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Molly McGrath talks to Behind the U about TVD and Dawson

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TheOriginalCane said:
Bull****.

Tell me what we ran in 2021, Tyler's best season. I'll wait.

Good lord, the revisionist history that is being spun now...
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Not saying you’re right or wrong. I need to go back and watch it all, but I did just watch some highlights from North Carolina 2021 and his first pick was off an RPO where he looked completely out of synch / uncomfortable.

I’m bias in this whole thing because I despise RPOs
 
BostonCanes47 said:
Yes!!! I believe you’re saying that in the NFL they usually call two plays in the huddle, typically one pass or one run then it’s up to the QB to decide at the LOS if the defensive look they get warrants the second option. Which Brady and manning were killers with.

The RPO **** they tried forcing down this offenses throat absolutely nuked it. Once they stopped running it in game 11 the offensive was night and day better. I agree with TVD on that. We lost the FSU because we were married to the RPO.

However, at the same time. TVD comes off bad with these comments. Context is needed. As a high level QB you need to be able to digest and pick the correct option, make the correct read.

I’m guessing he was possibly complaining about the RPO and maybe his progressions based on coverages he faced. But if you’re a P5 QB you need to be able to understand progressions and identify coverages. And identify and counter defensive fronts. Could be talking about pass protection too.
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I absolutely agree with this. I am not disputing Tyler made horrendous decisions at times this year, but crucifying him for what Molly McGrath was talking about is pathetic. He liked the freedom to change a play at the line, he doesnt want to take snap make a read decide to not handoff and then have to decide if he wants to run himself or pass.

The RPO is something thats been around since the 80s, it gets all this publicity now but just as many qbs and coaches have disliked it for years as the number who love it. Having a guy say he didnt like making 3 decisions after the snap isnt a fault to a qb or a coach. Its simply a preference.

Using RPO type plays with a guy as limited mobility wise as Tyler is silly. Yeah you may get a team offguard every once in awhile but there is no real 3rd option of him running. And there is a disadvantage to blocking for pass and run from rb. I completely agree we shouldnt use it if our qb is a pocket guy.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Well, at this point, I guess we just have to acknowledge that TVD is a liar who keeps changing his story...


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Do I think Dawson should’ve had this conversation a few weeks sooner? Yeah I think so. However considering that they did have it preseason and apparently TVD (the yes man comment makes a lot of sense) didn’t call this out beforehand I can’t fault Dawson for. If your employee says they are good and comfortable with a process you have to hand that off to them until they show they aren’t. And now we’re hearing TVD giving the opposite response to what he said preseason.

Should Dawson have asked again a little sooner? Yes. Should Dawson have had the intuition that he really wasn’t comfortable with those plays based on TVDs play? Probably (did Lashlee? Maybe that’s why it was so simplified for him then). But TVD should also be transparent to begin with.

Granted we really don’t know the whole truth but this is my opinion based off the limited info circulating and past interviews etc.

Anyway, it’s good to move on now. If that clip is accurate and TVD can’t improvise he’s definitely not the guy we need. Plays break down. **** happens. You can’t be a great quarterback if that stops a play dead because you can’t overcome it.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
At this point....

FUUUUUUUUCK Tyler Van Dyke.

He had no problems running RPO in 2021.

He had no problems with our offense in the spring and summer.

As for PROGRESSIONS, please post the video of all the times he made progressions. He locked onto one receiver for much of the year, not bothering to look for TEs and RBs in the middle of the field, and missing other WRs who were wide open.

But FUUUUUUUCK all these excuses.

TVD is dead to me. He has other-worldly arm talent and accuracy, and a 10-cent brain.

And the excuses and ever-changing narratives...
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I mean he did objectively go through his progressions very well against Louisville and Boston College, but I understand the sentiment.

He did love the offense weeks 1-4 and 11 /12 when he won. And during the offseason as you noted. But the offense was clearly different after North Carolina up until Louisville. Everyone’s at fault for that.
 
