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JHallCanes said:
I know you’re gonna get a lot of **** for this one but also I wasn’t a fan of the hire BUT the big picture stuff was we finally got some people mobilized to rebuild the foundation of the program

That was the bigger thing hopefully for the future I said at least Mario would have a plan and be allowed to work it. Not sure if it plays out how we hope or not

But one reason I was against Lane. We would have been a much better team in 2022 and 2023 (just my opinion) but he’s not a guy you bring in if you want long term changes

But I also wanted Freeze so what the **** do I know
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I was probably the most vocal Freeze supporter on the board.

Being 100% honest, his on-field product so far has been **** at Auburn.

At the same time, his classes have been very good, and I expect that you'll start to see the fruit of that next season.

If they aren't substantially improved next year, then I'll probably have to say I was just flat out wrong about The Iceman's ability to get results.
 
Brains said:
I was probably the most vocal Freeze supporter on the board.

Being 100% honest, his on-field product so far has been **** at Auburn.

At the same time, his classes have been very good, and I expect that you'll start to see the fruit of that next season.

If they aren't substantially improved next year, then I'll probably have to say I was just flat out wrong about The Iceman's ability to get results.
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I’m with ya there. It’s weirdly close to our situation honestly. I’ve always loved his offenses and his recruiting but to be fair I never imagined a team coached my Cristobal would have the best offense in the country either
 
So far, Mario has kind of done what most of us expected right?

Years 1 and 2 were major disappointments but this year is kind of a reflection of who he is/what we should expect from him.

The MOST discernible advantage he brings is the commitment to resources. I don't think a single other coach in the country would have created the buy in/commitment that Mario brought.

But of course, he'll do less with more. That's what everybody expected. Nobody expected him to show up on gameday and out coach superior coaches (or even average coaches). We expected him to stack the roster and out talent everybody.

We HOPED he'd hire coordinators who can out coach others and then he'd get out of the way. Seems like he's done that on offense but not on D (at least the hiring part).

He's adapted in some ways (like his giving up on bro ball this year). Let's see if he continues to.
 
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JHallCanes said:
I know you’re gonna get a lot of **** for this one but also I wasn’t a fan of the hire BUT the big picture stuff was we finally got some people mobilized to rebuild the foundation of the program

That was the bigger thing hopefully for the future I said at least Mario would have a plan and be allowed to work it. Not sure if it plays out how we hope or not

But one reason I was against Lane. We would have been a much better team in 2022 and 2023 (just my opinion) but he’s not a guy you bring in if you want long term changes

But I also wanted Freeze so what the **** do I know
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I agree with you. Mario does have his limitations, but he’s also shown growth and adaptability in ways few expected, which gives me hope.

If you had told anyone Miami would lead the country in offense and have the best passing attack under Mario, they’d have called you crazy. Yet here we are.

• He stayed out of play-calling for most of the season, and maybe even to a fault in the Syracuse game, where we were running the ball at will but kept airing it out. On the flip side, some would’ve criticized if he went conservative after going up 21.

• He remains an excellent recruiter in my opinion. His persistence with Cam, for example, paid off and made this season special. NIL and conference affiliation are reshaping the recruiting, and I trust Mario to adapt.

Objectively, we should be in the playoffs. The defense has its issues, but that’s a separate conversation.

• The offensive line is set for years.
• As you mentioned, he’s done a great job rallying support from the right people with money and the culture around the program is night and day from the prior regimes.


Yes, he still has flaws, but Lane Kiffin and Hugh Freeze have underwhelmed too. I’m optimistic about next year because we’ve got the pieces on offense to be elite again. The defense needs work, and we definitely need a new DC. But Mario is here for the long haul and has shown a willingness to adapt, whether people like it or not, so let’s see how he builds from here.
 
Sabetta said:
I agree with you. Mario does have his limitations, but he’s also shown growth and adaptability in ways few expected, which gives me hope.

If you had told anyone Miami would lead the country in offense and have the best passing attack under Mario, they’d have called you crazy. Yet here we are.

• He stayed out of play-calling for most of the season, and maybe even to a fault in the Syracuse game, where we were running the ball at will but kept airing it out. On the flip side, some would’ve criticized if he went conservative after going up 21.

• He remains an excellent recruiter in my opinion. His persistence with Cam, for example, paid off and made this season special. NIL and conference affiliation are reshaping the recruiting, and I trust Mario to adapt.

Objectively, we should be in the playoffs. The defense has its issues, but that’s a separate conversation.

