Lu and DMoney: Thoughts on the Offense?

[DeadPoets]

Watching the replay, we had quite a few open guys on a number of plays but Morris wasn't going through his progressions

Not sure what the deal is, maybe we're more Miami 2000 than Miami 2001 and this was his Huskie game, and, if that's the case, at least we won this time.

Someone is going to have to show me this tape where Morris had a ton of time and WRs were running wide open.

Exactly. I didn't see a lot of WRs open. In fact we hardly got any separation.

Lots of hitch and stop routes. Ehhh
Not high on that. Would rather see your guys stretching the field or running drags/slants underneath.

Maybe we were saving it for Savanah St.

 

[OldhamA]

Obviously we still have an incomplete grade next to Coley's name.

The rollouts to the left for a right handed QB were baffling though. I can understand run, run, pass, punt if you're terrified of your QB turning the ball over and you're just simply trying to eat some clock.

I can't understand rolling a QB out to his weaker side, cutting down half the field.

I get the feeling we were spoiled with Jedd Fisch.

 

[jakeman1]

Every defense is going to key on stopping Johnson and force Morris to beat them. For his part, Morris needs to stop trying too hard and make the easy throws that the defense is giving him. That will open up the running game and get some flow to the offense.

 

[Bennubird]

Would love for this to become our base offense - straight ahead with an appropriate amount of play action.

I would've liked to see us attempt a more straight-ahead running attack. Anything East/West is gonna be tough against a defense like Florida's.

The best way to run the ball against a fast defense is straight downhill. I'll take my chances with our O-Line vs. their front-7 in a downhill running attack. The few times we tried it, it looked good.

 

[Coach Macho]

Would love for this to become our base offense - straight ahead with an appropriate amount of play action.

I would've liked to see us attempt a more straight-ahead running attack. Anything East/West is gonna be tough against a defense like Florida's.

The best way to run the ball against a fast defense is straight downhill. I'll take my chances with our O-Line vs. their front-7 in a downhill running attack. The few times we tried it, it looked good.

Me too man. I'm under the impression that our OL struggles the most when they're asked to be athletic. When they're simply asked to get a body-on-a-body they can maul people.

When we run zone blocking schemes we're asking our massive O-linemen to be athletic and alot of times we struggle with that. Let's just line-up and run dive, power and iso. Fvck it.

As somebody who played Linebacker in college I considered it much more difficult, or tolling I should say, to go against a downhill running attack. If you wanna try to run a finesse scheme that's fine, we'll beat your big *** linemen across their face and chase down the ball carrier. But when you run straight downhill at a defense you're really testing their manhood. Personally I loved taking on ISO and stuff like that, but in today's game so many of the LB's are speed guys and don't like to take on ISO all game. It becomes tolling, especially if you're taking on a big *** Fullbacks and getting chipped by Guards.

ISO had always been a successful play for us and I can't figure out why we don't run it more. Duke got an easy 8 yards on it against UF and we never ran it again. Against GT last year that's how Mike James scored the winning TD. Hagens leads through, Feliciano chips the 1-technique and moves onto the Linebacker, bam!

We're built for that.

 

[LuCane]

Would love for this to become our base offense - straight ahead with an appropriate amount of play action.

I would've liked to see us attempt a more straight-ahead running attack. Anything East/West is gonna be tough against a defense like Florida's.

The best way to run the ball against a fast defense is straight downhill. I'll take my chances with our O-Line vs. their front-7 in a downhill running attack. The few times we tried it, it looked good.

Me too man. I'm under the impression that our OL struggles the most when they're asked to be athletic. When they're simply asked to get a body-on-a-body they can maul people.

When we run zone blocking schemes we're asking our massive O-linemen to be athletic and alot of times we struggle with that. Let's just line-up and run dive, power and iso. Fvck it.

