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Coach Macho said:
I spoke to the father of a high ranked recruit a few days ago and didn't like what I heard regarding our recruiting.

For a lack of better words it seems like amateur hour compared to the way other big programs recruit. There's a lack of detail with out recruiting.
I can't go into too much detail without exposing who the kid is, but everything he said made perfect sense. Look at our staff. Who the **** has ever recruited on a high level, at a big program?

Other schools have shown much more detail when recruiting this particular prospect, particularly Auburn, Georgia, Bama and Clemson. They had this kid's film completely broken down with notes (on paper). And they went over these notes with the recruit in person, telling them exactly what they like/dislike about their ability and where he fits into their scheme.

I'm told Miami isn't doing the little things to make kids feel wanted. And I ain't talking about bags. I won't even go there, cause I won't repeat what I was told regarding that. It's other things, man. Hospitality type ****. Even the way they facetime the kids and little stuff like that. The whole coaching staff playing catch with the prospects brothers and family members. Little things.

I was also told that their communication tailors off sometimes once they have a kid committed. (might explain some of the decommits)

This kid never felt wanted from Miami like he did from the other big time programs. And this particular kid loves The U.
That's a problem, no matter what way you slice it. Making them feel wanted/loved/etc is part of the process. That's your main **** job as a recruiter. LOL

Now I know some of you are gonna argue this, mostly cause you don't wanna hear it. But that's the point-of-view from someone who's involved in the process. It's a non-bias opinion from someone who has interacted with dozens of football staffs.
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This is why we must keep building out the off the field staff. We've greatly expanded the department's horsepower this off season, but are still far behind many other programs.

I don't see a lack of effort or strategy in your post, I see a lack of resources.
 
brcane1 said:
This is why we must keep building out the off the field staff. We've greatly expanded the department's horsepower this off season, but are still far behind many other programs.

I don't see a lack of effort or strategy in your post, I see a lack of resources.
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When I read stuff like what Macho posted, I have two thoughts.

1) no doubt that our recruiting infrastructure pales in comparison to the big boys. They have entire staffs dedicated to social media, etc. and we have a handful of folks, probably (not even mentioning the money). I'm not sure that hiring a Seider or a Trooper would make up for this fact.

2) bags. I know Macho doesn't want to go there but realistically, most of these top notch kids are getting bag offers from the big boys. My guess is that they know they're not getting commensurate bags from Miami so they're looking for miami to up the ante in other ways (more attentive to them in general, social media whores, whatever). Miami may or may not be as attentive as other schools in this regard and I'm not quite sure that's by design or not.
 
AUcane said:
When I read stuff like what Macho posted, I have two thoughts.

1) no doubt that our recruiting infrastructure pales in comparison to the big boys. They have entire staffs dedicated to social media, etc. and we have a handful of folks, probably (not even mentioning the money). I'm not sure that hiring a Seider or a Trooper would make up for this fact.

2) bags. I know Macho doesn't want to go there but realistically, most of these top notch kids are getting bag offers from the big boys. My guess is that they know they're not getting commensurate bags from Miami so they're looking for miami to up the ante in other ways (more attentive to them in general, social media whores, whatever). Miami may or may not be as attentive as other schools in this regard and I'm not quite sure that's by design or not.
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The problem with the bag argument is assuming kids get smaller or no bags in Dade county. I think that is willfull ignorance. We don't know.
 
Coach Macho said:
I spoke to the father of a high ranked recruit a few days ago and didn't like what I heard regarding our recruiting.

For a lack of better words it seems like amateur hour compared to the way other big programs recruit. There's a lack of detail with out recruiting.
I can't go into too much detail without exposing who the kid is, but everything he said made perfect sense. Look at our staff. Who the **** has ever recruited on a high level, at a big program?

Other schools have shown much more detail when recruiting this particular prospect, particularly Auburn, Georgia, Bama and Clemson. They had this kid's film completely broken down with notes (on paper). And they went over these notes with the recruit in person, telling them exactly what they like/dislike about their ability and where he fits into their scheme.

I'm told Miami isn't doing the little things to make kids feel wanted. And I ain't talking about bags. I won't even go there, cause I won't repeat what I was told regarding that. It's other things, man. Hospitality type ****. Even the way they facetime the kids and little stuff like that. The whole coaching staff playing catch with the prospects brothers and family members. Little things.