• The offensive line is set for years.
• As you mentioned, he’s done a great job rallying support from the right people with money.

Yes, he still has flaws, but Lane Kiffin and Hugh Freeze have underwhelmed too. I’m optimistic about next year because we’ve got the pieces on offense to be elite again. The defense needs work, and we definitely need a new DC. But Mario is here for the long haul and has shown a willingness to adapt, whether people like it or not, so let’s see how he builds from here.
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You get a lot of **** from people when you say things like this and they go “YOU LOWERED YOUR EXPECTATIONS!”

And pound the table like Miami in the early 2000s wasn’t some complete anomaly that will never happen here again

It’s like yeah I lowered my expectations. 20 years will do that. It’s been nothing but half assed band aids for two decades. I’m an infrastructure guy and we are much much further along there. Watching college football since NIL became a thing we could have easily been left behind

But this is obviously another huge offseason for the team. Everyone is getting pillaged in the portal and we chose to take a step back in recruiting to attack the portal. Dangerous game but I am cautiously optimistic
 
JHallCanes said:
I know you’re gonna get a lot of **** for this one but also I wasn’t a fan of the hire BUT the big picture stuff was we finally got some people mobilized to rebuild the foundation of the program

That was the bigger thing hopefully for the future I said at least Mario would have a plan and be allowed to work it. Not sure if it plays out how we hope or not

But one reason I was against Lane. We would have been a much better team in 2022 and 2023 (just my opinion) but he’s not a guy you bring in if you want long term changes

But I also wanted Freeze so what the **** do I know
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It’s not entirely fair to criticize coaching recommendations from two years ago, as they were largely based on commodities at the time. For some reason, people seem to overlook the unique challenges of coaching at Miami. It’s a different animal—there are significant obstacles stemming from years of neglect to the program. That makes it hard to predict how any coach would perform here compared to other jobs.

Maybe I’m just worn down from watching the program take so much abuse, but I’m genuinely glad to see a concerted effort with real financial buy in. After Manny was hired, I honestly thought that was the final nail in the coffin, and we’d be stuck as a Wake Forest-type program in the ACC.

I like Lane Kiffin a lot, but there’s no way he would’ve had the same resources Mario now has. For better or worse, I’m rooting for Mario because of the support and buy in he’s getting from the higher ups.

That said, all criticism of Mario is warranted. My fear is that if this experiment doesn’t work out, we’ll end up right back where we started hiring a “Houston Nutt” type of coach with a $2 million salary pool for him and his assistants.
 
There is no perfect coach.

Look at Deboer at Alabama. Many considered him an offensive genius. Then he comes to Alabama with a huge talent advantage.

And lays eggs vs Vanderbilt and only scored THREE points vs Oklahoma? They underperformed in that game by 5 TDs. Favored by 2 TDs and lost by 3 TDs.

Chip Kelly..offensive genius. 10 points against Michigan with the most expensive roster in CFB. Missed out on B10 championship because of it.

Every coach has flaws and has games where their players don't perform like they're expected.

I don't think Mario is the best coach in the country but I think he gives us our best chance at competing constantly l consistently because nobody else would get the financial commitment he's getting.
 
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OptimusCreampie said:
It’s not entirely fair to criticize coaching recommendations from two years ago, as they were largely based on commodities at the time. For some reason, people seem to overlook the unique challenges of coaching at Miami. It’s a different animal—there are significant obstacles stemming from years of neglect to the program. That makes it hard to predict how any coach would perform here compared to other jobs.

Maybe I’m just worn down from watching the program take so much abuse, but I’m genuinely glad to see a concerted effort with real financial buy in. After Manny was hired, I honestly thought that was the final nail in the coffin, and we’d be stuck as a Wake Forest-type program in the ACC.

I like Lane Kiffin a lot, but there’s no way he would’ve had the same resources Mario now has. For better or worse, I’m rooting for Mario because of the support and buy in he’s getting from the higher ups.

That said, all criticism of Mario is warranted. My fear is that if this experiment doesn’t work out, we’ll end up right back where we started hiring a “Houston Nutt” type of coach with a $2 million salary pool for him and his assistants.
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2 questions:
Do you think he’s grown at all?
Do you think we should be in the playoffs?
 
OptimusCreampie said:
It’s not entirely fair to criticize coaching recommendations from two years ago, as they were largely based on commodities at the time. For some reason, people seem to overlook the unique challenges of coaching at Miami. It’s a different animal—there are significant obstacles stemming from years of neglect to the program. That makes it hard to predict how any coach would perform here compared to other jobs.