As somebody who played Linebacker in college I considered it much more difficult, or tolling I should say, to go against a downhill running attack. If you wanna try to run a finesse scheme that's fine, we'll beat your big *** linemen across their face and chase down the ball carrier. But when you run straight downhill at a defense you're really testing their manhood. Personally I loved taking on ISO and stuff like that, but in today's game so many of the LB's are speed guys and don't like to take on ISO all game. It becomes tolling, especially if you're taking on a big *** Fullbacks and getting chipped by Guards.

ISO had always been a successful play for us and I can't figure out why we don't run it more. Duke got an easy 8 yards on it against UF and we never ran it again. Against GT last year that's how Mike James scored the winning TD. Hagens leads through, Feliciano chips the 1-technique and moves onto the Linebacker, bam!

We're built for that.

Been screaming this from the mountain tops for a while, but the reality is we're moving further and further away from it, and likely because our RBack, as we've discussed, in other-worldly as a zone runner.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Watching the replay, we had quite a few open guys on a number of plays but Morris wasn't going through his progressions

Not sure what the deal is, maybe we're more Miami 2000 than Miami 2001 and this was his Huskie game, and, if that's the case, at least we won this time.

Someone is going to have to show me this tape where Morris had a ton of time and WRs were running wide open.

Exactly. I didn't see a lot of WRs open. In fact we hardly got any separation.

Lots of hitch and stop routes. Ehhh
Not high on that. Would rather see your guys stretching the field or running drags/slants underneath.

Maybe we were saving it for Savanah St.

You'll probably want to watch the game again

Morris didn't have a ton of time, he had enough time. And there were a few passing plays where he had a ton of time and made a bad decision. There were a handful of plays where he was immediately pressured, but not enough that he should have had happy feet or failed to go through his progressions.

 

[rsa coral gables]

on the show tonight, golden said a few interesting things. first, he said that he believes they went too conservative. the way it was phrased, he was in on it and it was his call. second, he said that morris' interception was his fault because he called/sanctioned the call or the type of play and he believes in retrospect it was the wrong call. and third, he says the next few weeks and games are an opportunity for the freshman to get some game time in preparation for the ACC schedule.

That's why I don't get why everyone is dogging Coley. Coley was calling a good game until Golden put the clamps on the offense. Since it worked out can't really complain.

something radical happened just after the end of the first quarter. it seems Golden did put the clamps on the offense. lack of confidence in morris? great confidence in the defense? certainly u***s adjusted, but the playcalling was not the same.

 

[AlexCane]

Lu or anyone else who dissected or analyzed the game a 2nd time:

How would you grade Flowers? I caught the replay last night starting late in the 2nd quarter and while I was doing several things and watching the NFL games, it seemed that he fared poorly each offensive play I watched.

On one play, UF's end used him like a sled and drove him back easily and Morris, sensing pressure, had to release ball much quicker than he wanted resulting in errant pass.

Next play - from shotgun - he whiffed on block and Duke had to chip that rusher inside leaving a second blitzer (had Flowers not whiffed on his guy, Duke would have likely chipped) with a free lane to Morris again resulting in incomplete pass.

Then, on the long Clements run that was called back, he was flagged for holding.

In the few plays I saw, he did not look good. Looked overmatched physically.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Rewatching the game:

1st pass, roll left, hit Hurns on the sideline - good spacing - taking advantage of the flats - it was 2 tight ends, 2 backs, and Hurns - quick pass, no pressure

2nd pass, hurns and dorsett, walford, hagens, duke - they lined duke up in the slot with dorsett to his right - throw the swing pass to Duke, Dorsett fails to block the safety, duke gets 3 yards - quick pass, no pressure
question on this alignment, why line up Duke next to Dorsett who isn't a very strong blocker, when the key to the play is a good block from the receiver?