I was also told that their communication tailors off sometimes once they have a kid committed. (might explain some of the decommits)

This kid never felt wanted from Miami like he did from the other big time programs. And this particular kid loves The U.
That's a problem, no matter what way you slice it. Making them feel wanted/loved/etc is part of the process. That's your main **** job as a recruiter. LOL

Now I know some of you are gonna argue this, mostly cause you don't wanna hear it. But that's the point-of-view from someone who's involved in the process. It's a non-bias opinion from someone who has interacted with dozens of football staffs.
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First off, I appreciate all of the info you bring. Maybe we just didn't want this kid for whatever reason regardless of if he is wanted by every program in the country. What you are saying just doesn't add up given the recent run of commits we are getting and also confirmed by @Elijah's Biggest Fan. We have a top 10 class in the country and still have room to add more blue chip guys. This info just doesn't jive with what we are seeing and hearing from recruits, especially recently. That being said I have no doubt, nor is it surprising, that we are behind the big dogs in terms of recruiting. Manny is a first time head coach and the staff has some inexperience. They are going to continue growing. I don't think any of us expect them to be Saban, Meyer, Dabo already.
 
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The problem with the bag argument is assuming kids get smaller or no bags in Dade county. I think that is willfull ignorance. We don't know.
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Who makes that assumption? Not me. I'm sure the opposite is true. I'm sure these kids are getting big time bags offers.
 
King Slayer said:
I know we want guys that want to be canes, 5* hearts, lunch pails and no divas. I heard it all during the Golden years. Manny has been recruiting at power 5 schools for at least 8 years not counting NC State since it was before recruiting really started ranking. In those 8 years he has been the primary recruiter and landed only 2 4* recruits and 1 5* recruit. I know if we win they will come but even when we won 10 games Manny "El Jeffe" Diaz landed 0 4* recruits. The guy talks a good game but recruits don't seem to buy it or he hates recruiting. Kirby and Riley were known as great defensive/offensives mind but they could also recruit. All the top coaches Saban, Kirby, Lincoln Riley, Dabo, Pete Carroll, Jimbo etc could recruit but this guy can't. Name a head coach that sucked at recruiting but magically became better later. I know bags, cars, and bagmen etc but you don't win championships with 3* recruits with 5* hearts.

Coach at Texas, Miss State and Miami , and only land 3 4* recruits you entire career. I know he is a "savage" because he let go of a staff that had **** offense, real "savage".

https://247sports.com/Coach/Manny-Diaz-295/AllTimeRecruits/

Update: He landed 1 5star and 2 4stars.
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These are the responses you expected when you crafted this thread, no?

What you have is a fanbase full of hope, optimism....desperation in many cases.

REALITY is that the playing field is not even, the NCAA and the $EC want it that way....and unless we start playing loose and wild in recruiting like Clem$on, not to mention find the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to do so via boosters, winning can only temporarily change that. That will not happen for a myriad of reasons.

We have the "there are no bags" fans, we have the "just need to win" fans...and of course the all time pessimistic "we are done" fans.....but the truth is that if Clem$son and Alabaga stopped paying players this year for good, all of that winning would start slowing down....but before it did, the unbelievable streaks of top classes of 5 stars from all over would be the first to go.

Manny will fight..that's really all we can ask for.

UM
 
Elijah's Biggest Fan said:
I'm not totally disagreeing with you (so don't come for me) but our recruiting process with UM has been great, even after he decommitted they were still in communication with him. They have offered to break down his film and go over it with him but he just hasn't made it there to do that. There are several things that Stroud has said that helped with recruiting US (not just Elijah) that he didn't have to say and he's still in contact. ANY questions or concerns we may have are answered and addressed immediately, before, during and even now. Whenever we are on campus there is someone on staff with us the whole time. Not talking about recruiting but just showing interest in getting to know our son and us on another level but also sharing things about themselves. If they need to improve on anything it may be the consistent communication with parents. Some colleges group text us with Elijah every morning. Some sent handwritten letters addressed to us individually and also to Elijah. Make it a weekly thing if necessary. That being said they did all of that but we still ended up here because at the end of the day it's what our son wants. Also parents have to be approachable! Noone wants to talk to grumpy, complaining parents. We have to remember that we are a part of the recruiting process and can potentially push a college away. When they sign our boys for the next 3-4 years, they're also signing us. I had a coach (not from UM) Thank us for being easy to talk to. He said you wouldn't believe how hard it is to connect with parents. Yes colleges want your kid to play for them but we as parents also gotta be grateful that they are being offered a 250,000 (not sure exact amount) scholarship! That alone should humble the kids and parents!
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people are quick to come here & btch & make excuses as to why some kids don't chose to come here. truth is no matter what you do, some kids & families have their reasons & will not chose UM no matter what's done. other big programs have ppl on payroll that do nothing but write those handwritten notes to recruits. mail out multiple things daily. that's not genuine. no parent should let their kid decide their college of choice bc a school "showed more love" bc they send more letters or call more. that's not genuine IMO. focus on what the saff is showing you when you're with them.
thank you for sharing what you, your son & your family have experienced with this staff. your unique experience, going through the process committing, decommiting & then recommiting shows that you guys believe in what the university of miami can do for your son's future (on n off the field).
 
