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Miami's DT recruits since Shannon's first year.

252cane said:
**** out of here with that neagative recruiting ****. I'm sure it was a issue but to a certain extent.

He is still going to have to deal with negative recruiting. You don't think fsu & uf telling d-tackles that jethro can't coach or d'onofrio scheme is ****?
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Dismiss the NCAA effect on recruiting? Whatever comforts u at night.
 
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CANE4LIFE said:
moldycheese432 said:
WildcatDefense said:
We're supposed to believe that Robinson, Porter, Pierre and Chickillo are complete JAGs?

Did they not have decent offers coming out of high school? Did they ALL not look better earlier in their career here?
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every one on the front four had offers from teams with better defenses than us. Just sayin'
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No doubt, but Pierre was a Temple recruit, wasnt exactly a major recruit. Porter was a 2-3 star guy, not a major recruit. Chick was brought in as a 4-3 DE, not what he's being used for now. We do NOT have the personnel to run this system. Not by a long shot. But that's on the coaches too. AG made a big mistake trying to force this system into place so soon with the lack of talent, depth, and proper players for it. He doesnt have a LB coach that really knows this scheme either. And he has a sh8tty DC to boot. Recipie for disaster.
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Golden has NOTHING but failure at every facet since he became coach, EXCEPT, he coached poorly while under NCAA investigation, which is somehow celebrated.


How is sucking while under NCAA investigation worthy of hero worship? How is failing to improve a program that suffered for a decade under the TWO worst head coaches in sports history a success?

Next year, he blames a new QB, the skolly reductions, and the loss of some position coach he throws under the bus.
 
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lol whatever guy....

Shannon pulled Marcus Fortson, Luther Robinson, Curtis Porter, Micanor Regis, and you can throw in Allen Bailey as well. The program failed those athletes not the talent just like the program is failing guys still on this team now.

Curtis Porter and Luther Robinson are JAGs in Golden's defense, if they played for VT they would make noise on a defense like that.

You all who make excuses and say all our our d-line talent is JAGs first dont have a clue.... you all compare how other team's DTs are making plays in the backfield and think "talent" is the reason why Miami's DTs dont do the same. smh

..... A d-line that has to read all game and play on it's heels will never look like anything. Every team has figured this defense out, just attack hard and the defense wont have a chance to stop anything. Why? b/c they are too busy thinking and moving backwards instead of being on attack mode.

To this point, Al Golden has recruited less talent on this d-line then Shannon by far.... the guys that are committed now will arrive during Goldens 4th year.

What about the 3 years before?.... Darius Smith and Cory King are the Temple coaches recruits. Golden's best D-line recruit, Jalen Grimble left the team b/c they were too busy trying to get Justin Renfrow. I bet Jalen Grimble is going to make a lot of plays for Oregon State next year lol.

The Temple coaches who run this program are frauds simple as that.... losing to Duke is inexcusable but everyone is still trying to give Golden the benefit of the doubt by making it about Randy Shannon GTFOH so Shannon did 10 years damage to a program in only 3 years? oh ok.
 
Here we go with the ******* excuses and rationalizations again. This ******* guy c4l started a thread when golden MISSED ON ALL HIS DT TARGETS FOR 2013 SAYING "WE HAVE 8 DTS ON THE ROSTER FOLKS". Everything will be ok, Temple souf....**** THAT. Golden has missed on

Eddie Goldman
Jaynard Bostwick
Damian Jacobs
INSERT DT RECRUIT HERE.

The guys he has brought in seem to be JAGS up to this point. What happen to golden being this "ELITE BUTCH LIKE TALENT EVALUATOR". STOP WITH THE ******* EXCUSES. **** IS RIDICULOUS AT THIS POINT.