3rd pass, shotgun, Walford, dorsett, hurns, waters, duke - Morris rolls left to the wide side of the field, looking for one read, the hurns hitch, which is covered, he then scrambles into the dline and stumbles over a blade of grass

4th pass, i formation, morris takes a 7 step drop and has Easley dive at his feet, but too close to do anything, has another 2 seconds before he gets there - more than enough time, checks down to Duke - slight pressure, seemingly good decision, Easely called for roughing the passer - no idea how the receivers looked down the field because they aren't in the picture
how can you say the receivers got no separation when most of the time you couldn't see what they were doing?

5th pass, goal to go, 3 tight ends, back shoulder fade to Walford, **** near intercepted for a touchdown the other way

6th pass, goal to go, flag route by Waters on the safety, first read, td, nice pass

7th pass, 2nd and 8, i formation, Morris has plenty of time, progresses to his 2nd read, a wide open Dorsett curl, sails the ball over his head

8th pass, 3rd and 8, shotgun, Gators blitz but it gets picked up, Morris attempts to throw a back shoulder fade to Dorsett who is not expecting it

9th pass, 2nd and 6, 2 tight, 2 wide, playaction waggle to the wide side, one read to wide open Dorsett, blocking was there

10th pass, 2nd and 4, shotgun, 3 wide, 1 tight, playaction bubble to the slot, one read, no gain

11th pass, 3rd and 4, shotgun, 3 wide, 1 tight, plenty of time, hit hurns on a 6 yard route in the flats

12th pass, 1st and 10, playaction TD to Dorsett, there was a free rusher, but Morris had enough time to throw it deep
through the first 12 passes, Florida got pressure on Morris once

13th pass, 3rd and 6, shotgun, crawford at rb, Gators blitz, Morris throws it to Hurns at the marker, who falls on the short side of the marker, doesn't matter because Bunche got beat by Easely and held him

14th pass, 3rd and 16, shotgun, Walford in the slot in a trips formation, 3 man rush, Morris has time but eventually decides to scramble and throws it away, Flowers called for holding this time, very iffy call

15th pass, 1st and 10, 2 wide, 2 tight, twins left (wide side), Morris playaction rollout left, throws a hitch to Hurns, incomplete - interesting to note here that Morris had a huge running lane that he passed up to throw to a covered Hurns

16th pass, 2nd and 10, I formation, playaction rollout left, Linder lead blocking, Gators playing underneath zone, Morris **** near throws a pick - receiver is covered this time, but it's hard to tell because the ball was tipped instead of properly leading the receiver, no pressure on Morris - bad decision by Morris

17th pass, 3rd and 10, shotgun, Gators bring 6, Duke whiffs on the blitz pickup, pressure, Morris makes quick, bad decision, had Walford open but no time
this is the last pass of the 1st half, so far Morris has been hurried twice out of 17 attempts - he's made a number of questionable decisions, a few good ones, some nice throws, some bad ones too

18th pass, 3rd and 14, shotgun, 4 wide, Morris has a little bit of time but Linder gets beat by Easely, which forces him up in the pocket after a pump fake, incomplete pass, Morris hit

19th pass, 3rd and 10, shotgun, 3 wide, Morris has all the time he wants, has both Walford and Hurns open on crossing routes, and **** near throws an interception trying to go deep to a covered Dorsett - bad decision

20th pass, 1st and 10, 2 tight, 2 wide, playaction waggle to the short side, powell gets a little bit of pressure, dump off to open Walford, slips a tackle, 10 yard gain

21st pass, 2nd and 16, shotgun, roll out left to wide side, no pressure, but Morris decides to run it and picks up 5 yards

22nd pass, 3rd and 11, shotgun, Morris has a little time but, for some reason, the oline lets Powell go after Henderson initially blocks him and he sacks Morris

23rd pass, 1st and 10, shotgun, Morris playaction pass to Waters at the LOS, picks up 6 yards, pressure from free defender, but was part of the play design

24th pass, 2nd and 4, shotgun, Morris playaction pass to Hurns in the slot, slips a tackle, 35 yard gain - no pressure on Morris