AUcane said:
When I read stuff like what Macho posted, I have two thoughts.

1) no doubt that our recruiting infrastructure pales in comparison to the big boys. They have entire staffs dedicated to social media, etc. and we have a handful of folks, probably (not even mentioning the money). I'm not sure that hiring a Seider or a Trooper would make up for this fact.

2) bags. I know Macho doesn't want to go there but realistically, most of these top notch kids are getting bag offers from the big boys. My guess is that they know they're not getting commensurate bags from Miami so they're looking for miami to up the ante in other ways (more attentive to them in general, social media whores, whatever). Miami may or may not be as attentive as other schools in this regard and I'm not quite sure that's by design or not.
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It's a **** of a lot easier for us to drop a quarter mil on an extra half dozen staffers with social media and other menial responsibilities, than to take the same money and hope its enough for the Harris'.
 
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Coach Macho said:
I spoke to the father of a high ranked recruit a few days ago and didn't like what I heard regarding our recruiting.

For a lack of better words it seems like amateur hour compared to the way other big programs recruit. There's a lack of detail with out recruiting.
I can't go into too much detail without exposing who the kid is, but everything he said made perfect sense. Look at our staff. Who the **** has ever recruited on a high level, at a big program?

Other schools have shown much more detail when recruiting this particular prospect, particularly Auburn, Georgia, Bama and Clemson. They had this kid's film completely broken down with notes (on paper). And they went over these notes with the recruit in person, telling them exactly what they like/dislike about their ability and where he fits into their scheme.

I'm told Miami isn't doing the little things to make kids feel wanted. And I ain't talking about bags. I won't even go there, cause I won't repeat what I was told regarding that. It's other things, man. Hospitality type ****. Even the way they facetime the kids and little stuff like that. The whole coaching staff playing catch with the prospects brothers and family members. Little things.

I was also told that their communication tailors off sometimes once they have a kid committed. (might explain some of the decommits)

This kid never felt wanted from Miami like he did from the other big time programs. And this particular kid loves The U.
That's a problem, no matter what way you slice it. Making them feel wanted/loved/etc is part of the process. That's your main **** job as a recruiter. LOL

Now I know some of you are gonna argue this, mostly cause you don't wanna hear it. But that's the point-of-view from someone who's involved in the process. It's a non-bias opinion from someone who has interacted with dozens of football staffs.
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Thanks for the insight, Macho.

People don’t want to hear this because they think we can recruit at a high level on name alone.

That thinking got us in this mess.

We can’t get them all and the extra benefits make Miami’s job more difficult no doubt.

Still, what you are saying are EXACTLY things I have suspected with some of the weird things happening in recruiting.

From your unique perspective as a high school coach, it’s good to get some details of how we can be better on the trail.
 
No one cares what excuses Harris' dad is giving out Macho. All other recruits and coaches have been saying the exact opposite ever since Richt was hired. Manny has built off of that. Poppa Harris is just using this excuse because he isn't getting the bag he wants from Miami. Same tired excuse everytime it's a recruit with bags. It was my dream school, they didn't act like they wanted me like other school, yadda yadda. Take all this with a grain of salt.
 
Elijah's Biggest Fan said:
I'm not totally disagreeing with you (so don't come for me) but our recruiting process with UM has been great, even after he decommitted they were still in communication with him. They have offered to break down his film and go over it with him but he just hasn't made it there to do that. There are several things that Stroud has said that helped with recruiting US (not just Elijah) that he didn't have to say and he's still in contact. ANY questions or concerns we may have are answered and addressed immediately, before, during and even now. Whenever we are on campus there is someone on staff with us the whole time. Not talking about recruiting but just showing interest in getting to know our son and us on another level but also sharing things about themselves. If they need to improve on anything it may be the consistent communication with parents. Some colleges group text us with Elijah every morning. Some sent handwritten letters addressed to us individually and also to Elijah. Make it a weekly thing if necessary. That being said they did all of that but we still ended up here because at the end of the day it's what our son wants. Also parents have to be approachable! Noone wants to talk to grumpy, complaining parents. We have to remember that we are a part of the recruiting process and can potentially push a college away. When they sign our boys for the next 3-4 years, they're also signing us. I had a coach (not from UM) Thank us for being easy to talk to. He said you wouldn't believe how hard it is to connect with parents. Yes colleges want your kid to play for them but we as parents also gotta be grateful that they are being offered a 250,000 (not sure exact amount) scholarship! That alone should humble the kids and parents!
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This right here.....

