My conversation with a UM AD staffer

[Copeseticman]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabama, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

Very good point!

 

[Notsince1985]

Who cares? We're a basketball school now

 

[Dash]

It was not a private email, there was no disclosure agreement or statement at the end saying these were private conversations. I chose to share b/c the University has been somewhat secretive about many aspects of the program, and I felt fans should know about new initiatives and old policies.

Secondly, I respect if people don't want it to be a football factory. I totally understand. But I would ask those who feel that way to consider the fact that if you want student-athletes to be kids who are UM caliber students, with legitimate degrees, then the program should simply admit students strictly based on academics, and if they can play a sport, that contributes to their financial aid. In other words, a kid with an 800 SAT and 2.5 average would not be admitted either.

The idea that a kid with a 2.8 gpa and a 600 SAT is being pushed through, but a kid with a 2.5 GPA and an 800 SAT is not, is frankly silly (to me). All football players in division 1 BCS schools are pushed through. If they weren't gifted athletes, the majority of BCS level kids wouldn't be accepted to these universities. Having "higher standards" than the NCAA minimum only means anything if those standards are equivalent to those of the average student. Anything else is just window dressing.

If you really support education first, how can you justify accepting kids just bc they play football? If you really support education first, email the university and tell them you want UM sports programs filled only with "regular" students. Of course Miami would never do that, b/c it would mean we wouldn't be able to field division 1 level sports anymore, which would mean a complete shutdown of our athletics programs.

I find it very unlikely that UMs "ethics and morals" when it comes to academics would stop them from taking an 18 million dollar a year check that the ACC gives them.

 

[capefearcane]

Correct me if Im wrong but, didnt UM have a policy in place til about 2005 that didnt allow anyone to donate exclusively to the Athletic Department? All donations had to go to the university general fund and were allocated wherever UM management wanted that money to go. I could be wrong but I believe that was the case.

Not true,, you can direct your donations to wherever you want - now a specific fund raising program. i.e. hospital, school of business, specific building, etc. that's obvious. And specifically I have used a donor solicitation that enabled a check off for the athletic dept. There may be some specific NCAA restrictions, but I'm not aware of them.

Way to check this out is for you to donate $1 Million and specify it for football. I don't think they will send it back to you.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

It was not a private email, there was no disclosure agreement or statement at the end saying these were private conversations. I chose to share b/c the University has been somewhat secretive about many aspects of the program, and I felt fans should know about new initiatives and old policies.

Secondly, I respect if people don't want it to be a football factory. I totally understand. But I would ask those who feel that way to consider the fact that if you want student-athletes to be kids who are UM caliber students, with legitimate degrees, then the program should simply admit students strictly based on academics, and if they can play a sport, that contributes to their financial aid. In other words, a kid with an 800 SAT and 2.5 average would not be admitted either.

The idea that a kid with a 2.8 gpa and a 600 SAT is being pushed through, but a kid with a 2.5 GPA and an 800 SAT is not, is frankly silly (to me). All football players in division 1 BCS schools are pushed through. If they weren't gifted athletes, the majority of BCS level kids wouldn't be accepted to these universities. Having "higher standards" than the NCAA minimum only means anything if those standards are equivalent to those of the average student. Anything else is just window dressing.

If you really support education first, how can you justify accepting kids just bc they play football? If you really support education first, email the university and tell them you want UM sports programs filled only with "regular" students. Of course Miami would never do that, b/c it would mean we wouldn't be able to field division 1 level sports anymore, which would mean a complete shutdown of our athletics programs.

I find it very unlikely that UMs "ethics and morals" when it comes to academics would stop them from taking an 18 million dollar a year check that the ACC gives them.

In all honestly, I think (and secretly hope) that the world of big-time college football may be coming to an end. Perhaps not in the short range, over the next 5-10 years, but I don't think things can continue as they are for the long-term. There are too many glaring hypocrisies, too many instances of corruption within the NCAA at large and within each member school, too much exploitation and bitterness, too many academic improprieties and exceptions, etc. It's become too big, too out-of-control. There's too much distance and dissonance between academics and athletics.

 

[cowboycane]

It was not a private email, there was no disclosure agreement or statement at the end saying these were private conversations. I chose to share b/c the University has been somewhat secretive about many aspects of the program, and I felt fans should know about new initiatives and old policies.