25th pass, 2nd and 10, shotgun, Morris playaction curl to Hurns on sideline, 7 yard pickup - no pressure

26th pass, 3rd and 3, shotgun, Morris rolls left and gets pressure when he reaches the edge of the line, incomplete pass

27th pass, 1st and 20, i formation, Morris 3 step drop to Dorsett who hasn't turn his head

28th pass, 3rd and 25, shotgun, playaction, plenty of time, overthrows an open Dorsett for an interception - I wonder if he thought Dorsett would go deep when Dorsett sat down in the zone - a deep ball would have been a bad decision

29th pass, 2nd and 12, shotgun, 4 wide, plenty of time, throws incomplete to Hurns on the sideline - hard to see the other 3 receivers on the play but Hurns was definitely covered and Morris had time to go through his progressions

30th pass, 2nd and goal from the 4, I formation, 3 tight ends (split wide), playaction, Duke open in the flat, doesn't throw it, gets pressured, heaves it up to Cleveland and gets bailed out with a PI call
this was Morris' last pass attempt of the game - overall he mostly threw the ball to his 1st read, whether he was open or not - he was pressured a few times, but it's an orange & green colored myth that he was running for his life all day long - the playcalling was iffy, the situations were tough, Morris' communication with Dorsett needs work, and his decision making needs improvement - there's no way to tell how the receivers did since we couldn't see most of the receivers most of the time

 

[theibisrules]

I disagree fincane...our WR's are elite. If the qb has literally no time to throw he will get jittery, I don't care who you are. Don't believe me, just ask Dan Marino in 1984.

Morris has plenty of time to throw, and if our WR's were elite they would be getting off of coverage.

Plenty of time to throw...really once those guys started teeing off those passing lanes were disappearing. He had HAPPY FEET in the pocket after they clamped down. Look again and see how many times he was put on the deck, then watch a Bama game and watch how many times their qb gets put on the deck.

 

[LuCane]

Lu or anyone else who dissected or analyzed the game a 2nd time:

How would you grade Flowers? I caught the replay last night starting late in the 2nd quarter and while I was doing several things and watching the NFL games, it seemed that he fared poorly each offensive play I watched.

On one play, UF's end used him like a sled and drove him back easily and Morris, sensing pressure, had to release ball much quicker than he wanted resulting in errant pass.

Next play - from shotgun - he whiffed on block and Duke had to chip that rusher inside leaving a second blitzer (had Flowers not whiffed on his guy, Duke would have likely chipped) with a free lane to Morris again resulting in incomplete pass.

Then, on the long Clements run that was called back, he was flagged for holding.

In the few plays I saw, he did not look good. Looked overmatched physically.

That wasn't holding on the Clements run.

In any case, he's struggled in space moreso than I thought he would. Doing more leaning that I had seen from his last year. I'm not an OLine guy, but some of the other guys (GoGeta, Courcy, etc.) would probably tell you he was off balance on Saturday. He actually looks a lot like a RT playing LT right now, but I think he still has time. I keyed on the OL in my second watch. It was an ugly day, obviously, but it was scary how often those 1 on 1 battles were lost. Your observations are a microcosm of the entire day. What caught me off guard was Feliciano. He had a rougher day than I thought he would.

 

[theibisrules]

gee NorthFlaCane I wonder what causes those bad throws and only watching his primary receiver? Could it be that the gatahs defense was actually penetrating our backfield literally anytime the wanted to? That's why duke had 59 yards for the entire game, and when we did crack a good play it was called back for holding, it's because they collapsed our o-line WITH EASE.

 

[bathtubgin]

Obviously we still have an incomplete grade next to Coley's name.

The rollouts to the left for a right handed QB were baffling though. I can understand run, run, pass, punt if you're terrified of your QB turning the ball over and you're just simply trying to eat some clock.

I can't understand rolling a QB out to his weaker side, cutting down half the field.

I get the feeling we were spoiled with Jedd Fisch.