If a recruit wants to be at Miami then all that other "stuff" Macho wrote is irrelevant. IMO, recruits use these excuses the eliminate schools because they just don't have much interest.

Playing catch with the prospecrs brother, that offends someone? GTFOH
Face time ediquitte....GTFOH
 
Elijah's Biggest Fan said:
I'm not totally disagreeing with you (so don't come for me) but our recruiting process with UM has been great, even after he decommitted they were still in communication with him. They have offered to break down his film and go over it with him but he just hasn't made it there to do that. There are several things that Stroud has said that helped with recruiting US (not just Elijah) that he didn't have to say and he's still in contact. ANY questions or concerns we may have are answered and addressed immediately, before, during and even now. Whenever we are on campus there is someone on staff with us the whole time. Not talking about recruiting but just showing interest in getting to know our son and us on another level but also sharing things about themselves. If they need to improve on anything it may be the consistent communication with parents. Some colleges group text us with Elijah every morning. Some sent handwritten letters addressed to us individually and also to Elijah. Make it a weekly thing if necessary. That being said they did all of that but we still ended up here because at the end of the day it's what our son wants. Also parents have to be approachable! Noone wants to talk to grumpy, complaining parents. We have to remember that we are a part of the recruiting process and can potentially push a college away. When they sign our boys for the next 3-4 years, they're also signing us. I had a coach (not from UM) Thank us for being easy to talk to. He said you wouldn't believe how hard it is to connect with parents. Yes colleges want your kid to play for them but we as parents also gotta be grateful that they are being offered a 250,000 (not sure exact amount) scholarship! That alone should humble the kids and parents!
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This was very insightful. Thank you for this. Sounds like UM is on the right trajectory. I'm sure the coaching staff would love to hear your constructive feedback if it already hasn't been shared. The one thing about Manny that I am optimistic about is that he is young and appears to be willing to adapt as needed to strengthen the program. The whole attitude of " forget about the high school divas" needs to change. You got to keep trying with these kids and their families. And when they decide to de-commit or look elsewhere you need to follow up with them to wish them the best of luck wherever they end up. These small details help! This staff needs to be real, persistent, and diligent. At the end of the day, the impact you have on these kids can be significant wherever they end up. Kids can pick up on these things and parents definitely do. Look forward to watching your son play for us!
 
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Coach Macho said:
I spoke to the father of a high ranked recruit a few days ago and didn't like what I heard regarding our recruiting.

For a lack of better words it seems like amateur hour compared to the way other big programs recruit. There's a lack of detail with out recruiting.
I can't go into too much detail without exposing who the kid is, but everything he said made perfect sense. Look at our staff. Who the **** has ever recruited on a high level, at a big program?

Other schools have shown much more detail when recruiting this particular prospect, particularly Auburn, Georgia, Bama and Clemson. They had this kid's film completely broken down with notes (on paper). And they went over these notes with the recruit in person, telling them exactly what they like/dislike about their ability and where he fits into their scheme.

I'm told Miami isn't doing the little things to make kids feel wanted. And I ain't talking about bags. I won't even go there, cause I won't repeat what I was told regarding that. It's other things, man. Hospitality type ****. Even the way they facetime the kids and little stuff like that. The whole coaching staff playing catch with the prospects brothers and family members. Little things.

I was also told that their communication tailors off sometimes once they have a kid committed. (might explain some of the decommits)

This kid never felt wanted from Miami like he did from the other big time programs. And this particular kid loves The U.
That's a problem, no matter what way you slice it. Making them feel wanted/loved/etc is part of the process. That's your main **** job as a recruiter. LOL

Now I know some of you are gonna argue this, mostly cause you don't wanna hear it. But that's the point-of-view from someone who's involved in the process. It's a non-bias opinion from someone who has interacted with dozens of football staffs.
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Lol @ y'all believing what Harris's old man told corch macho
 
Oh, and Macho, the difference between our staff now and the past is that we know when to NOT waste our time with recruits, even with the "little things". This type of behavior gets you in trouble in the long run. When you cater to the 18 or 19 year old pre-madonnas, than they will want to carry that through their career.