Secondly, I respect if people don't want it to be a football factory. I totally understand. But I would ask those who feel that way to consider the fact that if you want student-athletes to be kids who are UM caliber students, with legitimate degrees, then the program should simply admit students strictly based on academics, and if they can play a sport, that contributes to their financial aid. In other words, a kid with an 800 SAT and 2.5 average would not be admitted either.

The idea that a kid with a 2.8 gpa and a 600 SAT is being pushed through, but a kid with a 2.5 GPA and an 800 SAT is not, is frankly silly (to me). All football players in division 1 BCS schools are pushed through. If they weren't gifted athletes, the majority of BCS level kids wouldn't be accepted to these universities. Having "higher standards" than the NCAA minimum only means anything if those standards are equivalent to those of the average student. Anything else is just window dressing.

If you really support education first, how can you justify accepting kids just bc they play football? If you really support education first, email the university and tell them you want UM sports programs filled only with "regular" students. Of course Miami would never do that, b/c it would mean we wouldn't be able to field division 1 level sports anymore, which would mean a complete shutdown of our athletics programs.

I find it very unlikely that UMs "ethics and morals" when it comes to academics would stop them from taking an 18 million dollar a year check that the ACC gives them.

Most important piece right there.

 

[numbers]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

I do blame UM for the stupid and arbitrary minimum test score as if 20 extra points is going to really determine their ability to do college level work (which we know they all get loads of help with anyway no matter the school). There is definitely a huge problem with the local school systems that do a lousy job educating them, but UM isn't going to change the system or how kids are enabled by handlers/coaches/teachers from the moment their athletic prowess is discovered. This arbitrary line in the sand does nothing more than alienate the local community and create animosity and in the end the only casualty is UM's athletic program which is forced to compete with one hand tied behind its back.

 

[numbers]

ARe you the same poster whose screen name used to be all of the former UM QB's jersey numbers? If so, welcome!! I've been hoping you would make your way to this site.

Nope, sorry.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

I do blame UM for the stupid and arbitrary minimum test score as if 20 extra points is going to really determine their ability to do college level work (which we know they all get loads of help with anyway no matter the school). There is definitely a huge problem with the local school systems that do a lousy job educating them, but UM isn't going to change the system or how kids are enabled by handlers/coaches/teachers from the moment their athletic prowess is discovered. This arbitrary line in the sand does nothing more than alienate the local community and create animosity and in the end the only casualty is UM's athletic program which is forced to compete with one hand tied behind its back.

And how do you know that it's arbitrary? In my experience, very few limits are set without some sort of reasoning, some sort of background research. Perhaps they found that student-athetes who earned that extra 20 points had a significantly better chance of maintaining passing grades at UM, or needed fewer remedial classes, than those who had not earned those 20 points.

This isn't about UM changing the entire K-12 school system in South Florida; it's about UM doing what is best for UM as a school, and doing what is best for the kids that enter into UM. If the South Florida school community can't understand that, or wants UM to lower their standards to coddle the local kids and cover up for their own shortcomings, ***** them.

 

[Hurracanes]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

I do blame UM for the stupid and arbitrary minimum test score as if 20 extra points is going to really determine their ability to do college level work (which we know they all get loads of help with anyway no matter the school). There is definitely a huge problem with the local school systems that do a lousy job educating them, but UM isn't going to change the system or how kids are enabled by handlers/coaches/teachers from the moment their athletic prowess is discovered. This arbitrary line in the sand does nothing more than alienate the local community and create animosity and in the end the only casualty is UM's athletic program which is forced to compete with one hand tied behind its back.

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

So then you're cool with laying the blame on UM and not on the lazy, enabled kid and the community that enables his entitled *** attitude.

Makes sense.

I do blame UM for the stupid and arbitrary minimum test score as if 20 extra points is going to really determine their ability to do college level work (which we know they all get loads of help with anyway no matter the school). There is definitely a huge problem with the local school systems that do a lousy job educating them, but UM isn't going to change the system or how kids are enabled by handlers/coaches/teachers from the moment their athletic prowess is discovered. This arbitrary line in the sand does nothing more than alienate the local community and create animosity and in the end the only casualty is UM's athletic program which is forced to compete with one hand tied behind its back.

