My conversation with a UM AD staffer

[Hurracanes]

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

The University of Miami isn't a soup kitchen. There are plenty of places for kids from those environments to get a free college education.

If you truly cared about the plight of Miami-Dade teenagers, you would be arguing for ALL kids from tough neighborhoods to get into UM, not just the football players. Don't get all bleeding heart on us when the reality is that you don't care about the dumb football players any more than UM does. You just want to win games at any cost.

Really?

 

[FullyERicht]

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen a couple football players who could barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. They rarely came to class, rarely did of their work. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level and put them in remedial classes...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

Ah so now it makes sense. You are a college professor who couldn't stomach your precious English class having to pass through some football players. Football players aren't there to pass your **** class, and English majors aren't there to play a sport. Get off your high ****ig horse.

 

[Storm Warning]

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen a couple football players who could barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. They rarely came to class, rarely did of their work. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level and put them in remedial classes...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

Ah so now it makes sense. You are a college professor who couldn't stomach your precious English class having to pass through some football players. Football players aren't there to pass your **** class, and English majors aren't there to play a sport. Get off your high ****ig horse.

High horse for doing his job? That's a bit of a stretch.

 

[Canesnation40]

We have to quit this crap about academic standards. The problem is development, our weight room (S&C), we aren't getting top tier QB's. I don't care about a five or four star. RG3 and Luck were three stars. Russell Wilson was a two star. Calvin "Megatron" Johnson was a four star. I don't give a **** about stars. All I care about is watching the film. Looking at tools, Football IQ, skills, movement, transferable skills and what not.

We have did okay. Harris was an average QB. Morris is a solid one. Wright, Williams, and some others have been trash. We need to at least get a draftable QB for our offense.

 

[FullyERicht]

We have to quit this crap about academic standards. The problem is development, our weight room (S&C), we aren't getting top tier QB's. I don't care about a five or four star. RG3 and Luck were three stars. Russell Wilson was a two star. Calvin "Megatron" Johnson was a four star. I don't give a **** about stars. All I care about is watching the film. Looking at tools, Football IQ, skills, movement, transferable skills and what not.

We have did okay. Harris was an average QB. Morris is a solid one. Wright, Williams, and some others have been trash. We need to at least get a draftable QB for our offense.

Yea, I'm going to trust the opinion of a guy who says "we have did ok"

 

[SFbayCane]

Showers,
Tone it down, will ya.

Its just folks talking on a message board. Its okay to allow someone to post and opinion that you dont agree with without going hard at them.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen a couple football players who could barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. They rarely came to class, rarely did of their work. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

negged for not failing every football player that took a class from you!



j/k

 

[passitback]

Blame the parents. When kids are illiterate, can't count, and/or are numerous grade levels behind their peers, you must look at the parents first.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Blame the parents. When kids are illiterate, can't count, and/or are numerous grade levels behind their peers, you must look at the parents first.

That's fine, but we aren't dealing with the parents. There is nothing UM can do about that. It's beyond the scope of a discussion on academic requirements.

If UM wants to procure the best football prospects, they should get in step with the vast majority of 1-FBS programs, and use the NCAA minimums. Right now I think UM is sort of standing in no man's land. We probably miss on at least a few top guys every year because of the difference in UM and NCAA minimums. I believe you only have to lose a couple a year to make a difference in your roster. Obviously, I can't prove that since the kids will not be identified. But, it makes sense that we are missing out on some guys.

As for the APR and GSR, you can get almost anyone a degree if the institution wants it to happen. They can hand hold kids academically from start to finish. It only take a commitment by the university and a willingness on the kid's part. I'm talking about committed, vigorous academic support, not cheating. I mean, we are talking about football here, not academic whiz kids. If that's hypocrisy (it is), it's no more than what's already going on. Do we want to compete with the best or not? If you want to compete, don't tie one hand behind your back.

 

[passitback]

Blame the parents. When kids are illiterate, can't count, and/or are numerous grade levels behind their peers, you must look at the parents first.

That's fine, but we aren't dealing with the parents. There is nothing UM can do about that. It's beyond the scope of a discussion on academic requirements.

If UM wants to procure the best football prospects, they should get in step with the vast majority of 1-FBS programs, and use the NCAA minimums. Right now I think UM is sort of standing in no man's land. We probably miss on at least a few top guys every year because of the difference in UM and NCAA minimums. I believe you only have to lose a couple a year to make a difference in your roster. Obviously, I can't prove that since the kids will not be identified. But, it makes sense that we are missing out on some guys.

