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calinative umstudent said:
There is and should intrinsically be more loyalty to the university you're receiving your degree from than an employer where really the only transaction is pay for work. If that job was a family business, would that change how you view your example?
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College football isn't a business now? If my professional career and future earnings are dependent on what kind of coaching I'm getting, I'm treating it like a business. Whether you believe TVD is a first rounder, a mid rounder, or an UDFA, there's zero doubt that playing a season under Mario in Gattis' offense hurt his earnings potential. I'm not sure he'd want to waste another season falling completely off the NFL's radar.
 
DTP said:
Imagine you've got a job you love. You're really good at it and you get along pretty well with your co-workers. A new company buys out your old boss and the new boss brings in his own management team. Ok, no problem, right? The new boss has a really good reputation and says all the right things but the manager he puts in charge of your position is another story. Not only is the manager inept at his job, he's also a prick to deal with. The guy takes a really productive sector of the business and changes the way everyone does everything. So now not only is production way down, but morale is in the toilet too because nobody can stand that guy. Your coworkers look to you to provide some positivity but even you can't stand working under this ***-clown anymore. So naturally, you do what anyone who's not a moron does and you start to check the want ads. You get your resume in order and sign up on Indeed or some other job site. After a year of almost running your company out of business, the boss finally fires the management that had no business being there in the first place. The boss says "don't go man, we're going to bring in someone better." Do you just assume he's going to hire the right man for the job now, or do you wait to see who he's hiring and before you take your resume back off the internet?
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The only issue there is Dawson was already hired and TVD got a chance to work with him throughout spring practice when the Alabama flirtation happened. He already knew what he had.

I think he is going to have a great year, glad he stayed and have no problem with trying to negotiate the best NIL deal possible. That Gattis experiment was ugly all around, I would understand if he had negotiations or even left in the first transfer window. The timing did suck though. That was late in the game, at a certain point you need to be all in and help build you team. With the way and timing of how it went down, how could you not expect to receive some backlash?
 
Bender said:
Its okay if someone can admit that they don't like someone based on what they apparently have done to apparently **** off someone.

However, that rules out any opportunity of you to make any comment in regards to that players ability because every comment is influenced by a personal bias.

Plus, yes, a ****** offensive coordinator with a ****** scheme, ****** calls whose signals get stolen all the time with a beyond-hurt O-Line are valid reasons why a QBs accuracy is off. Happens in the NFL all the time where a QBs accuracy is dropping because the circumstances around him are failing him.
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eh, I think you can comment on a players ability if that reason for dislike is one that directly affects on field performance. Because then you literally dislike one of their abilities... It'd be like saying if you don't like a QB because he has a weak arm, you're not allowed to comment on the rest of his abilities. THat just doesn't make much sense.
Sorry but QB leadership - and there are a lot of different forms of leadership, so it's not a one size fits all good/bad - IS a major aspect of the position and affect the rest of the team and culture more than any other position. If you have a QB who is always out there working, knows his ****, has great relationship with his teammates, and is not above being disciplined like everyone else on the team, that is a powerful thing for building the right culture that we need here.

Now, does if someone feels like TVD lacks most of those qualities, that doesn't mean he can't have a great year still. Personally I find TVD lacking most of those characteristics, and ultimately I think that absolutely played a role in last seasons performance - even if it was a minor role. TVD obviously gives us our best opportunity at success, but I also think we can do a lot better (and worse).
 
Warrior808 said:
The only issue there is Dawson was already hired and TVD got a chance to work with him throughout spring practice when the Alabama flirtation happened. He already knew what he had.

I think he is going to have a great year, glad he stayed and have no problem with trying to negotiate the best NIL deal possible. That Gattis experiment was ugly all around, I would understand if he had negotiations or even left in the first transfer window. The timing did suck though. That was late in the game, at a certain point you need to be all in and help build you team. With the way and timing of how it went down, how could you not expect to receive some backlash?
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This is true. I still don't completely blame him. If Nick Saban is tampering, I'm at least listening.
 
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DTP said:
College football isn't a business now? If my professional career and future earnings are dependent on what kind of coaching I'm getting, I'm treating it like a business. Whether you believe TVD is a first rounder, a mid rounder, or an UDFA, there's zero doubt that playing a season under Mario in Gattis' offense hurt his earnings potential. I'm not sure he'd want to waste another season falling completely off the NFL's radar.
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Did you read the last sentence in my statement? Would you treat a family business differently? Sure a business is a business. There are different levels of loyalty you'll view them in though.
 
DTP said:
College football isn't a business now? If my professional career and future earnings are dependent on what kind of coaching I'm getting, I'm treating it like a business. Whether you believe TVD is a first rounder, a mid rounder, or an UDFA, there's zero doubt that playing a season under Mario in Gattis' offense hurt his earnings potential. I'm not sure he'd want to waste another season falling completely off the NFL's radar.
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and like many professions, you have short windows of opportunity to advance, in college football that is even more acute.
 
DTP said:
College football isn't a business now? If my professional career and future earnings are dependent on what kind of coaching I'm getting, I'm treating it like a business. Whether you believe TVD is a first rounder, a mid rounder, or an UDFA, there's zero doubt that playing a season under Mario in Gattis' offense hurt his earnings potential. I'm not sure he'd want to waste another season falling completely off the NFL's radar.
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Who are you to question the boss running the company out of business? Mope.

I completely understand your analogy, and would have driven TVD to Bama myself.

