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My conversation with a UM AD staffer

The Franchise said:
We're not losing because we can't get great players admitted. We had the same standards in place when Butch stocked the cupboard with a million NFL Pro Bowlers. We're losing because we can't sign enough great players, and our corches suck on diarrhea popsicles.
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I'm not so sure about that. I think the standards changed in 2001.

I could be wrong, but either way I agree, its part of the problem. Development and identifying talent has been abysmal.
 
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kendallcanes said:
"We don't want to compromise our ethics for sports"

And you expect us to win?
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What a minute! Who's stupid face was smiling at the drawf's check? Football coach or the President of the University? And the nightmare Butch NCAA blows Butch have to take. Was that a football scandal or an administrator feeding his drug habit with Pell Grant kickbacks? This school administration has no ethics, and neither do most universities. These people are not noble educators of our youth. They are lazy money hungry blood suckers. Most professors at major universities never see a classroom. Grad students teach classes while professors "research" their next publication.

They make attorneys seem like saints. I would even trust a football coach before I would trust a university president. Look at OSU and PSU, their presidents were in the cover ups elbow deep. Granted OSU's was nothing compared to PSU but still. It is simple. All fans what is to win and really don't what is takes--at least I don't. All university presidents want is money, money and more money and don't care how they get it or where it comes from(see picture of Donna holding check). Who is lower life form? I'll take fans any day. We don't pretend to be something we are not. These administrators are just like politicians, behind the masks, they are merely freeloaders and thieves--lawful thieves, because they don't the guts to steal with a gun.

To this day I wish JJ had beat the living crap out of Foote and dragged him around greentree naked. I paid full tuition for my Doctorate from THE U, but the football team made it worth the money. We have had good swim, dive and tennis teams and even great baseball teams, but it is the old football teams that put value behind the degrees. That is a truth that just eats at people like Donna and her kind. They cannot stand being unimportant.
 
The Franchise said:
We're not losing because we can't get great players admitted. We had the same standards in place when Butch stocked the cupboard with a million NFL Pro Bowlers. We're losing because we can't sign enough great players, and our corches suck on diarrhea popsicles.
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Im gonna step in the ring against you here on this one. It's true we have the same standards as 94.....But if I am correct the rest of college football did as well: until the sliding scale policy. Now if a kid can't make our standards but can make Louisvilles bc Louisville uses the sliding scale, he aint gonna stick with us, or go to prep for us, or go to JUCO for us, or stop playing football. He'll go to Louisville and have a chip on his shoulder about how UM "didnt want him".
 
Bull**** Andre Johnson, Frank Gore and a lot of other players would have never been admitted under these standards today!!!!
 
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Gatorhater said:
kendallcanes said:
"We don't want to compromise our ethics for sports"

And you expect us to win?
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What a minute! Who's stupid face was smiling at the drawf's check? Football coach or the President of the University? And the nightmare Butch NCAA blows Butch have to take. Was that a football scandal or an administrator feeding his drug habit with Pell Grant kickbacks? This school administration has no ethics, and neither do most universities. These people are not noble educators of our youth. They are lazy money hungry blood suckers. Most professors at major universities never see a classroom. Grad students teach classes while professors "research" their next publication.

These administrators are just like politicians

And we have a politician who became an administrator....Yay for that.

To this day I wish JJ had beat the living crap out of Foote and dragged him around greentree naked. I paid full tuition for my Doctorate from THE U, but the football team made it worth the money. We have had good swim, dive and tennis teams and even great baseball teams, but it is the old football teams that put value behind the degrees. That is a truth that just eats at people like Donna and her kind. They cannot stand being unimportant.
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Also true
 
Palm Harbor Cane said:
Bull**** Andre Johnson, Frank Gore and a lot of other players would have never been admitted under these standards today!!!!
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I am not familiar with Andre Johnson's situation. Frank Gore had dyslexia, for which significant allowances are made not only for athletes, but also for "regular" students. Frank Gore might get into UM now because his condition does not necessarily indicate a lack of academic ability.
 
Palm Harbor Cane said:
Bull**** Andre Johnson, Frank Gore and a lot of other players would have never been admitted under these standards today!!!!
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were missing on way too many elite players in the area to blame it on academics. these kids didnt grow up with the U being dominant. think about how old they were when we won our last title? some kids do want to get away and i cant blame em bc most ppl want to get away from home and others want to go to a program that has been successful. right now FSU just won a national title and UF has won 2 since we last won. they remember those titles more than the ones we won. we need to start winning again for us to win some of these recruiting battles. cant keep selling kids the same BS and nothing improves.
 