UM is and should be done with that,
 
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Lmao @Coach Macho it's that ******* turncoat Harris and his money hungry father gtfoh spill the beans who gives a **** about exposing at this point tired of these primadonna southfla kids
 
Elijah's Biggest Fan said:
I'm not totally disagreeing with you (so don't come for me) but our recruiting process with UM has been great, even after he decommitted they were still in communication with him. They have offered to break down his film and go over it with him but he just hasn't made it there to do that. There are several things that Stroud has said that helped with recruiting US (not just Elijah) that he didn't have to say and he's still in contact. ANY questions or concerns we may have are answered and addressed immediately, before, during and even now. Whenever we are on campus there is someone on staff with us the whole time. Not talking about recruiting but just showing interest in getting to know our son and us on another level but also sharing things about themselves. If they need to improve on anything it may be the consistent communication with parents. Some colleges group text us with Elijah every morning. Some sent handwritten letters addressed to us individually and also to Elijah. Make it a weekly thing if necessary. That being said they did all of that but we still ended up here because at the end of the day it's what our son wants. Also parents have to be approachable! Noone wants to talk to grumpy, complaining parents. We have to remember that we are a part of the recruiting process and can potentially push a college away. When they sign our boys for the next 3-4 years, they're also signing us. I had a coach (not from UM) Thank us for being easy to talk to. He said you wouldn't believe how hard it is to connect with parents. Yes colleges want your kid to play for them but we as parents also gotta be grateful that they are being offered a 250,000 (not sure exact amount) scholarship! That alone should humble the kids and parents!
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Thank you. It is all approaching each recruit in a different manner that makes them comfortable, affable, and telling the compelling story of the Canes to the FAMILY.
Manny and his staff are doing that. Hence TNM.

Interest can be shown, but we do not want some grad assistan'st writing letters if the recruit is going to file 13 or not even open the letter.

By feedback, the Cane staff can feel, and know who is really interested, and who is spinning their wheels.
Approaching parents are important, but they are an added asset to the prospect through the family relationship, , and should not be a hurdle to reaching the true intent of the recruit.
I would imagine most Coaches also thank families for their time, and JJ used to sit in and have dinner with many of the future Canes, Butch also.

It is all in approach, and whether that player can fit in the Cane family model that Manny is looking for.
Great information, and we appreciate the last sentence. It shows that education has a lot of meaning to you, and that is the way it should be.
Good luck, and Go Canes.
 
King Slayer said:
I know we want guys that want to be canes, 5* hearts, lunch pails and no divas. I heard it all during the Golden years. Manny has been recruiting at power 5 schools for at least 8 years not counting NC State since it was before recruiting really started ranking. In those 8 years he has been the primary recruiter and landed only 2 4* recruits and 1 5* recruit. I know if we win they will come but even when we won 10 games Manny "El Jeffe" Diaz landed 0 4* recruits. The guy talks a good game but recruits don't seem to buy it or he hates recruiting. Kirby and Riley were known as great defensive/offensives mind but they could also recruit. All the top coaches Saban, Kirby, Lincoln Riley, Dabo, Pete Carroll, Jimbo etc could recruit but this guy can't. Name a head coach that sucked at recruiting but magically became better later. I know bags, cars, and bagmen etc but you don't win championships with 3* recruits with 5* hearts.

Coach at Texas, Miss State and Miami , and only land 3 4* recruits you entire career. I know he is a "savage" because he let go of a staff that had **** offense, real "savage".

https://247sports.com/Coach/Manny-Diaz-295/AllTimeRecruits/

Update: He landed 1 5star and 2 4stars.
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Yeah he can't recruit 5* and only 3*.in case you haven't noticed Diaz has turned a last place defensive unit with your so called 3* talent with a 5* heart into a top ten/championship caliber defense.you are either dumbest fella on earth or the biggest ugliest troll.
 
If Manny can get the whole team turned around like he's done the defense we will be ok.coker,Shannon and golden in the beginning of their stint did get a few 5&4* players who couldn't play like one.Diaz has turned a statistically last place defense into a championship caliber one.question isn't can be get highly rated recruits question is can be get players to perform like one on Saturdays.I do believe Diaz has answered that question for you.his defense's are the main reason we've won 10 games in 2017 & 7 last year.
 
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