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canecane232323 said:
Are you serious. They say it in the clip above. He didnt want an option to run on plays. Calls it the grey area. Then she clarifies by telling you McElroy didnt want it either.

Your post with Tyler's quotes are talking about audibles. Not RPO.

And no one said Tyler hasnt run RPO, just that he told Dawson he wasnt comfortable with it. So 2021 is ridiculous to bring up.
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I don't give a god**** about what they say in the clip above, Tyler is still a liar.

And I **** sure don't give a **** about Greg mother****ing McElroy, who is just an enormous *****. Yes, for years Alabama was known for system quarterbacks with no ability to improvise. Yay, good for them, they won a bunch of college games. He still had a ****** NFL career BECAUSE he was too brain-dead to be able to handle "gray area".

Go stuff your excuses and revisionist history. You go to college to learn how to play well enough to be paid to do so professionally (and I'm uninterested in having an NIL discussion right now).

If Tyler Van Dyke thinks that his pathway to greatness and a career is by removing all the "gray area", then he will certainly reach Greg McElroy levels of NFL performance.

I'm tired of this. Tyler Van Dyke said NOTHING about not liking RPO all during the spring and summer and the SIX GAMES before he suffered his rib and knee injuries. If he is too incapable of communicating to his position coach about the playbook and his injuries, and just needs everyone to read his mind and cater to him, then he is not going to play QB for much longer.

Those are just unavoidable facts.
 
BostonCanes47 said:
Not saying you’re right or wrong. I need to go back and watch it all, but I did just watch some highlights from North Carolina 2021 and his first pick was off an RPO where he looked completely out of synch / uncomfortable.

I’m bias in this whole thing because I despise RPOs
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So he was fine with the RPO in 2021, and for the first five games of 2023, but suddenly he was out of synch and uncomfortable in Game 6?

Yeah, I'm not OK with any of this.

And we just have to be honest, the injuries were brutal. And the SECOND attempted NIL renegotiation didn't help matters any.

But, yeah, we have to listen like @canecane232323 spin these belated storylines about how TVD can't process "gray areas" and doesn't like to improvise. He liked it just fine when he was healthy and believed he was the highest paid Miami player.

Until neither of those factors was true.

And for the record, I'm no fan of the RPO either, but it didn't seem to bother TVD for the second half of 2021 and the first half of 2023.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I don't give a god**** about what they say in the clip above, Tyler is still a liar.

And I **** sure don't give a **** about Greg mother****ing McElroy, who is just an enormous *****. Yes, for years Alabama was known for system quarterbacks with no ability to improvise. Yay, good for them, they won a bunch of college games. He still had a ****** NFL career BECAUSE he was too brain-dead to be able to handle "gray area".

Go stuff your excuses and revisionist history. You go to college to learn how to play well enough to be paid to do so professionally (and I'm uninterested in having an NIL discussion right now).

If Tyler Van Dyke thinks that his pathway to greatness and a career is by removing all the "gray area", then he will certainly reach Greg McElroy levels of NFL performance.

I'm tired of this. Tyler Van Dyke said NOTHING about not liking RPO all during the spring and summer and the SIX GAMES before he suffered his rib and knee injuries. If he is too incapable of communicating to his position coach about the playbook and his injuries, and just needs everyone to read his mind and cater to him, then he is not going to play QB for much longer.

Those are just unavoidable facts.
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That i kinda agree with, he should of said something before week 10. Like she said he was a Yes Man for too much of his career.
 
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canecane232323 said:
Are you serious. They say it in the clip above. He didnt want an option to run on plays. Calls it the grey area. Then she clarifies by telling you McElroy didnt want it either.

Your post with Tyler's quotes are talking about audibles. Not RPO.