And how do you know that it's arbitrary? In my experience, very few limits are set without some sort of reasoning, some sort of background research. Perhaps they found that student-athetes who earned that extra 20 points had a significantly better chance of maintaining passing grades at UM than those who had not earned those 20 points.

This isn't about UM changing the entire K-12 school system in South Florida; it's about UM doing what is best for UM as a school, and doing what is best for the kids that enter into UM. If the South Florida school community can't understand that, or wants UM to lower their standards to coddle the local kids, ***** them.

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

There is NOTHINg elitist about UM's requirements for football players. NOTHING at all. Again, we're not asking for 4.0 students here.

I'm sorry that the South Florida school system is failing so much that it can't get its kids to meet the low-*** minimum requirements to get into UM, but that's not UM's fault.

 

[Hurracanes]

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

There is NOTHINg elitist about UM's requirements for football players. NOTHING at all. Again, we're not asking for 4.0 students here.

I'm sorry that the South Florida school system is failing so much that it can't get its kids to meet the low-*** minimum requirements to get into UM, but that's not UM's fault.

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

There is NOTHINg elitist about UM's requirements for football players. NOTHING at all. Again, we're not asking for 4.0 students here.

I'm sorry that the South Florida school system is failing so much that it can't get its kids to meet the low-*** minimum requirements to get into UM, but that's not UM's fault.

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****** grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

We've never lost a kid over grades that would have been the one to automatically turn us into a national title contender. Not once. So I really don't care if those kids chose somewhere else or not.

 

[Hurracanes]

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

There is NOTHINg elitist about UM's requirements for football players. NOTHING at all. Again, we're not asking for 4.0 students here.

I'm sorry that the South Florida school system is failing so much that it can't get its kids to meet the low-*** minimum requirements to get into UM, but that's not UM's fault.

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

There is NOTHINg elitist about UM's requirements for football players. NOTHING at all. Again, we're not asking for 4.0 students here.

I'm sorry that the South Florida school system is failing so much that it can't get its kids to meet the low-*** minimum requirements to get into UM, but that's not UM's fault.

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ******* hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen a couple football players who could barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. They rarely came to class, rarely did of their work. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level and put them in remedial classes...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

 

[cryptocane]

**** yeah. Coach l can coach his *** off. This program will be on the up and up

Who cares? We're a basketball school now

 

[BisCane]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

not so fast...

http://www.beaconcouncil.com/web/Content.aspx?Page=majorEmployers

TOP PRIVATE EMPLOYERS
Company No. of Employees
University of Miami 16,000
Baptist Health South Florida 13,376
Publix Super Markets 10,800
American Airlines 9,000
Precision Response Corporation * 5,000
Florida Power & Light Company ** 3,840
Carnival Cruise Lines 3,500
Winn-Dixie Stores 3,400
AT&T 3,100
Mount Sinai Medical Center 3,000
Miami Children's Hospital 2,800
Sedanos Supermarkets 2,500
Wachovia, A Wells Fargo Co. 2,179
Assurant Solutions * 2,100
Bank of America 2,000
Royal Caribbean International/Celebrity Cruises 1,880
Beckman Coulter Corp. 1,400
United Parcel Service 1,150
Federal Express 1,134
Eulen America ** 1,000
Miami Herald Publishing Co. 850
BankUnited 750
Regions Bank 700
Ocean Bank 633
SunTrust Bank 400

TOP PUBLIC EMPLOYERS
Miami-Dade County Public Schools 48,571
Miami-Dade County 29,000
Federal Government 19,500
Florida State Government 17,100
Jackson Health System 12,571
Florida International University 8,000
Miami-Dade College 6,200
City of Miami 4,309

 

[AntwanJ306]

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

The University of Miami isn't a soup kitchen. There are plenty of places for kids from those environments to get a free college education.

If you truly cared about the plight of Miami-Dade teenagers, you would be arguing for ALL kids from tough neighborhoods to get into UM, not just the football players. Don't get all bleeding heart on us when the reality is that you don't care about the dumb football players any more than UM does. You just want to win games at any cost.

 

[Hurracanes]

Then do not complain when they choose to go to LSU instead of Miami. The footbal program has so many things already going against them (stadium, small fan-base, private institute, etc.), the UM requirements only put us at more of a disadvantage to the competition.

