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MumbleRap said:
Redding, Harrell, Ladson are the obvious choices. I would expect someone else to transfer or change positions (Robby Washington maybe?)
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My opinion is Restrepo goes pro

Harrell and Larson definitely won't be back…Redding is the obvious portal candidate.
 
TrumpyCane said:
TrumpyCane has been impressed by Redding as a teammate

Hasn't been sulking not playing, been very supportive, first guy up to celebrate when the guys score, etc
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Ya always seemed like a great kid for sure

But there’s only 85 and we certainly aren’t recruiting like we don’t have room
 
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CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
I agree that the "was never coming" statement is probably a bridge too far, but I do understand the feeling of answeringand presenting everything that you asked of us and still getting a "no". And I understand your point too. Now I don't know the kid; his situation/businessreasons; or anything else, but I do think it's ok to question the legitimacy of our chances from the get go. It's the definitive statements that I don't engage in making.

I do understand it's his choice and he can use whatever reasoning he wants. I just hope we had a legitimate shot.
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Been reading the back and forth between you and @TheOriginalCane and I agree with your sentiments without completely disagreeing with his. That JS had "interest" and was "giving us a shot" I won't negate. But where I agree with you is, what are the details of that "shot". Sounds to me like the only way he would come here is by "impressing" him and that looks more and more like having the type of season TCU had last year versus an objective, verifiable, movement towards progress. Because the progress on both sides of the ball is there. We're a kneel away from being 6-1.Though 5-2, at this point in the season, with wins over Clemson and TAMU is something any of us would've taken in a heartbeat if told before the season started. Our Offense and Defense have been ranked in the Top 15, top 3 in the ACC, since the beginning of the year and are national leaders in certain categories.

He doesn't want to see Miami be similar to OSU. He wants Miami to be disproportionately better than OSU and that's what was going to get him to come here. Hence the moving of the goal posts.
 
E1k said:
Elite shutdown cb is great to have but it’s nowhere near as impactful as a great receiver lol this is just cope

But i do agree with our class and cb recruiting ellis could be a more important get currently
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It’s not cope we have several elite WRs already committed.

I understand stacking chips but we’ll still be fine on the field without this kid.

I agree that the off field perception of “losing” the top WR ins south Florida is a bad look again though.
 
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armandose23 said:
Been reading the back and forth between you and @TheOriginalCane and I agree with your sentiments without completely disagreeing with his. That JS had "interest" and was "giving us a shot" I won't negate. But where I agree with you is, what are the details of that "shot". Sounds to me like the only way he would come here is by "impressing" him and that looks more and more like having the type of season TCU had last year versus an objective, verifiable, movement towards progress. Because the progress on both sides of the ball is there. We're a kneel away from being 6-1.Though 5-2, at this point in the season, with wins over Clemson and TAMU is something any of us would've taken in a heartbeat if told before the season started. Our Offense and Defense have been ranked in the Top 15, top 3 in the ACC, since the beginning of the year and are national leaders in certain categories.

He doesn't want to see Miami be similar to OSU. He wants Miami to be disproportionately better than OSU and that's what was going to get him to come here. Hence the moving of the goal posts.
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This!

Our offense looks way better than OSU this year.

Some kids just don’t like Miami and that’s ok.

There is no amount of selling that can be done when there isn’t any desire present.
 
CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
When someone is constantly moving the goal posts and, seemingly, only applying conditions and expectations to one, singular program that many of his HS teammates are committed to, it's hard to think that he was ever giving us a legitimate shot. Now I am not an alarmist nor a "realist" (an often misused name utilized by pessimists), but this is looking more and more like an unwinnable expedition.
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armandose23 said:
Been reading the back and forth between you and @TheOriginalCane and I agree with your sentiments without completely disagreeing with his. That JS had "interest" and was "giving us a shot" I won't negate. But where I agree with you is, what are the details of that "shot". Sounds to me like the only way he would come here is by "impressing" him and that looks more and more like having the type of season TCU had last year versus an objective, verifiable, movement towards progress. Because the progress on both sides of the ball is there. We're a kneel away from being 6-1.Though 5-2, at this point in the season, with wins over Clemson and TAMU is something any of us would've taken in a heartbeat if told before the season started. Our Offense and Defense have been ranked in the Top 15, top 3 in the ACC, since the beginning of the year and are national leaders in certain categories.

He doesn't want to see Miami be similar to OSU. He wants Miami to be disproportionately better than OSU and that's what was going to get him to come here. Hence the moving of the goal posts.
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Probably (and no real information on this) would take all of the exceeding whatever the checkboxes they had AND the biggest NIL deal in the room by a good margin. Which, we have been pretty steadfast that we have our tiers for our evaluations and our offers and we aren't going to continually bid against ourselves.
 
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armandose23 said:
Been reading the back and forth between you and @TheOriginalCane and I agree with your sentiments without completely disagreeing with his. That JS had "interest" and was "giving us a shot" I won't negate. But where I agree with you is, what are the details of that "shot". Sounds to me like the only way he would come here is by "impressing" him and that looks more and more like having the type of season TCU had last year versus an objective, verifiable, movement towards progress. Because the progress on both sides of the ball is there. We're a kneel away from being 6-1.Though 5-2, at this point in the season, with wins over Clemson and TAMU is something any of us would've taken in a heartbeat if told before the season started. Our Offense and Defense have been ranked in the Top 15, top 3 in the ACC, since the beginning of the year and are national leaders in certain categories.

He doesn't want to see Miami be similar to OSU. He wants Miami to be disproportionately better than OSU and that's what was going to get him to come here. Hence the moving of the goal posts.
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Agreed. I don't think TOS and I are that far apart. I'm not being reactionary and saying, "we never had a chance" or any variation, but I'm also not dismissing the feeling either. At the end of the day he'll either choose us or someone else (breaking news I know). I would just hope we had a legit shot.
 
CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
Agreed. I don't think TOS and I are that far apart. I'm not being reactionary and saying, "we never had a chance" or any variation, but I'm also not dismissing the feeling either. At the end of the day he'll either choose us or someone else (breaking news I know). I would just hope we had a legit shot.
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Exactly. I don't think you're that far apart either. My point is, I don't think Miami's chance was on the same plane as everyone else's chance for JS. It's the same on the opposite end of the spectrum as Duke Johnson for example. Kid was wanted by everyone but wanted to be a Cane because that was his team and nothing was going to change his mind. It wasn't a fair playing field for the other schools involved but that's recruiting.

I think what starts to sway the situation is when we start hearing things like "They like where they're at with _______" And we tend to get a sense that things are trending a certain way and then the kid spurns the program anyways despite the objective evidence. If JS were a 2023 recruit, it would make sense, see Brandon Innis' recruitment. But what JS has "said" he wants to see from Miami is there with the exception of the GT debacle. What's fascinating to me about recruiting is trying to pitch a logical situation to a being (16-18 year old athletes) that is, typically, non-logical by default. I know I sure as **** was not logical at 17 years old.
 
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Just my opinion but this class is nowhere near good enough and we’re now almost to November.

We can talk about the excuses and reasons all we want but in the end all that matters is who shows up to greentree in the fall and right now our recruiters aren’t getting it done.

I’m sure 5-7 doesn’t help but that was a year ago, we’re 5-2 now not 5-7. I don’t think last year has anything to do with this year. If you ask me, I still think it’s NIL and people being cheap.

We need to land 5-stars, bottom line. You win championships with 5-stars. We recruited a bunch and apparently we’ve whiffed on them all at every position. Not acceptable
 
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