And no one said Tyler hasnt run RPO, just that he told Dawson he wasnt comfortable with it. So 2021 is ridiculous to bring up.
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I think the point he’s trying to make is that TVD stated how much he loved the offense during the offseason and through the first 4 weeks when they were scheming and / or running RPO. Then it went south and he backed tracked saying he didn’t like RPO.

Could just be a QB giving player talk to the media like they all do.

Could be a QB deflecting blame.

At the end of the day the offense was better without the RPO.
 
Rickd said:
It is beyond crazy that Dawson and TVD didn't have a playbook review BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED ... how the **** do you wait until before week 12 to see if together you can "fix" the QB performance??????????
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I have no clue why people keep saying this

Yes they were slow to adjust after the A&M game

But just stop throwing this emotional garbage out there
 
TheOriginalCane said:
So he was fine with the RPO in 2021, and for the first five games of 2023, but suddenly he was out of synch and uncomfortable in Game 6?

Yeah, I'm not OK with any of this.

And we just have to be honest, the injuries were brutal. And the SECOND attempted NIL renegotiation didn't help matters any.

But, yeah, we have to listen like @canecane232323 spin these belated storylines about how TVD can't process "gray areas" and doesn't like to improvise. He liked it just fine when he was healthy and believed he was the highest paid Miami player.

Until neither of those factors was true.

And for the record, I'm no fan of the RPO either, but it didn't seem to bother TVD for the second half of 2021 and the first half of 2023.
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I agree completely. Only thing to consider is that college players always have to be positive with the media.

I need to watch to see how much RPO lashlee did and the design of them vs Dawson.

Could always be a player figuring out what works for him to. If my 6 iron isn’t working, I’m going to adjust and use my 7.

Everyone’s at fault here and they’re two sides to every story, but TVD shouldn’t have commented on this.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
WAAAAH, waaah, I don't want to improvise:


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Lets just assume that Tyler, for some reason, decided that he doesn't like rpo's. Fine.
Couldn't he have tapped into all of the freedom he was given at the line to change the play from an rpo to just a run or a pass? I'm not giving Dawson a pass for his part in what went wrong with the offense, but it is unnecessarily unfair to put this narrative out there without giving Dawson a chance to defend himself/set the record straight.
 
BostonCanes47 said:
I mean he did objectively go through his progressions very well against Louisville and Boston College, but I understand the sentiment.

He did love the offense weeks 1-4 and 11 /12 when he won. And during the offseason as you noted. But the offense was clearly different after North Carolina up until Louisville. Everyone’s at fault for that.
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DID HE?

We had a wide open TD to Colbie Young, RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, and he chose to thrown an incompletion to Jacolby George deeper in the end zone.

Again, there is a difference between completing passes (and I've NEVER said he is inaccurate, and I've always said he was our BEST OPTION at QB, as long as he wasn't too injured to perform), and actually going through progressions.

Feel free to explain why the TEs and RBs got so few targets. And very few throws in the middle of the field. Those are functions of "locking in" and not going through progressions.

Look, I'll give full credit to Tyler for doing a great job against Boston College when he knew he wasn't coming back to UM.

But this "offense was clearly different after North Carolina up until Louisville" is shockingly bizarre when one realizes...you are talking about FOUR GAMES...two of which featured Emory, not TVD. So...yeah...I guess...TVD had a terrible stretch of [checks notes] Virginia and NC State...

I'm not sure why we can't all be honest and acknowledge the injuries and the unhappiness over his NIL. And if Tyler didn't want to run after his three injuries (and I don't blame him) then he should have gone to Dawson his **** self.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:



2 min 10 second clip from Molly's interview with Behind the U

Great Listen. Explains alot about the rough part of the season. Also brings some questions back to the forefront about how Dawson did or didn't work with the QB room this season.

David Lake talked about what he saw as failures in their 247 podcast, too.

For me, it reinforces what I've said numerous times; it wasn't just on Tyler. He had to deal with the physical stuff and Dawson did little to nothing to help him with the offense until he had to.
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Bring in Dorsey!!
 
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