I don't complain when a recruit chooses somewhere else for whatever reason. Never have. It's their prerogative to be lazy in the classroom and get ****ty grades if they want. Obviously, if that's their choice, they don't truly want to be at UM. So be it.

Who the **** are you to judge these kids? Did you walk in their shoes? Did you grow up in the same environment they have? Did you lack the resources many of these kids have?

Oh, boo ****ing hoo. I grew up in a poor area of rural Florida. I'm as lefty as they come, so don't come at me with this nonsense about their lack of resources.

The fact is that the South Florida school system has plenty of resources. And these kids have plenty of resources and opportunity. But they are told from the time they're little that they don't have to study...all they have to do is play ball. They are told that by their parents, and by the school administrators themselves. They grow up to be entitled kids who believe their own hype and don't give a **** about studying, because they've never had to. Their teachers pass them through because they get pressure from their school's athletic dept to do it.

I've taught at the university level...at FSU, matter of fact. And I've seen football players who can barely string together a complete sentence, and certainly couldn't write a full college essay on their own. And I've failed them from my English class, despite being pressured from the athletic department staff to pass them.

Now, certainly there are some kids who have genuine learning disabilities or are truly from disadvantaged backgrounds and just can't get the grades no matter how hard they try. And there are places for those kids...we call them Junior Colleges. Sometimes, we can make exceptions for them at the University level...but they are called "exceptions" for a reasons...they are not the "norm."

I do not know what part of Florida you grew up in but i seriously doubt it is as bad as some South Florida neighborhoods, especially the ones in the city. Many of these kids come from broken homes, uneducated parents, violent neighborhoods, and schools where many teachers do not give a **** about them. You're right, many of these kids do not care about school, but not because they are lazy but because they were never raised to make school a priority. Football came first. You would feel entitled too if you were treated like a king since Pop Warner and were never pushed to work hard in anything else but football. So when I hear an adult, especially a former teacher, say "*****" the kids, I have a serious problem with that. You were not saying ***** these kids when they were winning the University of Miami championships.

 

[Hurracanes]

The admissions standards are a big deal. It hurts us on two fronts. First, most top kids are not going to bother taking the SAT again to try and get 20 more points for Miami admittance when Alabame, LSU, UF, FSU, etc will all accept the NCAA minimum. These are kids that have been enabled their entire lives and to think more than a handful are going to put in more work for UM is silly. Second, and this is the bigger one in my opinion, is that it really hurts UM in the community. UM comes off as a bunch of elitist pricks within the community for having the higher standard. It leads to the perception that UM doesn't care about local kids and doesn't support the community. It makes kids want to go elsewhere and **** on UM for saying they weren't smart enough to attend school there.

It is simple, the University of Miami football program needs the support of the South Florida community a **** lot more than the community needs the school. If we say "scew them" then enjoy being completely irrelevant. Your last statement really justifies the elitist perception.

not so fast...

http://www.beaconcouncil.com/web/Content.aspx?Page=majorEmployers

TOP PRIVATE EMPLOYERS
Company No. of Employees
University of Miami 16,000
Baptist Health South Florida 13,376
Publix Super Markets 10,800
American Airlines 9,000
Precision Response Corporation * 5,000
Florida Power & Light Company ** 3,840
Carnival Cruise Lines 3,500
Winn-Dixie Stores 3,400
AT&T 3,100
Mount Sinai Medical Center 3,000
Miami Children's Hospital 2,800
Sedanos Supermarkets 2,500
Wachovia, A Wells Fargo Co. 2,179
Assurant Solutions * 2,100
Bank of America 2,000
Royal Caribbean International/Celebrity Cruises 1,880
Beckman Coulter Corp. 1,400
United Parcel Service 1,150
Federal Express 1,134
Eulen America ** 1,000
Miami Herald Publishing Co. 850
BankUnited 750
Regions Bank 700
Ocean Bank 633
SunTrust Bank 400

TOP PUBLIC EMPLOYERS
Miami-Dade County Public Schools 48,571
Miami-Dade County 29,000
Federal Government 19,500
Florida State Government 17,100
Jackson Health System 12,571
Florida International University 8,000
Miami-Dade College 6,200
City of Miami 4,309

When I say the South Florida community I mean the athletic prospects.