1. Because he should have gone there and
2. Because we should have moved on from him

But I would have driven him in December, not May. This scenario assumes I would have hired an OC in December too…
 
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skyman said:
Are you serious?! That was the whole discussion all last offseason.. Yall are WILD
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There was a whole discussion that Caleb Williams wasn't better than TVD? Was there also discussions he was better than Bryce Young too? lol
Same way people try to use "CIS Insiders", attributing the opinion that this board through TVD > Williams is kinda ridiculous. I guarantee that wasn't even close to the majority opinion - especially not that he'd have a better season under Gattis than Williams would have under Riley...

Maybe there were some people saying it, and I just missed it though. Don't think it was a widespread view though.
 
calinative umstudent said:
There was a whole discussion that Caleb Williams wasn't better than TVD? Was there also discussions he was better than Bryce Young too? lol
Same way people try to use "CIS Insiders", attributing the opinion that this board through TVD > Williams is kinda ridiculous. I guarantee that wasn't even close to the majority opinion - especially not that he'd have a better season under Gattis than Williams would have under Riley...

Maybe there were some people saying it, and I just missed it though. Don't think it was a widespread view though.
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I thought u were just being goofy but u really believe the crap you talking.. There were multiple threads, not even saying its a bad thing or tryna call anybody out but the many were saying Williams was overhyped. There were multiple threads but I will link the mega thread when he first announced he was transferring and it was rumored he was coming here with Brady.. Im sure the goal post will be moved but whatever..


www.canesinsight.com

Caleb f-ing Williams to the portal??

Nope. They got a 5 star Texas Prodigy coming in. I have no idea where he'll go but you always take the transfer. Because this new free agency has created madness. It's almost safer to have a transfer QB who you know won't bounce again than a 5* unproven QB who most likely will transfer at...
www.canesinsight.com www.canesinsight.com
 
calinative umstudent said:
It'd be like saying if you don't like a QB because he has a weak arm, you're not allowed to comment on the rest of his abilities.
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No, the entire point of the statement was that personal feelings about a players character negatively influence evaluations that are happening on the field.

If you say he has a weak arm, we can go on the tape and check it. If you say he is slow, okay, we all see that. If you say "I hate him because he did x" and then go "Yeah he is not that good, he has this and this", its quite obvious you let your feelings get into your eval.

TVD could have been better but his surroundings were so unspeakably terrible, along with him being hurt, makes it ridiculous to suggest he cant come back to his 2021 level.
 
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skyman said:
I thought u were just being goofy but u really believe the crap you talking.. There were multiple threads, not even saying its a bad thing or tryna call anybody out but the many were saying Williams was overhyped. There were multiple threads but I will link the mega thread when he first announced he was transferring and it was rumored he was coming here with Brady.. Im sure the goal post will be moved but whatever..


www.canesinsight.com

Caleb f-ing Williams to the portal??

Nope. They got a 5 star Texas Prodigy coming in. I have no idea where he'll go but you always take the transfer. Because this new free agency has created madness. It's almost safer to have a transfer QB who you know won't bounce again than a 5* unproven QB who most likely will transfer at...
www.canesinsight.com www.canesinsight.com
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I mean there is absolutely a difference in saying TVD is better than Caleb Williams, and discussing whether it makes any sense to actually be able to bring him in the portal at that time... TVD was going to be our starter, period. So a thread discussing whether we had a shot to get him was obviously not going to make sense.

I just skimmed through the first few pages. You're right there are some saying TVD was better. Don't think it was even close to the majority. Most were actually saying they hoped he didn't pick UGA/FSU, and just that him coming to Miami made no sense.
 
Bender said:
No, the entire point of the statement was that personal feelings about a players character negatively influence evaluations that are happening on the field.

If you say he has a weak arm, we can go on the tape and check it. If you say he is slow, okay, we all see that. If you say "I hate him because he did x" and then go "Yeah he is not that good, he has this and this", its quite obvious you let your feelings get into your eval.

TVD could have been better but his surroundings were so unspeakably terrible, along with him being hurt, makes it ridiculous to suggest he cant come back to his 2021 level.
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But If you say him doing X, Y, AND Z is an example of his poor leadership at THE most important position for said trait/characteristic, I do think it is essentially the same/similair to saying I don't like him because of his arm strength. Not like a QB because they aren't a good leader is a perfectly valid criticism, that if you tried applying to pretty much any other position, I'd be agreeing with you on.

Btw I think he will play up to his 2021 level. Outdo it if you consider it will be over the course of a full season. I'm just saying I think he clearly has sucked in a pretty major category for QB evaluation.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
There is and should intrinsically be more loyalty to the university you're receiving your degree from than an employer where really the only transaction is pay for work. If that job was a family business, would that change how you view your example?
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50% of the starting P5 QBs in 2022 were transfers my friend. TVD is entering his 4th season as a CANE! You have zero basis to criticize him because others were trying to poach him. By the way Young made nearly 3m last year while at Bama. no way in **** TVD got that to stay.
 
calinative umstudent said:
But If you say him doing X, Y, AND Z is an example of his poor leadership at THE most important position for said trait/characteristic, I do think it is essentially the same/similair to saying I don't like him because of his arm strength. Not like a QB because they aren't a good leader is a perfectly valid criticism, that if you tried applying to pretty much any other position, I'd be agreeing with you on.

Btw I think he will play up to his 2021 level. Outdo it if you consider it will be over the course of a full season. I'm just saying I think he clearly has sucked in a pretty major category for QB evaluation.
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Peopling attach his leadership skills are doing so based on how they would precieve themselves trying to lead. There are different ways. Folks think he put his head down and did not fight to win. Well just go back to 2021 games were things started poorly. VA brought them back and should have won, NC brought them back and scored 42, FSU brought them back and should have won. Did any of you see him ra ra ra on the sidelines. No. That is not who is and he does not have to have your traits be a leader.
 
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