People seem to forget that Fisch liked to do that roll out to the left with Morris last year too. It sucked then too.

 

[OBLIVION]

Lulz @ dudes saying that people are going to have to prove to them guys were open all day.

Get a cable provider that supplies Watch ESPN, or one that provides a DVR box, do your part.

The plays were there for Morris. Enough plays to sustain drives and not go 1 of 11 on 3rd downs.

Enough to keep the defense off the field 30 plus mins.

Enough to have scored more points, via TD, or FG.

 

[terdferguson]

1. Too many guys whiffing on blocks in the running game. Olinemen whiffing allowing dline into backfield, blowing up the play. WRs and TEs did a lot of whiffing on their blocks too which negated chances of short runs turning into big plays (on the run duke got injured, we had two wr out there and they both completely missed on their blocks!). Some of this is credit to really athletic guys on the UF d. But some of it was just lazy crappy blocking.

2. Main complaint with Coley was lack of attempts to get Duke the ball in open space. I believe that in the first quarter Duke had two receptions, one for 7 yards and one for 5 yards. No receptions after that. Those aren't huge gainers but they are positive plays that could help us pick up a first down or put us in second and manageable. Plus you never know when one of those plays will turn into a huge gainer with Duke. No receptions for the next three quarters is inexcusable especially with our offense doing nothing during that timeframe.

3. The biggest problem with our offense on saturday wasn't coley or the oline, it was Stephen Morris. After watching the replay, he left a lot of opportunities out there. There were a number of plays that were just poor throws that should have been completions. As has been noted in this thread, that was a lot of locking onto the primary and firing the ball no matter what. Lastly, he did not show enough patience in the pocket. Remember the play where Dorsett ran a go route and Morris fired the ball behind Dorsett at the sideline about 20 yards upfield? Looked like Morris thought Dorsett was going to run a deep out. Morris had zero pressure and just locked onto Dorsett the whole route and fired away even though he was blanketed. Meanwhile, back in the middle of the field, Hurns was running a deep square in. When Morris threw the ball, Hurns was just about to clear another receiver who was running an in as well. Hurns had his man beat by 5 yards with no defenders in front of him on that side of the field. Morris waits 1 second and looks to the middle of the field and it's an easy completion for 30 yards or maybe more.

There were plays like that to be had but Morris seemed rushed and uncomfortable. I know the UF dline was nasty but Morris isn't a freshman qb. The guy is a senior with a ton of playing time under his belt. At this point he needs to show more poise and the ability to go through his progressions.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

gee NorthFlaCane I wonder what causes those bad throws and only watching his primary receiver? Could it be that the gatahs defense was actually penetrating our backfield literally anytime the wanted to? That's why duke had 59 yards for the entire game, and when we did crack a good play it was called back for holding, it's because they collapsed our o-line WITH EASE.

I just rewatched every ******* pass play, he was not under pressure on every play or even close to that

 

[bathtubgin]

1. Too many guys whiffing on blocks in the running game. Olinemen whiffing allowing dline into backfield, blowing up the play. WRs and TEs did a lot of whiffing on their blocks too which negated chances of short runs turning into big plays (on the run duke got injured, we had two wr out there and they both completely missed on their blocks!). Some of this is credit to really athletic guys on the UF d. But some of it was just lazy crappy blocking.

2. Main complaint with Coley was lack of attempts to get Duke the ball in open space. I believe that in the first quarter Duke had two receptions, one for 7 yards and one for 5 yards. No receptions after that. Those aren't huge gainers but they are positive plays that could help us pick up a first down or put us in second and manageable. Plus you never know when one of those plays will turn into a huge gainer with Duke. No receptions for the next three quarters is inexcusable especially with our offense doing nothing during that timeframe.

