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Mario not defending Cam

HurricanesR1 said:
Those of us that have an old school team-first mentality are struggling to accept these "business decision" moves from NIL-era players now with opt-outs and such.

Go ahead and opt-out of cupcake games on the schedule while you're at it. Not a good "business decision" to play in those.
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these started pre nil but I guess you old school ****ers have dementia
 
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poncho0091 said:
This concept won't change until they finally admit these are no longer student-athletes and treat the entire thing as pro athletes. Even then, an NFL coach would defend his guy as long as they are on the same page. If Cam went off script, that's another story.
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I think those conversations are already beginning in some circles. I want to pause and make a clear distinction between "defending" someone and "taking cover" for someone.

"Defending" in this context implies explaining or advocating support/justification of a decision be it reasoning or principles because you believe it is right/reasonable. Implies accountability and rational argument.

"Taking Cover" in this context is meant to protect someone from blame or shielding from criticism often without necessarily agreeing with the decision. Implies dishonesty and avoidance of accountability.

Obviously if Ward had decided to exit the game, the coach can--but should not be obligated to--take cover for the decision that another man makes. This is standard "Bro Code", "Man-Code" whatever you want to call it; a man is responsible for himself and his decisions.

If we were playing SimCoach2000, there is no way any of us are pulling our Heisman candidate QB for Temu Anthony Colandrea; which leads me to believe this wasn't Cristobal/Shannon's decision. What everyone really wants is for CMC to walk up to that podium and "take cover" for Cam Ward's decision that he himself disagrees with and I just don't see why anyone should have to do that.

I understand your sentiments about future QBs and their relationships with their coaches and the investment into the teams they play for, but it seems there is a new law governing the landscape taking form and up-and-coming athletes need to be aware that their being paid comes at a price.
 
Golsen82 said:
Maybe yesterday fiasco will cause cam to slide down the draft for dallas!
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cam strengthened his case to be the best QB in the draft especially w having no one left to throw to.

sanders had the best WR in football by award and still got owned. if anything, playing in that game hurt him more than helped him while cam lighting it up in a more popular bowl (thank you to pop tarts marketing bc you killed it) entrenched him as the first qb taken
 
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poncho0091 said:
Anyone else got a bad taste that Mario didn't outright defend Cam in this scenario? I don't care what the reason was, even if he only played the half to break the record. A good coach defends his guys. There were plenty of statements he could have made:

- seeing what our remaining players looks like
-it was agreed before the game he'd only get a half
-praise that he even played at all

His non-statement is not only a bad look for Cam, but for Miami as well and just adds to all the asshats already looking for a reason to trash Miami. This was a huge negative to me and makes me wonder what his relationship is like with the locker room.
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Even if it wasn’t Mario’s call or he didn’t find out until half-time, he needs to fall on the sword there, period.

That’s what a college HC is supposed to do for his players. PERIOD. END. STOP!!
 
Canestomp said:
I think those conversations are already beginning in some circles. I want to pause and make a clear distinction between "defending" someone and "taking cover" for someone.

"Defending" in this context implies explaining or advocating support/justification of a decision be it reasoning or principles because you believe it is right/reasonable. Implies accountability and rational argument.

"Taking Cover" in this context is meant to protect someone from blame or shielding from criticism often without necessarily agreeing with the decision. Implies dishonesty and avoidance of accountability.

Obviously if Ward had decided to exit the game, the coach can--but should not be obligated to--take cover for the decision that another man makes. This is standard "Bro Code", "Man-Code" whatever you want to call it; a man is responsible for himself and his decisions.

If we were playing SimCoach2000, there is no way any of us are pulling our Heisman candidate QB for Temu Anthony Colandrea; which leads me to believe this wasn't Cristobal/Shannon's decision. What everyone really wants is for CMC to walk up to that podium and "take cover" for Cam Ward's decision that he himself disagrees with and I just don't see why anyone should have to do that.

