My conversation with a UM AD staffer

[DC Dog Nuts]

Another one of "these" guys on here.....

Here was my phone call to a UM football HOFer yesterday morning.

"Man, UM sucks dude".

"Yep, and it aint gettin better anytime soon."

The end.

 

[numbers]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

 

[supacane]

Teams win with way less talent. We are tripping about recruiting because our coaches are incompetent. Quite simple. U look at Baylor and ok st, schools like that feed on left overs and still beat Texas and OU. Quit making excuses. We don't have the best run athletic program but that has always been that way. One more way to absolve blame from Golden and co. Because as we all know they need the perfect conditions to win a football game against a team with a pulse.

 

[supacane]

Btw where are these kids that got away because of admissions and not have to go to prep and/or marshall?

 

[NoahZach]

Teams win with way less talent. We are tripping about recruiting because our coaches are incompetent. Quite simple. U look at Baylor and ok st, schools like that feed on left overs and still beat Texas and OU. Quit making excuses. We don't have the best run athletic program but that has always been that way. One more way to absolve blame from Golden and co. Because as we all know they need the perfect conditions to win a football game against a team with a pulse.

I agree with a lot of the issues identified in this thread, but this really is the bottom line. We've dealt with these circumstances for a long time and, to my recollection, never had a defense surrendering 500 yards of offense to its opponents on a weekly basis and allowing average teams to regularly have their best offensive performances of the season against us.

The issues explain some things and may be food for thought when folks want to overly criticize the staff on a case-by-case basis. But, they don't address and certainly don't excuse all of our performance issues.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Btw where are these kids that got away because of admissions and not have to go to prep and/or marshall?

Nobody is going to tell you that. UM can't say "we stopped recruiting player X because he can't qualify here". The also can't say "player X de-commited because he can't qualify here". You can't mention a recruit's name until he signs a LOI with you. And, the kids don't hold up their hands and say "Hey, I can't qualify at UM". They just quietly go somewhere else. Usually they with voice some other concern (respect, playing time, whatever). They aren't likely to mention academics. That's the problem. No one is going to officially identify those kids.

The only people we know of who are academic no go, are the ones who go to prep, JUCO, or Marshall (as a non-qualifier)

 

[Dingaan1828]

Not sure if all of this is true, I was certain we didn't use the sliding scale at all, but then again the method they use we might as well not. The program is pretty much done now. It's sad, and I certainly won't be paying for the school to build fancy stuff and then not allow kids in and not hire good staff. Makes no sense. If you knew you had no chance of winning, would you bother following the team?

IIRC, UM allows kids on the sliding scale down to a certain point. I wanna say like 850 minimum SAT score (on the older, 2 part test). So at some point, no matter what your GPA is, if you dont get an 850 on the SAT, they wont admit you. Again, working from memory here, which has its challenges at my age, but I believe that is or was the case.

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/48935-UM-Academic-Requirements-amp-Recruiting-Dates

UM uses 820, and 2.5 as minimums. If you look at the sliding scale, that eliminates everything on the sliding scale that goes below either of those requirements (everything actually). So, UM does not use the sliding scale. What misleads people is the fact that the 2.5 and 820 do appear on the scale. That doesn't mean that they use part of it. Just go up and down the scale and you'll see what I mean.

 

[whoopingcane]

Funny, no one at the University has responded to any of my numerous emails.

 

[Gamineal]

Funny, no one at the University has responded to any of my numerous emails.

well you cant start with Listen you *****..

 

[Dingaan1828]

Funny, no one at the University has responded to any of my numerous emails.

well you cant start with Listen you *****..

What? That's not a standard salutation?

 

[Jassid82]

Count me in the group that thinks Butch didnt have it this hard admissions wise when he was here. I think our admissions standards got stricter in the mid 2000s. Butch even alluded to the fact that our admissions standards would be our eventual downfall right before he left for the Browns. I dont have a link but I remember that like it was yesterday and I didnt know what he meant at the time. I do now. Losing guys because of admissions is part of the reason this program is dying. Not the sole reason but part of.

 

[pbcup]

I believe the NCAA minimum will be increasing beginning with the 2016 class. If I'm reading this correctly, in order to compete as a freshman, you'll need a 2.3 GPA with the same corresponding test score. If you have a 2.0-2.299, with slightly increased test scores on the bottom end, you can practice but you'll have to sit your freshman year. This may close the small gap between Miami standards and the NCAA.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet.pdf

 

[FullyERicht]

I believe the NCAA minimum will be increasing beginning with the 2016 class. If I'm reading this correctly, in order to compete as a freshman, you'll need a 2.3 GPA with the same corresponding test score. If you have a 2.0-2.299, with slightly increased test scores on the bottom end, you can practice but you'll have to sit your freshman year. This may close the small gap between Miami standards and the NCAA.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet.pdf

Lmfao that's a 10 point test difference, and only at the very lowest end does it start. The NCAA was thinking about hard capping, but coaches like Nick Saban complained.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

 

[SFbayCane]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

ARe you the same poster whose screen name used to be all of the former UM QB's jersey numbers? If so, welcome!! I've been hoping you would make your way to this site.

 

[sebastian91]

Correct me if Im wrong but, didnt UM have a policy in place til about 2005 that didnt allow anyone to donate exclusively to the Athletic Department? All donations had to go to the university general fund and were allocated wherever UM management wanted that money to go. I could be wrong but I believe that was the case.

I don't believe this is the case. I have donated for 20+ years to the marine school specifically.

100% incorret. A donation to the Hurricane club supports athletics, you can direct your donation anywhere, by school, project, etc.

This is my understanding as well.

 

[FullyERicht]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

Which makes more sense: using the same methods to get kids in as every title winner of the last five years

Or the University somehow taking over the Miami-Dade, Broward, and WPB school systems and forcing communities to make their kids study

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

Which makes more sense: using the same methods to get kids in as every title winner of the last five years

Or the University somehow taking over the Miami-Dade, Broward, and WPB school systems and forcing communities to make their kids study

Dude, in reality you're talking about a <.10 or so difference in GPA, or a 10-20 pt difference in SAT scores. We're not talking about Harvard material here. If a kid can't be bothered to get a C average and an 850 or so on his SATs, he obviously just doesn't want to be at UM.

And besides, what happens when you take that kid who couldn't be bothered to get meet the minimum requirements and plop him in the middle of a freshman course at UM? He suffers. He can't handle it. So then you either continue the pattern of giving him passing grades even though he can't/doesn't earn the grade, or you fail him and he loses eligibility, drops out of school, etc.

 

[rsa coral gables]

do you think it appropriate or even wise to disclose an email that is probably considered private between the university and a booster?

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

Maybe I'm an outlier but I'd hate to think of these athletes getting pushed through and then having to navigate a UM scholarship while only able to read at an elementary level. I want to win as much as anyone but I want a degree from the University of Miami to actually mean something for these kids and their futures. Say what you want - I don't give a **** what you guys think. Just being honest.

I just can't support being a football factory like the other powerhouses. commence the insults.......