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sebastian91 said:
SFbayCane said:
Correct me if Im wrong but, didnt UM have a policy in place til about 2005 that didnt allow anyone to donate exclusively to the Athletic Department? All donations had to go to the university general fund and were allocated wherever UM management wanted that money to go. I could be wrong but I believe that was the case.
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I don't believe this is the case. I have donated for 20+ years to the marine school specifically.
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I think the policy was merely that you could not donate specifically to the Athletic Department only. I remember Donna changing that after the bowl game loss to LSU. The hot button issue of the day was the subpar athletic facilities. IIRC that was the reason for the policy change.
 
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sebastian91 said:
SFbayCane said:
Correct me if Im wrong but, didnt UM have a policy in place til about 2005 that didnt allow anyone to donate exclusively to the Athletic Department? All donations had to go to the university general fund and were allocated wherever UM management wanted that money to go. I could be wrong but I believe that was the case.
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I don't believe this is the case. I have donated for 20+ years to the marine school specifically.
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100% incorret. A donation to the Hurricane club supports athletics, you can direct your donation anywhere, by school, project, etc.
 
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FlipT said:
Stop with the Stanford comparison! You are basically comparing California high schools to South Florida high schools.South Florida has some of the worse and when we go OOS to recruit the natives bash the school. Stanford also recruits nationally and wont get bashed because they're not in a recruiting hotbed.

http://www.gostanford.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&SPID=127013&SPSID=749928
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We shouldn't have to recruit away from S Florida. It's our backyard and the most fertile area nationally.

FSU, UF, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Louisville and a whole **** load of schools have no problem signing up kids we can't seem to get in.
 
SolidCane said:
FlipT said:
Stop with the Stanford comparison! You are basically comparing California high schools to South Florida high schools.South Florida has some of the worse and when we go OOS to recruit the natives bash the school. Stanford also recruits nationally and wont get bashed because they're not in a recruiting hotbed.

http://www.gostanford.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&SPID=127013&SPSID=749928
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We shouldn't have to recruit away from S Florida. It's our backyard and the most fertile area nationally.


FSU, UF, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Louisville and a whole **** load of schools have no problem signing up kids we can't seem to get in.
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Both true. The issue here is Stanford recruits nationally and really DOES NOT have a recruiting BASE. The school speaks for itself on an academic level, and now that Harbaugh built and Shaw has brilliantly continued the rise, they are where they want to be. Take their last 10 years however before the win over USC as 42 point dogs, and they were horrific. One HUGE win, one HUGE recruit in Luck and the program changed.

As for Miami and academics, true the school is a very good academic school, NOT on Stanfords level but very good, so the question is obviously Stanford WINS, why cant we?

Miami recruits South Florida, that is their base always has been always will be. School like NW, Central, Booker T, Edison, Norland, CC, NMB, Jackson, Homestead, etc have been getting worse and worse not in crime, but in academic statistics. These are D and F schools, their FCAT success is terrible comparative to what they should be. It is an apples and oranges comparison. Stanford plays a style of rugged in your face hard nose football with a few playmakers. Miami plays more of a finesse game with speed on the outside.

Stanford recruits a different player, mostly socioeconomically also. Very few kids coming from tough upbringings, Miami on the other hand, probably 60+% of the roster comes from a tough situation. Mike Smith this year perfect example, and I use him because he has his sh*t together and will make it in and be a stud, but his story is something not many of us can understand.

With all of this being said, Miami to a degree is at a disadvantage from the likes of Stanford and ND, due to similar academic standards, but the players they are recruiting and NEED, to be successful are not the same players those other schools mentioned NEED. The University IMO needs to understand its place and value to the South Florida community, and EMBRACE it. When the Canes are going good, South Florida is on the wagon 100%, waaaay more than the Phins or Heat. Miami Hurricanes football is South Florida, it is what brought the city together in the early 80's, and is the one entity that can be a fabric of continuity down there. I believe the University used the teams success to build its reputation and popularity around the country, and is now doing it "the program" a huge disservice by not giving it the full support that you and I know they can. There is plenty of $$$ that comes into that institution to make things better and Donna and the higher ups are not prioritizing football, (nor should they over other projects i.e. Medical school, and Marine research), but times have changed and they have the resources to keep up. Now it is TIME for them to utilize them, and EMBRACE the local community and accept some kids that need the University.
 
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I don't care about admission standards, facilities, or fundraisers.

All I want is a coach capable of constructing a team and leading them to victory (against good teams). Thats it.
 
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