I understand your sentiments about future QBs and their relationships with their coaches and the investment into the teams they play for, but it seems there is a new law governing the landscape taking form and up-and-coming athletes need to be aware that their being paid comes at a price.
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theyre being paid for their marketability not by the school to play football.
 
CANESCANES said:
If Mario had a choice, he would of played Cam the entire game, he didn’t want to have to play Emory
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Mario isnt smart either but of course. Mario doesn't care if cam tears up his knee in the second half. George left half way. Martinez sat out the fourth. they were saying their goodbyes in the third quarter

y'all forget Lamar miller housed a run against BC and chilled after that bc he was declaring. this has gone on forever. these bowls dont matter. you old people need to get over it.

if it isnt a playoff game, its a glorified preseason game.
 
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hoops156 said:
cam strengthened his case to be the best QB in the draft especially w having no one left to throw to.

sanders had the best WR in football by award and still got owned. if anything, playing in that game hurt him more than helped him while cam lighting it up in a more popular bowl (thank you to pop tarts marketing bc you killed it) entrenched him as the first qb taken
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I would like him in Tennessee. So I can go to games
 
hoops156 said:
Mario isnt smart either but of course. Mario doesn't care if cam tears up his knee in the second half. George left half way. Martinez sat out the fourth. they were saying their goodbyes in the third quarter

y'all forget Lamar miller housed a run against BC and chilled after that bc he was declaring. this has gone on forever. these bowls dont matter. you old people need to get over it.

if it isnt a playoff game, its a glorified preseason game.
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Correct. Why is noone saying anything about those players? I don't hear this level of criticism when Nabers did it last year.
 
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poncho0091 said:
Correct. Why is noone saying anything about those players? I don't hear this level of criticism when Nabers did it last year.
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they were throwing kids their gloves and stuff during the game and hanging out on the sidelines. this is just stupid. just bored ***** on social media. if cam came in and struggled, people wouldn't give a single ****. its bc he lit it up and emory is a trash can. the best thing happened for the fanbase bc we saw emory and we saw elite qb play in a single game. now we know, emory is done.
 
Canestomp said:
Most people agree, either this was:
Scenario 1: Mario preplanned that it would be Ward for 1st half, Williams for 2nd half; or Mario preplanned that Ward would attain record and exit the game and Williams would take over; or Mario and Cam both came to an agreement for this arrangement.

Scenario 2: Mario called an audible and yanked Ward out of the game and played for 2025.

Scenario 3: Ward called an audible and took himself out of the game to secure a high draft pick.

Mario's post-game comments: "I think all meetings with players and decisions like that, we make them in private, and we keep them in private," Cristobal said. "So I'll prefer not to answer questions as it relates to that. I know he played his best while he was in there."

Why did he use the pronouns "We" instead of "I"? He would likely use "I" if it was solely his decision to make; but I am reading this as it was Cam who made the call. He probably didn't really want to play this game (don't blame him--Ahem, Guidry's stank *** defense!) and made a compromise with staff that he would play the first half and leave it up to everyone else to decide the outcome of the game. In reality, he did us a solid by exposing the awful QB room we have.

So this gets back to Cam, who in a technical sense a pro money-making athlete, making a decision. Assume for a moment that he (Ward) made the call to exit the game. At what point to we stop hanging the yoke around Coaches neck and make him carry the load of these athletes and their decisions? These are tough discussions and a generational change in the mindset and the way we view student-athletes. NIL has wrought havoc for many different reasons and this pleasant discussion is a byproduct of this era. We probably need to have an honest spectators' discussion on what constitutes an unpaid athlete on scholarship and a paid athlete making NFL salaries. I feel less sorry for college athletes today who get criticized. I have completely stopped using the moniker "kid" when addressing them. I just think that once you go from unpaid to paid, there is a certain weight you now have to carry with you and the protections and the benefit of doubt you get that former players have enjoyed is now lost.
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Guys - everything starts and ends with the head coach.

Mario allowed it to happen one way or another.
 
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