As for the APR and GSR, you can get almost anyone a degree if the institution wants it to happen. They can hand hold kids academically from start to finish. It only take a commitment by the university and a willingness on the kid's part. I'm talking about committed, vigorous academic support, not cheating. I mean, we are talking about football here, not academic whiz kids. If that's hypocrisy (it is), it's no more than what's already going on. Do we want to compete with the best or not? If you ant to compete, don't tie one hand behind your back.

Apologies for not being clearer.

When a recruit does not make it in due to grades, we ought to blame the parents of that recruit, not the admissions dept.

I hear you on "whiz kids" and tempering expectations. After all, they are football players, and I'd imagine 95% can't sniff UM without their athletic abilities. So, intensive support should be offered.

My gripe that relates to the university is rooted in admissions policies: players that get in UM vs. another university. That needs to change.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Apologies for not being clearer.

When a recruit does not make it in due to grades, we ought to blame the parents of that recruit, not the admissions dept.

I hear you on "whiz kids" and tempering expectations. After all, they are football players, and I'd imagine 95% can't sniff UM without their athletic abilities. So, intensive support should be offered.

My gripe that relates to the university is rooted in admissions policies: players that get in UM vs. another university. That needs to change.

I agree.

 

[CaneHammer]

Why not admit on the same level of the bamas, gaytors, and fsu? It was said above. But if the local football players can get into the other places but not here, that is where you get the sentiment of being "too good". And a few "athletes" getting into the school is not going to hurt the prestige of the school. Bottom line: How competitive do you want to be?

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen a couple football players who could barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. They rarely came to class, rarely did of their work. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level and put them in remedial classes...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

Ah so now it makes sense. You are a college professor who couldn't stomach your precious English class having to pass through some football players. Football players aren't there to pass your **** class, and English majors aren't there to play a sport. Get off your high ****ig horse.

LMAO...this is just silly. I hope you're joking, but I'm pretty sure you're not.

Look, chief...if a kid wants to pass a class, they have to do the work. It doesn't matter if the kid plays football, or is in the marching band, or whatever. If that kid chooses not to show up to class, not to read the assignments, not to write the papers, not to show up for scheduled conferences....that kid isn't going to pass. It's not the teacher's responsibility to give some kid a passing grade just because folks like you want to live vicariously through his ability to play football.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen football players who can barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

I do not know what part of Florida you grew up in but i seriously doubt it is as bad as some South Florida neighborhoods, especially the ones in the city. Many of these kids come from broken homes, uneducated parents, violent neighborhoods, and schools where many teachers do not give a **** about them. You're right, many of these kids do not care about school, but not because they are lazy but because they were never raised to make school a priority. Football came first. You would feel entitled too if you were treated like a king since Pop Warner and were never pushed to work hard in anything else but football. So when I hear an adult, especially a former teacher, say "*****" the kids, I have a serious problem with that. You were not saying ***** these kids when they were winning the University of Miami championships.

Back up a step, big guy.

I did not say "***** the kids." I said ***** the selfish South Florida coaches and the silly little pimps and hustlers, like Ice Harris' and Uncle Luke. These idiots think that UM should be their own minor league football program, and they act all offended and make a big stink any time some So Fla kid can't get into UM. They use these kids for their own glory, to further their own agenda. If they truly cared in any way, they'd urge the kids to get the work done in the classroom. But they don't care about the kids, and they don't care about UM. They don't care whether these kids have the academic ability to make it at UM...they just want to live vicariously through the kids, and through UM football, since they themselves were never good enough to walk out of that tunnel and onto the OB field as players. Unfortunately, it seems like you're OK with that; you think UM should bow to their every desire and play their stupid little games.

Here's what it boils down to: if a kid has always put football first and does not have the basic aptitude to meet the minimum requirements to get into UM, he shouldn't be at UM. There are always exceptions, and UM can and does make exceptions on a case-by-case basis. But there is no reason for UM to lower its requirements any further than they already are.

 

[SolidCane]

It's the difference of having several Stacy Coleys joining your roster every year to just being able to admit one.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

It's the difference of having several Stacy Coleys joining your roster every year to just being able to admit one.

Not really.

 

[SolidCane]

It's the difference of having several Stacy Coleys joining your roster every year to just being able to admit one.

Not really.

Yes really.

UM admissions, or should I say the Administrators in the Athletic dept don't just turn kids away because of grades.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

"We don't want to compromise our ethics for sports"

And you expect us to win?

Classic case of blaming the administration. Why don't you put the onus on the kid, to get his/her s*** together? Stop giving these kids a pass. If they focus on the school work instead of madden and twitter, it would not be an issue.