts to reduce his sentence (which the NCAA attempted to do -- there is no other reason to submit the letter). Whether that was possible was never the point, and nowhere in any of my posts will you find any statement that even tangentially suggests as much. Back to the kids' table, Ace.


That's the point, not that Nevin always lies...rather, he has lots, and lots, and lots of reasons to exaggerate and that's exactly what he did! We argue: the best falsehoods are always rooted in some truth.

We argue the U has already identified some impermissible benefits, and we've already appropriately sanction ourselves...we didn't skate, we accepted proper punishment.

but the remainder of concerns raised by shapiro's uncorroborated claims cannot be worthy of belief because he had every reason to exaggerate (or outright lie) and a large number of reasons he had to exaggerate and lie came from the unethical behavior of the NCAA in the investigation, in giving shapiro benefits in exchange for his "testimony", kinda like more testimony (more exaggeration)means more benefits.

Shapiro said "millions in benefits" the NCAA worked that down to like $170K, with the corroboration that shapiro said the same thig twice: once in exchange for the sentencing letter, twice in exchange for the commisary contributions.....Oh please.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

I understand the thought process but Shapiro had to fully understand that the NCAA COULDN'T help him in getting a lighter sentence.

Now what he did understand was that he could utilize the NCAA to go after Miami in a very public manner and he also understood that by lying to the NCAA it would have zero effect on his sentence coming from his criminal conviction.

One has nothing to do with the other here.

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

The false assumption with this ******* is he assumes he knows what SHAPIRO and not the JUDGE wanted. He has no idea what Shapiro's plans were. Sure, he can look at a judge's role in listening to witnesses to give a more lenient sentence, but there is a reason that the convicted bring up friends and family members: to try and persuade the judge for a lighter sentence. If the judge wants to take that into consideration, that is on him. But the motive of all the convicted criminals seems to be the same, persuade the judge for a lighter sentence through friends and family.

He contradicted his own theory with his own bull****.

Ok, again, Federal Judges NEVER listen to the arguments of friends of the convicted. Yes, they verbally hear them, but they put zero into what is actually said. I have been doing federal cases a long time and I can tell you that no friends of Shapiro would have any positive affect on his sentencing hearing. The NCAA had ZERO to offer up the judge in the way a cooperator would get by assisting actual law enforcement. Hence the idea that the NCAA is nothing more than a useless friend to Shapiro in their attempt to sway the judge. I am not guessing when I tell you that Shapiro already knew this. You are assuming that I am assuming, I am not. My community is a very small one. Shapiro utilized the NCAA to carry out the death sentence against Miami and he KNEW that if he lied to them it would carry zero consequences.

The NCAA investigators think they are on par with actual law enforcement and should be on the same playing field with the same respect. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this guy wrote a letter on behalf of Shapiro. They were absolutely way out of their league by jumping in the bed with this felon. There is nothing they can do to Shapiro for his lies and false allegations as they are nothing more than NCAA investigators. He took advantage of the stage they affored him and now they are paying the price.

I am not attempting to be an a-hole here, however, to have posters throw stuff out there that is 100% wrong and then push it off as some grand idea is ludicrous. One should at least want to know the facts and not fantasy land type stuff.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

A letter from the NCAA certainly didn't hurt Shapiro at sentencing.

 

[CandyCane]

http://ncaainjustice.com/blog/ncaas-miami-fiasco-features-familiar-names

 

[Gennaker Cane]

Please stay out of the big boy conversations on this board. You disrupt the flow. I've read all 8 of your posts. And there's a common theme.

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

The false assumption with this ******* is he assumes he knows what SHAPIRO and not the JUDGE wanted. He has no idea what Shapiro's plans were. Sure, he can look at a judge's role in listening to witnesses to give a more lenient sentence, but there is a reason that the convicted bring up friends and family members: to try and persuade the judge for a lighter sentence. If the judge wants to take that into consideration, that is on him. But the motive of all the convicted criminals seems to be the same, persuade the judge for a lighter sentence through friends and family.

He contradicted his own theory with his own bull****.