3. The biggest problem with our offense on saturday wasn't coley or the oline, it was Stephen Morris. After watching the replay, he left a lot of opportunities out there. There were a number of plays that were just poor throws that should have been completions. As has been noted in this thread, that was a lot of locking onto the primary and firing the ball no matter what. Lastly, he did not show enough patience in the pocket. Remember the play where Dorsett ran a go route and Morris fired the ball behind Dorsett at the sideline about 20 yards upfield? Looked like Morris thought Dorsett was going to run a deep out. Morris had zero pressure and just locked onto Dorsett the whole route and fired away even though he was blanketed. Meanwhile, back in the middle of the field, Hurns was running a deep square in. When Morris threw the ball, Hurns was just about to clear another receiver who was running an in as well. Hurns had his man beat by 5 yards with no defenders in front of him on that side of the field. Morris waits 1 second and looks to the middle of the field and it's an easy completion for 30 yards or maybe more.

There were plays like that to be had but Morris seemed rushed and uncomfortable. I know the UF dline was nasty but Morris isn't a freshman qb. The guy is a senior with a ton of playing time under his belt. At this point he needs to show more poise and the ability to go through his progressions.

Does Morris ever look to the middle of the field?

 

[AlexCane]

Lu or anyone else who dissected or analyzed the game a 2nd time:

How would you grade Flowers? I caught the replay last night starting late in the 2nd quarter and while I was doing several things and watching the NFL games, it seemed that he fared poorly each offensive play I watched.

On one play, UF's end used him like a sled and drove him back easily and Morris, sensing pressure, had to release ball much quicker than he wanted resulting in errant pass.

Next play - from shotgun - he whiffed on block and Duke had to chip that rusher inside leaving a second blitzer (had Flowers not whiffed on his guy, Duke would have likely chipped) with a free lane to Morris again resulting in incomplete pass.

Then, on the long Clements run that was called back, he was flagged for holding.

In the few plays I saw, he did not look good. Looked overmatched physically.

That wasn't holding on the Clements run.

In any case, he's struggled in space moreso than I thought he would. Doing more leaning that I had seen from his last year. I'm not an OLine guy, but some of the other guys (GoGeta, Courcy, etc.) would probably tell you he was off balance on Saturday. He actually looks a lot like a RT playing LT right now, but I think he still has time. I keyed on the OL in my second watch. It was an ugly day, obviously, but it was scary how often those 1 on 1 battles were lost. Your observations are a microcosm of the entire day. What caught me off guard was Feliciano. He had a rougher day than I thought he would.

Yeah, I thought it was a questionable call as well.

 

[epsilon06]

Lu or anyone else who dissected or analyzed the game a 2nd time:

How would you grade Flowers? I caught the replay last night starting late in the 2nd quarter and while I was doing several things and watching the NFL games, it seemed that he fared poorly each offensive play I watched.

On one play, UF's end used him like a sled and drove him back easily and Morris, sensing pressure, had to release ball much quicker than he wanted resulting in errant pass.

Next play - from shotgun - he whiffed on block and Duke had to chip that rusher inside leaving a second blitzer (had Flowers not whiffed on his guy, Duke would have likely chipped) with a free lane to Morris again resulting in incomplete pass.

Then, on the long Clements run that was called back, he was flagged for holding.

In the few plays I saw, he did not look good. Looked overmatched physically.

Flowers was probably one of the few lineman that was able to handle Easley. On the BS holding call, he dominated and stopped Easley in his tracks. On that whiffed block your talking about while in shotgun, that wasn't Flowers, it was actually Bunche. On the other play, looks like he got caught off balance on a bull rush. Morris needs to learn how to step up in the pocket on plays in which an oline man takes a defender up field he tends to run to the side away from the block which makes it even worse. He needs to learn how to sit back in his pass protection, and stop leaning.

On Dukes last TD Flowers absolutely detroyed the DE. He's still our most athletic lineman though and just needs to continue his development. I noticed that our blocking schemes seem to require our lineman to cut on the backside, which he missed a few times also. I really don't know why they require that, that's probably why other teams are just jumping over them on the back side cuts, since they know its coming.