Jacoby Briscoe-Off the Team
Earl Moore-Hasn't done a ******* thing yet
Olsen Pierre-Average/Below Average going into his Senior Year
Anthony Chickilo-Put on a TON of weight slowed him down even more and impact wise has regressed since his freshman year, SPECIFICALLY said he didnt want to play in a 3-4 coming out of high school because that wasn't his game, Not exactly a Jag but not an impact guy either
Corey King-LMAO
Darius Smiff-LMAO
DT "Stolen" from Louisville "this show butch did it"-LMAO NO LONGER ON THE TEAM

WHERES the "butch like talent evaluation at". Once again, STOP WITH THE ******* EXCUSES. People made excuses for this guy each year when he hasn't brought in **** as far as DT goes. Wake Up.
 
1. There is some truth to the fact that AG inherited very little talent and had an uphill battle with the looming sanctions

2. Porsters overlooked that because we started 7-0

3. The scheme AG and staff is implementing shows very little ability to adapt. I remember some AG quote to the effect of "players not scheme" which, paraphrasing, meant get the best players (or take what you have) and scheme to their abilities. It had been a total fail in this regard.

4. While I was very high on AG since he was hired and have soured a little lately due to poor gameday coaching (adjustments), I'd like to think he deserves a chance to recruit with no sanctions looming and see what he can do without the baggage.

5. Doh still needs to go, sacrificial lamb or not.
 
zone3cane said:
lol whatever guy....

Shannon pulled Marcus Fortson, Luther Robinson, Curtis Porter, Micanor Regis, and you can throw in Allen Bailey as well. The program failed those athletes not the talent just like the program is failing guys still on this team now.
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Porter, Robinson are Earl, Ivery and all other 3 stars Golden has recruited and Forston was out Northwestern. Golden could of got him as well. They weren't elite talents that Randy had to fight off the big time schools for. Bama was not calling any of them besides Fortson.
 
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2010 was a complete waste of a year recruiting for DT. Nothing as well as Shannon's last year in 2011. Shannon left us with nothing on the line, zip, zero but looming sanctions for Golden's first three years. In 2009 the where 59 better rated DTs coming out of high school than Porter. They next year was zero DTs and the next Gimble never panned out and left the team. Golden did nothing his first two years for recruiting DTs. Finally in 2014 he has done something and these guys could start next year. Hopefully we get some more DTs coming in from JC.
 
How many Golden recruits have been kicked off the team or left?

he has to have the record by now. Then he makes excuses about depth. smh THIS GUY IS THE PERFECT CON MAN.
 
Honestly not sure if the way we are playing and gameplanning right now is ever going to be nationally elite without an infusion of coaching talent. I think we have a lot of guys who are nice, solid dudes that recruit their asses off but we are losing to a lot of good Veteran ACC Staffs.

Golden is a solid dude and I respect him sticking it out. I think hes cleaned up the program, recruited as well as anybody could reasonably expect, and we look a little bit better going forward. So maybe he is the guy, and maybe he is the guy before the guy. Theres definitely issues losing to Duke and VT, but the truth is that neither of those teams suck, they're not world beaters but they're decent teams.

Point is, I think the program is going in the right direction. Defense needs to have major major adjustments, 2 years is enough of a case study to prove a failure. But I think next year we can be a top 25 team and that after that we look pretty good. So I'm still optimistic.
 
zone3cane said:
How many Golden recruits have been kicked off the team or left?

he has to have the record by now. Then he makes excuses about depth. smh THIS GUY IS THE PERFECT CON MAN.
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Where is the list of players that have left? Shannon's players are the ones that got us in this NCAA ****storm and sanctions hanging over our heads. Many had to be let go because of that and others had to be let go because we had to be squeaky clean to hope for the least amount of sanctions after three years of NCAA witch hunts. Did you forget already all the yahoo, sport illustrated and many other stories on Miami football's demise because of the major sanctions we where going to get hit with. That did kill some of our recruiting. Any player on the fence went elsewhere.