Ok, again, Federal Judges NEVER listen to the arguments of friends of the convicted. Yes, they verbally hear them, but they put zero into what is actually said. I have been doing federal cases a long time and I can tell you that no friends of Shapiro would have any positive affect on his sentencing hearing. The NCAA had ZERO to offer up the judge in the way a cooperator would get by assisting actual law enforcement. Hence the idea that the NCAA is nothing more than a useless friend to Shapiro in their attempt to sway the judge. I am not guessing when I tell you that Shapiro already knew this. You are assuming that I am assuming, I am not. My community is a very small one. Shapiro utilized the NCAA to carry out the death sentence against Miami and he KNEW that if he lied to them it would carry zero consequences.

The NCAA investigators think they are on par with actual law enforcement and should be on the same playing field with the same respect. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this guy wrote a letter on behalf of Shapiro. They were absolutely way out of their league by jumping in the bed with this felon. There is nothing they can do to Shapiro for his lies and false allegations as they are nothing more than NCAA investigators. He took advantage of the stage they affored him and now they are paying the price.

I am not attempting to be an a-hole here, however, to have posters throw stuff out there that is 100% wrong and then push it off as some grand idea is ludicrous. One should at least want to know the facts and not fantasy land type stuff.

It in fact didn't help Shapiro, as my understanding is that his sentence was longer than what the AUSA requested. But I would never use the word "all" with federal judges. There are way too many out there who don't fit into any stereotypes. They SHOULDN'T ever listen to the people you're talking about, but I bet some do. Not mentioning names, but there are a couple my way who I would bet have listened to the convict's family members more than once while sentencing.

 

[The Franchise]

Considering I do this for a living, I'm not going to take this opportunity to embarrass you on your stance that the NCAA could have any potential influence on the sentencing of Shapiro over issues that involve the NCAA and potential non criminal matters/infractions. Because if that were the case then there would have been actual criminal matters discussed, possibly uncovered, and most importantly, INVESTIGATED by actual law enforcement. And if that were to have happened here, my guess is that the sht storm hanging over the head of the athletic department would be a true sht storm.

Then and only THEN, after arrests were made in a situation like this, would Shapiro receive credit for assisting law enforcement and reaping that benefit at sentencing. So considering the fact that none of that has actually happened, the NCAA is akin to a really good friend of Shapiro begging for leniency from a Federal Judge who NEVER takes into account the friends, or for the matter, the family of the convicted during the determination of sentencing.

And like I stated earlier, Shapiro was well aware of this and ONLY utilized the NCAA to get his message out loud and clear FULLY knowing the ONLY benefit he would receive via the NCAA is one of taking down Miami.

But please, continue on with your hypothesis.

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

The false assumption with this ******* is he assumes he knows what SHAPIRO and not the JUDGE wanted. He has no idea what Shapiro's plans were. Sure, he can look at a judge's role in listening to witnesses to give a more lenient sentence, but there is a reason that the convicted bring up friends and family members: to try and persuade the judge for a lighter sentence. If the judge wants to take that into consideration, that is on him. But the motive of all the convicted criminals seems to be the same, persuade the judge for a lighter sentence through friends and family.

He contradicted his own theory with his own bull****.

Ok, again, Federal Judges NEVER listen to the arguments of friends of the convicted. Yes, they verbally hear them, but they put zero into what is actually said. I have been doing federal cases a long time and I can tell you that no friends of Shapiro would have any positive affect on his sentencing hearing. The NCAA had ZERO to offer up the judge in the way a cooperator would get by assisting actual law enforcement. Hence the idea that the NCAA is nothing more than a useless friend to Shapiro in their attempt to sway the judge. I am not guessing when I tell you that Shapiro already knew this. You are assuming that I am assuming, I am not. My community is a very small one. Shapiro utilized the NCAA to carry out the death sentence against Miami and he KNEW that if he lied to them it would carry zero consequences.

The NCAA investigators think they are on par with actual law enforcement and should be on the same playing field with the same respect. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this guy wrote a letter on behalf of Shapiro. They were absolutely way out of their league by jumping in the bed with this felon. There is nothing they can do to Shapiro for his lies and false allegations as they are nothing more than NCAA investigators. He took advantage of the stage they affored him and now they are paying the price.