Maybe I’m just worn down from watching the program take so much abuse, but I’m genuinely glad to see a concerted effort with real financial buy in. After Manny was hired, I honestly thought that was the final nail in the coffin, and we’d be stuck as a Wake Forest-type program in the ACC.

I like Lane Kiffin a lot, but there’s no way he would’ve had the same resources Mario now has. For better or worse, I’m rooting for Mario because of the support and buy in he’s getting from the higher ups.

That said, all criticism of Mario is warranted. My fear is that if this experiment doesn’t work out, we’ll end up right back where we started hiring a “Houston Nutt” type of coach with a $2 million salary pool for him and his assistants.
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We talk about Manny a lot but it’s a good example of the embarrassing dysfunction we were just a few years ago

It certainly wasn’t Mannys fault that he got this job way before he was qualified. The man is obviously a competent coach but when Richt retired and we literally **** ourselves and went a bought out Diaz I gave up all hope this program would ever be serious again

It was the stupidest most amateurish **** I’ve seen in a long list of stupid amateurish ****

So the pivot we made when we hired Mario was a huge positive as sad as that is, even if Mario wasn’t necessarily my choice
 
Dillingham in Year 2 crippled by sanctions, took a 3-win team to the Big12 title game.

Lanning in Year 2, PAC-12 title game. Year 3, undefeated and in the Big10 title game.

Rhett in Year 2, new conference, ACC title game.

But it takes time to to build a program. Sushwhsixsijx HARBAUGH dhdhusjejejx or something like that.
 
Yoyo82 said:
There is no perfect coach.

Look at Deboer at Alabama. Many considered him an offensive genius. Then he comes to Alabama with a huge talent advantage.

And lays eggs vs Vanderbilt and only scored THREE points vs Oklahoma? They underperformed in that game by 5 TDs. Favored by 2 TDs and lost by 3 TDs.

Chip Kelly..offensive genius. 10 points against Michigan with the most expensive roster in CFB. Missed out on B10 championship because of it.

Every coach has flaws and has games where their players don't perform like they're expected.

I don't think Mario is the best coach in the country but I think he gives us our best chance at competing constantly l consistently because nobody else would get the financial commitment he's getting.
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difference and the reason why people should want Mario to succeed is he offers something none of them do. This is his home. he wants to be hear until the die he dies. I like lanning but id be shock he he didnt leave at some point, maybe even for the NFL. Mario wants to be a lifer.
 
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JHallCanes said:
We talk about Manny a lot but it’s a good example of the embarrassing dysfunction we were just a few years ago

It certainly wasn’t Mannys fault that he got this job way before he was qualified. The man is obviously a competent coach but when Richt retired and we literally **** ourselves and went a bought out Diaz I gave up all hope this program would ever be serious again

It was the stupidest most amateurish **** I’ve seen in a long list of stupid amateurish ****

So the pivot we made when we hired Mario was a huge positive as sad as that is, even if Mario wasn’t necessarily my choice
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My post is the first at the top of his official hire thread I really thought it was the nail in the coffin.

If my dream job opened up and I’m not qualified I would take it in a heartbeat and fake it until I make it.

Just the most Miami thing to do when richt gives you a golden opportunity declining the remainder of his egregious extension. For us in 17 business hours do a 180 and hire manny from temple.
 
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I truly believe Mario’s heart and soul is in the rebuild of the U and making the U elite. Having the tools in the present world of college football is another thing. This years team despite the 10 wins was just one player from being an ACC bottom feeder.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Dillingham in Year 2 crippled by sanctions, took a 3-win team to the Big12 title game.

Lanning in Year 2, PAC-12 title game. Year 3, undefeated and in the Big10 title game.

Rhett in Year 2, new conference, ACC title game.

But it takes time to to build a program. Sushwhsixsijx HARBAUGH dhdhusjejejx or something like that.
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Good coaches, like the ones you mentioned, will elevate the play of their team by putting players in positions to succeed. Seems like Mario's teams win in spite of him and not because of him
 
nycane said:
difference and the reason why people should want Mario to succeed is he offers something none of them do. This is his home. he wants to be hear until the die he dies. I like lanning but id be shock he he didnt leave at some point, maybe even for the NFL. Mario wants to be a lifer.
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Yuck the thought of Mario for life
 
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