Have not had a good coach since 2000. That is the sad fact. Administration should be in the cross hairs for their horrible choices. They had to kind of go with Granpa Corker but he was in two national title games because of the talent they had. But Shannon was the biggest disaster of any NCAA coaching **** ups in the history of college sports. His last four years especially recruits on the D line where inexcusable. That is why he is a lowly LB corch on the worst team in the SEC losing their last 7 games getting ready to lose two more. Arkansas's defense makes ours look ******* spectacular. He will probably get canned form that and end up assistant corching HS football somewhere in some redneck state.
 
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BlackKeysFan said:
Theres definitely issues losing to Duke and VT, but the truth is that neither of those teams suck, they're not world beaters but they're decent teams.
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I disagree.....

Virginia Tech and Duke both suck, Miami just sucks much worse then they do.
 
VT sucks? Are you insane? They have one the best best defenses in CFB. If you put a decent qb on that team, they would be top 10. You do realize that they lost to bama by 25 points of which 3 TDs came from punt and kick returns.
 
No excuses UM has/had*

Chick - 5 star
*Grimble - 5 Star
Hamilton - 4 star
Mccord - 4 star
Muhammad - 4 star
Porter - NFL bound
Green - NFL (Practice squad maybe)
L Robinson -


Elder - 4 Star
Howard - 5 star
Bush - 4 star
Burns - 4 star
Carter - 4 star
Gunter - proven cover skills
Crawford - 4 star
Rogers - 4 star
Jenkins - 3 star (Proven)

Perryman - 4 star
Kirby - 4 star

I mean, how many more stars does he need to at least field a top 30 defense?
 
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Supercane85 said:
No excuses UM has/had*

Chick - 5 star
*Grimble - 5 Star
Hamilton - 4 star
Mccord - 4 star
Muhammad - 4 star
Porter - NFL bound
Green - NFL (Practice squad maybe)
L Robinson -


Elder - 4 Star
Howard - 5 star
Bush - 4 star
Burns - 4 star
Carter - 4 star
Gunter - proven cover skills
Crawford - 4 star
Rogers - 4 star
Jenkins - 3 star (Proven)

Perryman - 4 star
Kirby - 4 star

I mean, how many more stars does he need to at least field a top 30 defense?
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I think you are confusing things. There is no question that Coach D doesn't know what is going on (either he can't get through or he sucks) but some of those guys are just kids and are not expected to contribute serious burn as a freshman/sophomore. It is okay if freshman or sophomores don't make an immediate impact.

It would not shock me to see 4 kids coming out of the 2012 class play on Sundays (on defense alone).

Also, Rodgers, Perryman and Crawford were all 3 star players. Not that I care about rankings.
 
Supercane85 said:
No excuses UM has/had*

Chick - 5 star
*Grimble - 5 Star
Hamilton - 4 star
Mccord - 4 star
Muhammad - 4 star
Porter - NFL bound
Green - NFL (Practice squad maybe)
L Robinson -


Elder - 4 Star
Howard - 5 star
Bush - 4 star
Burns - 4 star
Carter - 4 star
Gunter - proven cover skills
Crawford - 4 star
Rogers - 4 star
Jenkins - 3 star (Proven)

Perryman - 4 star
Kirby - 4 star

I mean, how many more stars does he need to at least field a top 30 defense?
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Got to have defensive tackles to win games. Like all of those great Miami teams of the past. They had great DTs. If not, teams just run right at you like they have been doing for years. You can have all the 5 star DBs but how are they going to stop the run with out a good line. 5 yard gains every time.

If a QB has all day to throw it how are all the DBs going to stop that. Sooner or later someone will be open and if not the QB can just run it. No tackles in 2010 where even recruited that made the team. That killed us and the next year only Grimble and a two star not even ranked. Grimble was a 5 star from Vegas. Not saying much since who did he play high school in Nevada? A bunch of little Mexicans? He was no better than the three stars from south Florida. DT recruiting has been a bust for years.
 