I am not attempting to be an a-hole here, however, to have posters throw stuff out there that is 100% wrong and then push it off as some grand idea is ludicrous. One should at least want to know the facts and not fantasy land type stuff.

It in fact didn't help Shapiro, as my understanding is that his sentence was longer than what the AUSA requested. But I would never use the word "all" with federal judges. There are way too many out there who don't fit into any stereotypes. They SHOULDN'T ever listen to the people you're talking about, but I bet some do. Not mentioning names, but there are a couple my way who I would bet have listened to the convict's family members more than once while sentencing.

On top of all that, the ncaa came at this different than sh1tzero's "friend" or a family member. They vouched for him like a friend, but they also noted that he could have a job with them. The job angle is what takes this out of the realm of the normal friend testifying for a defendant to get his sentence reduced. Dear Judge, please consider a reduced sentence because Mr. Sh1tzero can be a productive member of society and will have work with the ncaa as a consultant. See how that's different than "Dear Judge, my son's a good boy, and he just made a mistake. Please don't sentence him too harshly because I'll miss him."

I'm surprised that a guy as smart as DCDogNuts thinks he is can't comprehend that subtle difference.

 

[Ethnicsands]

[/B]

Exhibit A on why attorneys are, without exception, as$,,,,holes

The false assumption with this ******* is he assumes he knows what SHAPIRO and not the JUDGE wanted. He has no idea what Shapiro's plans were. Sure, he can look at a judge's role in listening to witnesses to give a more lenient sentence, but there is a reason that the convicted bring up friends and family members: to try and persuade the judge for a lighter sentence. If the judge wants to take that into consideration, that is on him. But the motive of all the convicted criminals seems to be the same, persuade the judge for a lighter sentence through friends and family.

He contradicted his own theory with his own bull****.

Ok, again, Federal Judges NEVER listen to the arguments of friends of the convicted. Yes, they verbally hear them, but they put zero into what is actually said. I have been doing federal cases a long time and I can tell you that no friends of Shapiro would have any positive affect on his sentencing hearing. The NCAA had ZERO to offer up the judge in the way a cooperator would get by assisting actual law enforcement. Hence the idea that the NCAA is nothing more than a useless friend to Shapiro in their attempt to sway the judge. I am not guessing when I tell you that Shapiro already knew this. You are assuming that I am assuming, I am not. My community is a very small one. Shapiro utilized the NCAA to carry out the death sentence against Miami and he KNEW that if he lied to them it would carry zero consequences.

The NCAA investigators think they are on par with actual law enforcement and should be on the same playing field with the same respect. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this guy wrote a letter on behalf of Shapiro. They were absolutely way out of their league by jumping in the bed with this felon. There is nothing they can do to Shapiro for his lies and false allegations as they are nothing more than NCAA investigators. He took advantage of the stage they affored him and now they are paying the price.

I am not attempting to be an a-hole here, however, to have posters throw stuff out there that is 100% wrong and then push it off as some grand idea is ludicrous. One should at least want to know the facts and not fantasy land type stuff.

It in fact didn't help Shapiro, as my understanding is that his sentence was longer than what the AUSA requested. But I would never use the word "all" with federal judges. There are way too many out there who don't fit into any stereotypes. They SHOULDN'T ever listen to the people you're talking about, but I bet some do. Not mentioning names, but there are a couple my way who I would bet have listened to the convict's family members more than once while sentencing.

On top of all that, the ncaa came at this different than sh1tzero's "friend" or a family member. They vouched for him like a friend, but they also noted that he could have a job with them. The job angle is what takes this out of the realm of the normal friend testifying for a defendant to get his sentence reduced. Dear Judge, please consider a reduced sentence because Mr. Sh1tzero can be a productive member of society and will have work with the ncaa as a consultant. See how that's different than "Dear Judge, my son's a good boy, and he just made a mistake. Please don't sentence him too harshly because I'll miss him."

I'm surprised that a guy as smart as DCDogNuts thinks he is can't comprehend that subtle difference.

In fairness to dognuts, not everyone is fortunate enough to be as smart as they think they are.

 

[MedleyCane]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/09/3277011/fred-grimm-the-ncaa-had-big-plans.html