HurricaneinLA said:
Supercane85 said:
No excuses UM has/had*

Chick - 5 star
*Grimble - 5 Star
Hamilton - 4 star
Mccord - 4 star
Muhammad - 4 star
Porter - NFL bound
Green - NFL (Practice squad maybe)
L Robinson -


Elder - 4 Star
Howard - 5 star
Bush - 4 star
Burns - 4 star
Carter - 4 star
Gunter - proven cover skills
Crawford - 4 star
Rogers - 4 star
Jenkins - 3 star (Proven)

Perryman - 4 star
Kirby - 4 star

I mean, how many more stars does he need to at least field a top 30 defense?
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Got to have defensive tackles to win games. Like all of those great Miami teams of the past. They had great DTs. If not, teams just run right at you like they have been doing for years. You can have all the 5 star DBs but how are they going to stop the run with out a good line. 5 yard gains every time.

If a QB has all day to throw it how are all the DBs going to stop that. Sooner or later someone will be open and if not the QB can just run it. No tackles in 2010 where even recruited that made the team. That killed us and the next year only Grimble and a two star not even ranked. Grimble was a 5 star from Vegas. Not saying much since who did he play high school in Nevada? A bunch of little Mexicans? He was no better than the three stars from south Florida. DT recruiting has been a bust for years.
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Problem is that you're assuming Pierre, Robinson, Porter, et al are terrible players just because they get terrible results. Your whole premise is flawed. Take Pierre for instance. He had a nice year last year and looked like a guy who was going to turn into a really good player. This year he's been a ghost. Porter was way better his 1st two years here in limited playing time than he is now. Guys are getting worse instead of improving.

Look at a guy like Luther Maddy at VT. We didn't recruit him out of Delray Beach, FL. He was only 2nd team Palm Beach County. Had we signed him you'd likely be lumping him with the other purported JAGs and calling him a low-level low star recruit. At VT, he's become a really good DT.
 
The Franchise said:
HurricaneinLA said:
Supercane85 said:
No excuses UM has/had*

Chick - 5 star
*Grimble - 5 Star
Hamilton - 4 star
Mccord - 4 star
Muhammad - 4 star
Porter - NFL bound
Green - NFL (Practice squad maybe)
L Robinson -


Elder - 4 Star
Howard - 5 star
Bush - 4 star
Burns - 4 star
Carter - 4 star
Gunter - proven cover skills
Crawford - 4 star
Rogers - 4 star
Jenkins - 3 star (Proven)

Perryman - 4 star
Kirby - 4 star

I mean, how many more stars does he need to at least field a top 30 defense?
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Got to have defensive tackles to win games. Like all of those great Miami teams of the past. They had great DTs. If not, teams just run right at you like they have been doing for years. You can have all the 5 star DBs but how are they going to stop the run with out a good line. 5 yard gains every time.

If a QB has all day to throw it how are all the DBs going to stop that. Sooner or later someone will be open and if not the QB can just run it. No tackles in 2010 where even recruited that made the team. That killed us and the next year only Grimble and a two star not even ranked. Grimble was a 5 star from Vegas. Not saying much since who did he play high school in Nevada? A bunch of little Mexicans? He was no better than the three stars from south Florida. DT recruiting has been a bust for years.
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Problem is that you're assuming Pierre, Robinson, Porter, et al are terrible players just because they get terrible results. Your whole premise is flawed. Take Pierre for instance. He had a nice year last year and looked like a guy who was going to turn into a really good player. This year he's been a ghost. Porter was way better his 1st two years here in limited playing time than he is now. Guys are getting worse instead of improving.

Look at a guy like Luther Maddy at VT. We didn't recruit him out of Delray Beach, FL. He was only 2nd team Palm Beach County. Had we signed him you'd likely be lumping him with the other purported JAGs and calling him a low-level low star recruit. At VT, he's become a really good DT.
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Correct.
 
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